The Mourinho Thread

[RoyalBlues 4,050]

I like 'Moaning' one

[didierforever 7,349]

Porto are a solid team. Undefeated in the CL, not sure why people are sleeping on them.

True. I would 'freak out' in some way as well, definitely. But they're a good team though. I wonder how the Bayern fans are doing...

i did not mean to demean porto in anyway.

but no one expected porto to win and that too in the way they did last night. i was watching the psg-barca game, so just saw the goals but even that stats for bayern were underwhelming with a total of 3 shots on target. and if such a thing had happened to us, people would have come out with JOSE OUT!!!

[kellzfresh 7,229]

Where's my moaning thread??? Where do I moan now

[Special Juan 28,870]

Where's my moaning thread??? Where do I moan now

Have no fear old chap, this thread will continue in it's honor name change or not.

To be continued..........

[BlueLion. 21,491]

PSG are getting absolutely annihilated. Yes, we aren't Barcelona, but the manner in which we played in the 1st leg was terrible. Maybe if we took the game to them, we could have gotten a win. And don't even get me started on the 2nd leg. PSG aren't a great team. We made them look better than they actually were.

Tactically, it was a very poor performance by Mourinho in both legs.

In the first leg, they were the better team and I think we did very well to get a 1-1 draw, in all truth.

In the second leg, we were negative. Mourinho's tactics cost us, but you have to commend PSG. They out-Chelsea'd us. They did to us what we did to Barcelona. It can be harder playing against ten men when they are so fired up. However I maintain a more attacking display that night would have seen us through, so yes, we can criticise Mourinho here. But by the same token we have to commend him for getting his tactics spot on in 90% of matches this season. He's a major reason why we're on for a Double in a year where we haven't even actually been that good!

[Fulham Broadway 17,810]

In the first leg, they were the better team and I think we did very well to get a 1-1 draw, in all truth.

In the second leg, we were negative. Mourinho's tactics cost us, but you have to commend PSG. They out-Chelsea'd us. They did to us what we did to Barcelona. It can be harder playing against ten men when they are so fired up. However I maintain a more attacking display that night would have seen us through, so yes, we can criticise Mourinho here. But by the same token we have to commend him for getting his tactics spot on in 90% of matches this season. He's a major reason why we're on for a Double in a year where we haven't even actually been that good!

Agree with that -it bears up the old cliche that it is a mark of champions who win when not actually playing that well.

[MrBlueGuy 1,552]

Apart from Hazard no real attacking players have improved under him and this is one of my concern. He was meant to improve all of their aspects but once it is found out that they can't sastify his tracking back demanding they were sold like Mata, Kevin and Schurrle. Oscar now looks to be heading that way as well even though a couple of years ago he had the potential to be the best CAM in the world. Willian has improved but only defensively, offensively he is on and off lately but overall his Chelsea career has been more off than on.

Honestly think this is one of his main limitation and why his teams cannot have much creativity without relying on individuals like Hazard and Fabregas a few months ago. I mean do you ever see him turning someone like Kagawa/Sahin into the best player of their league for a time or make great players like Iniesta the best midfielder in the world(he has never been as good since Pep left imo). This is a bit of a dilemma for me because similar to Rodger/Pellegrini...etc he got a great strength in defensive organisation of his teams but in an attacking sense he never really looks up to it tactically without having to rely on individual brilliances. Just like Liverpool and City under Rodger and Pelle cannot defend to save their lives.

[Fernando 6,743]

In the Premier League.

Well last season they won the pl and we are this season.

So we done about the same in terms of titles in the last two seasons.

However we have improved in terms of squad.

If we do the right buys this summer we should be about good enough to win everything.

[Iggy Doonican 4,187]

The real David Luis turned up last night as we all knew he would. The one thing that's pissing me off at the moment is that a player is good at tracking back. Was Suarez good at tracking back last night? no because he's allowed to play his natural game. Case in point is Oscar this is a kid who is capable of scoring goals like the one against Juventes. Look at him now he just runs about closing the opposition down and is a shadow of his former self. It's not in any Brazilians D.N.A. to play like that especially one who on his day is as skillful as he is. The same applies to Mata it's a scandal he was let go i don't give a shit how much money we got for him and why was we sold? because he was no good at fucking tracking back. If for arguements sake say that Willian was Mata's replacement then we spent 30 million pound on someone who's good at closing down but rarely beats his man and hardly ever scores. As for selling Schurrle and buying Cuadrado i've heard people saying the jury's out on Cuadrado no it ain't the jury reached a unanimous verdict straight away he's fucking useless. Cuadrado has about as much skill and finesse as Mickey Droy wearing stilettos and should be nicknamed Dandruff because he's so easy to brush off.

[RoyalBlues 4,050]

In the first leg, they were the better team and I think we did very well to get a 1-1 draw, in all truth.

In the second leg, we were negative. Mourinho's tactics cost us, but you have to commend PSG. They out-Chelsea'd us. They did to us what we did to Barcelona. It can be harder playing against ten men when they are so fired up. However I maintain a more attacking display that night would have seen us through, so yes, we can criticise Mourinho here. But by the same token we have to commend him for getting his tactics spot on in 90% of matches this season. He's a major reason why we're on for a Double in a year where we haven't even actually been that good!

Agree with everything. We could repeat Chelsea vs PSG match ten times, and I bet we will win most of it, than them. That was one those strange night. Luiz with all his might destined to score, even before the match. Their defense is not that good though, so I'm not surprised at all, Barca could beat them comfortably.

[CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625]

The real David Luis turned up last night as we all knew he would. The one thing that's pissing me off at the moment is that a player is good at tracking back. Was Suarez good at tracking back last night? no because he's allowed to play his natural game. Case in point is Oscar this is a kid who is capable of scoring goals like the one against Juventes. Look at him now he just runs about closing the opposition down and is a shadow of his former self. It's not in any Brazilians D.N.A. to play like that especially one who on his day is as skillful as he is. The same applies to Mata it's a scandal he was let go i don't give a shit how much money we got for him and why was we sold? because he was no good at fucking tracking back. If for arguements sake say that Willian was Mata's replacement then we spent 30 million pound on someone who's good at closing down but rarely beats his man and hardly ever scores. As for selling Schurrle and buying Cuadrado i've heard people saying the jury's out on Cuadrado no it ain't the jury reached a unanimous verdict straight away he's fucking useless. Cuadrado has about as much skill and finesse as Mickey Droy wearing stilettos and should be nicknamed Dandruff because he's so easy to brush off.

That's more to do with Cesc's lack of pace and defensive presence more than Mou's gameplan.

IMO Cesc should be rotating with Oscar as a CAM and we llet RLC be primary CM to partner Matic. Then we will see just how good a number 10 Oscar is, and how well he plays when he's with Brazil.

[Blue Colored Sky 1,807]

Funny how people used to say that Pep was a tactical genius when he was in charge of Barca.

As has ever been the case, the tactics you can successfully apply depend on the players you have.

I know where are you heading.

However, can you convince me that in the next season or in 2 years time, Chelsea aren't going to retreat completely when they face good-to-top club ?

That they are going to impose their style, commit several players to go forward and generally play at least semi-open football ? Be proactive and not only reactive ? Play to their strength and not to limit themself to interrupt opponent's game ?

I don't see that assurance from you. I you want to convince me, I don't believe you.

In 2016/17 the turnover will exceed well over £400m, probably something close to €550m. That's just mindblowing amount of money. From resources like these, Chelsea have to play on the front foot, have to play offensive, have to be aggressive no matter who they play against.

Yet I still see Jose Mourinho aka "The Deadlock Master" at our helm and somehow doesn't believe it that Chelsea are going to play like this when facing top opponents.

Hope I am wrong.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

Next season, we'll play far better in the league while cautiously going for the Champions League.

We just need to figure out the type of players we need to help create when fabregas is marked and hazard is double teamed.

[iseah100 5,612]

Did we not play attacking football in 04/05? Jose can make some of the greatest ever teams if given the chance.

[Special Juan 28,870]

Did we not play attacking football in 04/05? Jose can make some of the greatest ever teams if given the chance.

We did, Duff and Robben. I have said for some time the right side is the sticking point. Willian is a square peg in a round hole, Cuadrado is neither in or out but we need to replicate what we see on other side with Hazard, or near as damn it. Willian isn't direct enough, he's a good safe guard but the shackles are very rarely off. Hazard gets the ball things happen, Willian gets the ball, it's either he slows the play down or plays it simple. I am not having a pop about him playing it simple, but he's not a threat for me. I'd sooner see Willian central behind the striker than out wide but we need someone for that right side, someone with pace and who is a huge threat. It's time we started really stretching teams and I would start with buying someone like Bale or Reus.

[Bosnian Blue 2,471]

Did we not play attacking football in 04/05? Jose can make some of the greatest ever teams if given the chance.

That football we played in 04/05 was IMO the best we ever played. Tenacity, energy, pressing, defending and attacking together, moving the ball quickly, shooting and scoring from distance, being direct and intelligent... Ah, good old times. For me it was even better than 09/10, we were by far the best team in the world.

[iseah100 5,612]

We did, Duff and Robben. I have said for some time the right side is the sticking point. Willian is a square peg in a round hole, Cuadrado is neither in or out but we need to replicate what we see on other side with Hazard, or near as damn it. Willian isn't direct enough, he's a good safe guard but the shackles are very rarely off. Hazard gets the ball things happen, Willian gets the ball, it's either he slows the play down or plays it simple. I am not having a pop about him playing it simple, but he's not a threat for me. I'd sooner see Willian central behind the striker than out wide but we need someone for that right side, someone with pace and who is a huge threat. It's time we started really stretching teams and I would start with buying someone like Bale or Reus.

That's the spot we are weakest and it's not people's priority for some reason. Someone like Reus would transform us into the best team in Europe. A pacey winger, who can create for himself and others is something every top team has on both wings. We need that, Willian isn't that. I love the guy, and he has been playing well recently, but he'd be hetter at 10 than Oscar. With the right player, which I trust Jose and the board to find, will make us play more attractive football without sacraficing results. Jose is capable of that, people act like he's made a career out of having a passive defense. He just needs the right players. A world class RW for me and a CB would be the priority for me, not a CM.

That football we played in 04/05 was IMO the best we ever played. Tenacity, energy, pressing, defending and attacking together, moving the ball quickly, shooting and scoring from distance, being direct and intelligent... Ah, good old times. For me it was even better than 09/10, we were by far the best team in the world.

Exactly. That team was something else. I firmly believe Jose can make us THAT again, he just needs the right players. I feel like we are one World Class player away from that. A CB would be nice, but with Zouma we can play a higher line, which would help us dominate games. Jose is no scrub.

[communicate 2,703]

That's the spot we are weakest and it's not people's priority for some reason. Someone like Reus would transform us into the best team in Europe. A pacey winger, who can create for himself and others is something every top team has on both wings. We need that, Willian isn't that. I love the guy, and he has been playing well recently, but he'd be hetter at 10 than Oscar. With the right player, which I trust Jose and the board to find, will make us play more attractive football without sacraficing results. Jose is capable of that, people act like he's made a career out of having a passive defense. He just needs the right players. A world class RW for me and a CB would be the priority for me, not a CM.

Exactly. That team was something else. I firmly believe Jose can make us THAT again, he just needs the right players. I feel like we are one World Class player away from that. A CB would be nice, but with Zouma we can play a higher line, which would help us dominate games. Jose is no scrub.

I want jose to be less pragmatic.

He has tendency to play ultra defensive in big games even with better player

[OhForAGreavsie 6,128]

I know where are you heading.

However, can you convince me that in the next season or in 2 years time, Chelsea aren't going to retreat completely when they face good-to-top club ?

That they are going to impose their style, commit several players to go forward and generally play at least semi-open football ? Be proactive and not only reactive ? Play to their strength and not to limit themself to interrupt opponent's game ?

I don't see that assurance from you. I you want to convince me, I don't believe you.

In 2016/17 the turnover will exceed well over £400m, probably something close to €550m. That's just mindblowing amount of money. From resources like these, Chelsea have to play on the front foot, have to play offensive, have to be aggressive no matter who they play against.

Yet I still see Jose Mourinho aka "The Deadlock Master" at our helm and somehow doesn't believe it that Chelsea are going to play like this when facing top opponents.

Hope I am wrong.

Of course I can convince you. All I need from you is to tell me how. It's a serious question. How in the world is a person who takes your outlook to be convinced about an unknowable future event, simply through the power of argument?

Of course we both know the answer to that question and you certainly knew it before you even asked me.

As for you hoping to be proved wrong, I have my doubts but I hope to be proved wrong about that.

[Blue Colored Sky 1,807]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4v6QcPoVKYw

From 10:50 to 11:25.

Mourinho’s men put on a masterclass yesterday against Roberto Di Matteo’s Schalke side, beating them 5-0 at Veltins Arena in what the Chelsea boss described as one of his sides most complete matches.

Mourinho was most impressed with his side’s mentality heading into the game, noting their focus and ambition, which he believes has led to the Blues great run of form.

“I don’t remember Chelsea playing in this way away from home. Obviously, there have been great victories away from home with me, with Roberto, even with other managers. But this was very impressive. Very complete.”

“The players are very serious… Everything they do with big focus and ambition, but at the same time with this component, which is something new in Chelsea football – this happiness, this flair, this beauty.”

“The way they are doing things, we are very happy. We are having good results and playing really, really well at this moment.”

Objective-seeking master said in the January :

"Ok guys, enough of this 'flair playing' nonsense, January on means business !"

(But seriously, he said that the club is happy playing in THIS WAY, yet IN THIS WAY Chelsea played only against decent to average oppositions. Is there even a plan to play with 'flair and happiness' for

a) more than a couple of months

b ) against good and top clubs

c) not depending on Fabregas fitness

? )