Barbara 15,149 Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 First of all, congratulations to Atletico Madrid who have been absolutely outstanding this season, tip my hat off to them and will be rooting for them in the final.Second, defensive mistakes did us in today obviously - two from Hazard not tracking back with his man twice, but in my opinion when you start 6 defenders on the pitch I don't think it's a necessity that Hazard needs to track his man back so deeply into the box. Simeone got Mourinho on that when - attacked our left lane very well knowing that Hazard's defending isn't his strongest point (he shouldn't have to be defending that deep at all to begin with but that's a different discussion all together) and they reaped the rewards. A lot of people on here were underestimating the value of an Atletico away goal or an away goal for us in the first leg but it just goes to highlight how important that away goal in the first leg could've been for us. Had we got an away goal in Madrid, even if they scored here we wouldn't have been as rattled as we were. We started panicking when they scored and because of that and the need to score a goal, we left ourselves open to Atletico's counter attacking game and they came away with a result they thoroughly deserved. Simeone definitely got one over Mou today - he beat us at our own game. Mourinho's plan unfortunately backfired today. I know Mou's hands were somehow tied in midfield especially (in consideration to how he wanted to play - with 3 in midfield) but to put Azpi there was a huge gamble that didn't work. I still can't quite fathom how he did not play Oscar who can definitely play a more withdrawn role and do a job defensively... Whilst also providing extra impetus going forward. We were set to counter with a 4-3-3 formation but didn't have the appropriate tools to do so. We should've started the game trying to put our foot down rather than letting Atletico settle. Also to sub on Eto'o played right into Simeone's hand - essentially reducing a man for us in midfield which allowed Atletico to take the initiative even more. He should've brought on Oscar instead which is what I thought he'd do but unfortunately he didn't. But then again, that's football, you can't win them all. Barring a miracle in the EPL; on to next year where we hopefully sign up the correct players in those key positions that we lack in (LB, CM and ST) and we'll give it a go again.KTBFFH.Mourinho said before the match Oscar was recovering physically and nto 100% fit and just repeated in the post-match presser that he was injured.I do agree with everything you said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 outplayed. well played ATM. they deserved the won. everything went wrong from that moment when juanfran(i think) kept the ball in play. ATM would be one of the worst teams to play against if u r chasing a game. and they proved why? this is why i NEVER wanted this tie. RM and especially bayern would have played right into our hands. still, always thought that the first goal would decide the encounter. it was simply not meant to be...schwarzer - good performance despite giving away 3 goals. left open for all 3 of them. cole - slept for the first goal. not just him but the whole defence. his positioning was weird cos he was behind JT when the cut back came in. JT - decent performacen. GC - shocker. absolute stinker. never ever looked comfortable today. cant count the times he lost the ball. iva - the fuck was he trying to go thru half the ATM team? despite azpi being in good positions. and learn to put a bloody cross in.rambo - one of his better performance. stole the ball a number of times from ATM in the first half. a couple of clearances inside the box. but over-run in the 2nd half.luiz - dont understand what he wants to do half the time. passes when he should shoot (azpi ball), shoots when he should pass (hazard one). hazard - poor performance. on such a night u need to give your fucking 200%. chase down 10-90 balls. that was his man for the first goal who put the cut back. hazard stopped covering him. same for the 3rd goal. that is not what a world class player does. he had some duties and he let the team down today. i can remember so many times schurrle and salah, covering johnson and flanagan against pool. poor, very poor.willian - good performance. that run for the goal and the fight to keep the ball in play surrounded by 3 players is what created the goal. azpi - he is azpi. what else needs to be said. nice cut back. i am sure iva would have hit a defender somehow.torres - was very good in the first half. not just goal scoring ways but held the ball brilliantly, linked up well. took on players. my motm.subs - etoo - dint understand this one. why??? we had ample time. on such night 10 minutes plus injury time is lifetime. jose pressed the panic button and it back fired. ba - decent performacnce. i wont mind him being here as a 3rd striker next season.ps - i dont care if cech is a legend. i dont care if cech is chuck fucking norris. courtois SHOULD be chelsea's no.1 gk next season. the guy is brilliant. the people who wanted him to go out on loan on a PL team should probably get their heads tested. costa is a pain in the ass. he ll be good for us. get him.pretty good analysis as usual.. think Id prefer suarez to costa tho .. still beggars can't be choosers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xPetrCechx 13,571 Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 He seems to get the ball first. Whether he went through him to get the ball isn't really that clear to be honest.still think that etoo was stupid to go like this in the box... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 The lesson is that never ever aim for a 0-0 even away from home, especially in a CL knock out tie. What other lessons are there to be learn? That is a lesson for Mourinho.The lesson for the players is that they came out not believing in themselves after HT, and that was our ultimate downfall in the end. We never got going after HT. It's an experience some haven't experienced before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Mourinho said before the match Oscar was recovering physically and nto 100% fit and just repeated in the post-match presser that he was injured.I do agree with everything you said.Yeah, I didn't know that - he could've still perhaps shifted Willian to CAM and started Schurrle who isn't shabby defensively either obviously.But it's done now, easy to say it in hindsight. We were unfortunate not to have players like Mikel or Matic today - they definitely would've helped the setup Mourinho tried to implement. Anyways, onwards and upwards. Barbara 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stingray 9,441 Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 No they're not. I don't think I've ever seen Tom overly criticize or insult one of our players. And that's besides the point which was the bashing of our players is completely uncalled for since they have already exceeded expectations by taking us so far. This is a moment to reflect and be proud of the boys, it's not a moment knee-jerk over-criticism and it certainly isn't a moment for cynical swipes at other members and starting petty arguments.Thank you Habibi CHOULO19 and The Skipper 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TorontoChelsea 4,064 Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Not really the point. The team has over-achieved simply by reaching this semifinal, so us going out tonight is not a "failure" you would pin on someone.I don't think we've overachieved at all. We got to the point where we faced a team better than us and then lost. We played Schalke, Basel, Bucharest, and Galatasaray and then PSG . The only team we faced who we weren't heavy favourites against was PSG and that was probably a 50/50 thing and we won last second on away goals . Had we faced the same quality group stage as we did last year, based on the way we played, we might not have have got out of the group and we certainly wouldn't have won it and then we would have been forced to play a quality team right away. We had one of the easiest groups (3 easy ones) and then one of easiest matchups in the round of 16 and even in the quarter-finals PSG was one of the best matchups we could have hoped for. We went about as far in the tournament as we should have gone based on the teams we played. I doubt we get as easy a route for years. Still, there's no blame to be had here. Atletico are a better team and they beat us. It isn't always someone's fault. Mohammed Seif, The Skipper and laura90 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iceman 329 Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 just came from pub. drunk, but calm about our future with Mourinhodo what you want, Joze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlueGuy 1,552 Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 That is a lesson for Mourinho.The lesson for the players is that they came out not believing in themselves after HT, and that was our ultimate downfall in the end. We never got going after HT. It's an experience some haven't experienced before. Oh right I see yep that is true but tbf it is not the nerve that got better of us but more like individual mistakes. Eto'o doesn't lacking experience, he won 3 CL with 2 different teams and he should know better than to take down a striker in the box, seeing as he probably been done the same to many time over the least 14 years. But yh I agree some young players will grow from this experience but it is not like we lack that either with Terry, Cole...etc. Overall the main reason we lost imo is simply because they are the better team, yes the better team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Partridge 1,124 Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Don't blame hazard it was his first game back. You have to take a risk with your best players because they have the ability to create or score from nothing, it just didn't work out We are a few players short of being a great team. We are a good team with a great manager that is often able to win us difficult games we maybe wouldn't win under another manager zolayes and iceman 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted April 30, 2014 Author Share Posted April 30, 2014 Shame we couldn't hold the lead till HT, if we did we would've been in the final right now IMO.Like you said, a lot of players came out very nervy after HT, which is never good.It's a learning experience for some of these though. We were taught a lesson today. Hopefully Mou and co will make sure that they've received that lesson well.Made me curious what Mourinho said at HT too. It felt like he lost it as well after the Atletico goal and seem to panic too early with that Eto'o sub. Unlike him really.Was as though Benitez gave the HT team talk!do you guys think maybe the defense missed Cech and his leadership?I don't think Schwarzer was bad, but it seems like there was no other leader there in addition to Terry. I feel like Cahill and our movement sometimes wasn't as it is with Cech there guiding them through. I don't know, maybe I'm spouting nonsense, but I'm not sure we haven't missed Petr.Kinda agree with that TBH. The back 4 and Schwarzer never looked totally comfortable when dealing with crosses. Always seem unsure who should take charge and deal with the situation and while Schwarzer has done alright for us this season, I get scared a bit every time when he gathers a shot from distance. Never seem to grab hold of it firmly and instead let it bounce a little bit in front of him. Though on the other hand, one might argue that this is what happens when we suddenly had to change the back 4 or 5 with the GK. The consistency and understanding are bound to go out of the window and will take awhile for the unit to be familiar with one another. Barbara, Blue-in-me-Veins and The Skipper 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Oh right I see yep that is true but tbf it is not the nerve that got better of us but more like individual mistakes. Eto'o doesn't lacking experience, he won 3 CL with 2 different teams and he should know better than to take down a striker in the box, seeing as he probably been done the same to many time over the least 14 years. But yh I agree some young players will grow from this experience but it is not like we lack that either with Terry, Cole...etc. Overall the main reason we lost imo is simply because they are the better team, yes the better team.Yeah I'm not disagreeing with any of that pal - and I did say that it was a lesson for some of those players (not all). Atletico were definitely the better team and definitely deserved to go through, no denying that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 I don't think we've overachieved at all. We got to the point where we faced a team better than us and then lost. We played Schalke, Basel, Bucharest, and Galatasaray and then PSG . The only team we faced who we weren't heavy favourites against was PSG and that was probably a 50/50 thing and we won last second on away goals . Had we faced the same quality group stage as we did last year, based on the way we played, we might not have have got out of the group and we certainly wouldn't have won it and then we would have been forced to play a quality team right away. We had one of the easiest groups (3 easy ones) and then one of easiest matchups in the round of 16 and even in the quarter-finals PSG was one of the best matchups we could have hoped for. We went about as far in the tournament as we should have gone based on the teams we played. I doubt we get as easy a route for years. Still, there's no blame to be had here. Atletico are a better team and they beat us. It isn't always someone's fault. I meant over-achieved with respect to the expectations at the start of the season, but I tend to agree with everything in your post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Fulham Broadway 17,317 Posted April 30, 2014 Popular Post! Share Posted April 30, 2014 Yup, like others, hold my hands up Atletico were the better team. No sour grapes here, unlike scousers on Sunday.Lessons learned i am sure and move on. I have a feeling the other Madrid would have battered us in Lisbon anyway. The Mak, GodZola, Blue-in-me-Veins and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 I don't think we've overachieved at all. We got to the point where we faced a team better than us and then lost. We played Schalke, Basel, Bucharest, and Galatasaray and then PSG . The only team we faced who we weren't heavy favourites against was PSG and that was probably a 50/50 thing and we won last second on away goals . Had we faced the same quality group stage as we did last year, based on the way we played, we might not have have got out of the group and we certainly wouldn't have won it and then we would have been forced to play a quality team right away. We had one of the easiest groups (3 easy ones) and then one of easiest matchups in the round of 16 and even in the quarter-finals PSG was one of the best matchups we could have hoped for. We went about as far in the tournament as we should have gone based on the teams we played. I doubt we get as easy a route for years. Still, there's no blame to be had here. Atletico are a better team and they beat us. It isn't always someone's fault. Yup I agree, I wouldn't say we overachieved either. We've done well though, at the start of the season I expected a top 3 finish, a deep run in the CL (quarter/semis) and just maybe one of the cups, which is exactly what we've done. TorontoChelsea 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAB 1,030 Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 I feel terrible. Congratulations to Atletico. They are better than us. It's plain and simple. Just this for now: We did everything we could. No huge blame on players or Jose. We are just not a complete team yet. See you next year CL! GodZola 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Don't blame hazard it was his first game back. You have to take a risk with your best players because they have the ability to create or score from nothing, it just didn't work outWe are a few players short of being a great team. We are a good team with a great manager that is often able to win us difficult games we maybe wouldn't win under another managerLet us all stop the blame game completely ,, One question ,, was there any Chelsea player you felt didn't give 100%. Did Jose do his best to change this .??oh that's 2 questions my answer to first NO to second YES conclusion ; hurting but not BLAMING mediator, darrus, Fulham Broadway and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Traveler 256 Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 That's it, you're dead right, Cahill will be sold off as he has been absolutely useless this season, Schwarzer never really wanted to play for Chelsea, it's a step-down in his career and he LET them score three tonight, as for the rest of the Chelsea team, well maybe we should sell them all because they gave us nothing this season. We have been a disgrace, beaten by a little Spanish team called Athletico, who just may go on to win the Spanish league as well as the European cup.Can you just not accept defeat gracefully?. On the night we were second best thats all. Leave the players alone, they played their hearts out to a man.Why you trying to misrepresent what i actually meant? I admitted Atleti were better in both matches! but you expect everyone to give the performance of their lives in these kind of match as they come once a in while!And never said Cahill was shit through out the season and must be sold! It's UCL semi-final for fucks sake 1 win and you're 1 step from lifting that damn trophy! we came this far why let it slip easily now! you expect certain players to man up and give their 100 percent 120 percent if you will. Schwarzer i accept he is really old you can not ask him to perform like Courtois but Cahill he was under performing tonight. that what's pisses me off.The 3 goal they scored wasn't down to their brilliance but our own mistakes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chels 238 Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Well that's a defeat that is very easy to digest. Often times we have been outdone by a bad call from a ref or last minute mistake. Here the best team won hands down. And we got nothing else to do but congratulate them and for us to analyse the season and fix the problems that have been a recurring theme. Stop talking sense mate. Fernando and darrus 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bababoom 4,478 Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Disappointing result, but Atletico were fantastic especially in the second half,. They can drop deep and defend as well as keep possession with ease, very balanced side. As i said i'm disappointed but we'll be back, out of all the semi's this will be the easiest to get over, we haven't lost due to a controversial decision or any other BS, we just have to hold our hands up and admit we weren't good enough. Blue-in-me-Veins, Mohammed Seif, Fulham Broadway and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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