David Luiz

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Dida was really amazing. However, he died out pretty fast..

JC was at a point fighting for top gk as well.

Not disagreeing with you (when talking about his peak), but Dida is Gremio's goalkeeper 2nd in the Brasileiro with 2 matches to go. Vargas who scored for Chile is also tehre, on loan, from Napoli.

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Its really embarrassing for Mourinho. Luiz captain for Brazil NT, playing good football, while Cahill can't even start for poor English team. Mourinho must do something quickly.

It really doesn't matter what Luiz does for Brazil. He has to be consistent for us, and when he is then he won't get dropped.

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He'll be back in the team soon enough, after that shambolic defending against WBA.

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It really doesn't matter what Luiz does for Brazil. He has to be consistent for us, and when he is then he won't get dropped.

Your argument would make sense if Cahill was consistent, which he pedantically is, consistently terrible that is...

If Luiz doesn't get in the team he'll leave in January, probably for Barca, and I wish him good luck.

As things stand he doesn't quite fit Mourinho's system, the way we have been playing deep to compensate for Terry's lack of pace/mobility. Under ABV or Rafa he was at home and Terry was like a rabbit caught in the headlights.

They're both players I like and admire, but the system that fits one doesn't suit the other. Luiz is immense for Brazil because Scolari plays an intermittent false third centre half in Luis Gustavo who seamlessly fills in when either Silva or Luiz are up the field. It works a treat, but our pivots can't even do their own jobs let alone cover for other players, meaning there's no chance we could try something similar as of now.

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He'll be back in the team soon enough, after that shambolic defending against WBA.

Agreed. If even after WBA game David doesn't get the nod, then he needs to move.

THe only question mark is Roman who's said to be a big fan of Luiz.

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Agreed. If even after WBA game David doesn't get the nod, then he needs to move.

THe only question mark is Roman who's said to be a big fan of Luiz.

I think he's got a much better chance of coming in against Basel, rather than a high pressure London derby.

Cahill really wasn't the disaster against West Brom that some people seem to want to make him out to be whereas Luiz has been dropped TWICE now for poor performances.

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I think he's got a much better chance of coming in against Basel, rather than a high pressure London derby.

Cahill really wasn't the disaster against West Brom that some people seem to want to make him out to be whereas Luiz has been dropped TWICE now for poor performances.

that's where we all disagree here: some of us think Cahill is not good enough == consistently poor.

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that's where we all disagree here: some of us think Cahill is not good enough == consistently poor.

I think a fair few people have an agenda. Personally I think he has his place, but right now he's probably a more consistent partner for JT considering Luiz's rather erratic recent form.

Luiz has the physical and technical attributes but he's put in disgraceful performances for us this season that make me question how much he values wearing the shirt. Cahill has never made me question his commitment.

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I think a fair few people have an agenda. Personally I think he has his place, but right now he's probably a more consistent partner for JT considering Luiz's rather erratic recent form.

Luiz has the physical and technical attributes but he's put in disgraceful performances for us this season that make me question how much he values wearing the shirt. Cahill has never made me question his commitment.

no not an agenda at all - as a brazil supporter I actually think he *should* move to Barca; that would be good for David, Brazil, and esp Barcelona!

As a pre-abra Chelsea supporter, I am 100% sure that Cahill is not good enough to start for ANY top club in the world. It's just his technique or there lack thereof. I couldn't care less about his commitment. Championship is filled with players who give 100%. The Irish give 110% in every match and they lose every time. Barca look like they couldn't care less (like David) because they use their great technique far more than they use their physique, but that would be the wrong impression to have.

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no not an agenda at all - as a brazil supporter I actually think he *should* move to Barca; that would be good for David AND Brazil!

As a pre-abra Chelsea supporter, I am 100% sure that Cahill is not good enough to start for ANY top club in the world. It's just his technique or there lack thereof. I couldn't care less about his commitment. Championship is filled with players who give 100%. The Irish give 110% in every match and they lose every time. Barca look like they couldn't care less (like David) because they use their technique more than they use their physique, but that would be the wrong impression to have.

Two things.

1. I think you're on your own with that commitment thing. Supporters want to see players giving a shit

2. You're so wrong about Barca it's not even funny. Their success wasn't built just on Tika-Taka but on hard fucking work. They worked their bollocks off every time they lost the ball and pressured other teams into making mistakes. Read Guardiola's book (by Balague) to see the reverence he held commitment to the cause in.

I've never seen one of their players put in a performance like the one David put in against Cardiff and I'm not alone in thinking his 'character' needs some work.

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Two things.

1. I think you're on your own with that commitment thing. Supporters want to see players giving a shit

2. You're so wrong about Barca it's not even funny. Their success wasn't built just on Tika-Taka but on hard fucking work. They worked their bollocks off every time they lost the ball and pressured other teams into making mistakes. Read Guardiola's book (by Balague) to see the reverence he held commitment to the cause in.

I've never seen one of their players put in a performance like the one David put in against Cardiff and I'm not alone in thinking his 'character' needs some work.

#1 please don't quote what I did not write. I did not say commitment is not needed, but merely that is is hardly enough.There are far more players that give 100% than players who are good enough to play for a top side. Merely based on the small number of top sides in the world.

#2 We go back to #1 - they don't win because of their amazing commitment, but their fantastic technique.

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#1 please don't quote what I did not write. I did not say commitment is not needed, but merely that is is hardly enough.There are far more players that give 100% than players who are good enough to play for a top side. Merely based on the small number of top sides in the world.

#2 We go back to #1 - they don't win because of their amazing commitment, but their fantastic technique.

1. You said you couldn't care less about his commitment. You're on your own.

2. I disagree.

Honestly, we just have different views on what we want from the men who represent this club. To me talent is such a small part of what it takes anyone to be successful. Attitude and commitment is so much more important.

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1. You said you couldn't care less about his commitment. You're on your own.

2. I disagree.

Honestly, we just have different views on what we want from the men who represent this club. To me talent is such a small part of what it takes anyone to be successful. Attitude and commitment is so much more important.

1. Yes, I said it to make a point a hyperbole as we use it so often around here. Commitment is cheap, most professional players playing at this level have enough commitment otherwise they wouldn't be there. It's a competitive sport after all. I was referring to Cahill. Whether he is committed or not makes no difference to me because his technique is not good enough at this level - not for England not for Chelsea.

2. So, you think commitment is enough? So England is not committed enough? That's why they lose?! Brazil won 5 times with the likes of Romario, Ronaldo, Ronaldimho, and Rivaldo, known to be the most committed players ever...

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http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11668/9034387/transfer-news-chelsea-defender-david-luiz-not-worried-about-future

Hopefully this means he knows Jose will still trust him again if he do well in training and not that he doesn't give a fuck anymore.

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I think a fair few people have an agenda. Personally I think he has his place, but right now he's probably a more consistent partner for JT considering Luiz's rather erratic recent form.

Luiz has the physical and technical attributes but he's put in disgraceful performances for us this season that make me question how much he values wearing the shirt. Cahill has never made me question his commitment.

His commitment has never been in question but he can never be better than a squad player, he can't play the offside trap and is easily fooled by the opposition, even Liam Ridgewell managed to spin him.

Luiz has had a couple of lazy games recently, but Drogba had his fair few of them when he looked like he wanted to be somewhere else but it doesn't stop some supporters regarding him our greatest ever player. Luiz's attitude overall has been very good for us, for me, their has been some games where he was the only person on the pitch putting the effort in, especially just after he joined when our double winning team were fell fed and putting next to no effort them-self's (and half that team are regarded as club legends).

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I think a fair few people have an agenda.

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1. Yes, I said it to make a point a hyperbole as we use it so often around here. Commitment is cheap, most professional players playing at this level have enough commitment otherwise they wouldn't be there. It's a competitive sport after all. I was referring to Cahill. Whether he is committed or not makes no difference to me because his technique is not good enough at this level - not for England not for Chelsea.

2. So, you think commitment is enough? So England is not committed enough? That's why they lose?! Brazil won 5 times with the likes of Romario, Ronaldo, Ronaldimho, and Rivaldo, known to be the most committed players ever...

I think this is just a cultural difference. Skill is important but fans in the stands love players who give their all for the cause. The best players have both.