Kevin de Bruyne

[Stingray 9,441]

At CHelsea he doesn't, it was shameful the way he defended Ramsey in that moment (minute 62). He needs to start defending with the same intensity of the other players, or he won't play at all.

I find that way too harsh calling it shameful. lol.

He locked down that midfield. you see Mikel and Mata also strolling there. Just before KDB is the one that runs to him eventually. That is just cherry picking one event (which isn't so 'shameful' as you make it out to b, really. It made Ramsey turn back and yes .... give a ball to the flank - he could have only tackled his legs from under him) and extrapolating to the entire game.

Let's agree to disagree.

[Rom2013 446]

It's not that moment, it was 30 seconds after, when Ramsey shot. For me it's really shameful the way he defended Ramsey in that moment.

[Stingray 9,441]

It's not that moment, it was 30 seconds after, when Ramsey shot. For me it's really shameful the way he defended Ramsey in that moment.

ah yes, before the shot. That was just weak defending - admitted. He let him skip past him. Shameful I wouldn't call it. Ramsey goes forward and Mikel also doesn't close down. Just stays next to the LB.

To take that argument further : a couple of seconds later KDB hunts through and pressures the back to play the ball into the stadium.

Consequence: throw-in leading to the Mata goal. So yes. It is a bit cherry picking to take one defensive action and call it Shameful really.

[Barbara 15,149]

For the record i like him and think he should play more, but we have won 8/9 and playing really, really well so that's good enough for me.

I understand that, it's the bashing of Mourinho im a bit bemused by, not so much after last night but defiantly other times.

and regarding your last point on your previous comment, we needed to close the game out and get an extra body in midfield with Ozil on, so it was out of Mata, Willian and KDB that needed to go off (unless we hauled off Eto'o and played Mata or KDB as a false 9 for the remainder), if not KDB,who out of the other two do you believe should have gone off?

that's where I stand too.

I like Kevin and I really wish to see him play here what others say he played in Werden Bremen and what I've seen him playing for Belgium.

But he's the least of my concerns when we have a team playing the way we are. He could improve us? Of course he could, fact is except for a part of that match against Hull ever since then he didn't play at that level again.

So we win 8/9 of last matches, we beat ManCity - our strongest contender imo for EPL title - and Schalke and Arsenal away and in all those matches (except a few moments against ManCity) we were in complete control of the matches, barely being threatened. Our players are working amazingly together, regardless of who is there.

So I can't say a bad word about Mourinho's selection when whoever he selects is getting the job done.

I agree he wasn't bad yesterday, but he was definitely the most average player imo. All the other 9 outfield players involved played better than him imo and guys like Essien and Bertrand who have played very little as well, played better than him by a considerable margin imo. Actually Essien and Bertrand were two of the best in the pitch imo and they don't have matches under their belts. Damnit, Bertrand was overlooked in his natural position for Azpilicueta against Schalke and then he comes and play a cup match and simply nails it.

I'm not blaming Kevin. Some players do need matches under their belt to reach form. But I can't blame Mourinho either because in all honesty, the way this team has been playing the entire month of October we haven't missed Kevin in the lineup. So how can I look to a manager and say shit about him when his team selection got the results we had and most importantly the way we played and dominated opponents?

Some people here said they aren't impressed or convinced by Schürlle or Willian. At the end of the day they're both getting things done. Whether someone else could do better than them is another story, but Willian was immense yesterday and Schürrle was fantastic for us in some matches.

I'm getting more open to the loan thing involving Kev though. I guess he's not mentally ready to deal with the situation he found himself at the moment. He seemed to feel pressured and nervous yesterday, so maybe he needs to mature a bit more, get some nerves of steel and come back. I don't want him away, I want him with us for the long haul.

But one thing must be said, the way he's been handling the situation is class. Never a bad word from his mouth and you could see he was trying, he was just feeling smashed by the pressure of proving he can be good for us. Mourinho probably can see that will in the kid.

[Rom2013 446]

Consequence: throw-in leading to the Mata goal. So yes. It is a bit cherry picking to take one defensive action and call it Shameful really.

Put here the video if you want, it was shameful that moment, was beaten and didn't care about it, Ramsey shots without any oposition. With Mourinho he won't play if he continues doing that.

That's why Schurrle plays. And KdB doesn't. I can't remember the last time I saw a Mourinho player doing something like that.

[Stingray 9,441]

Put here the video if you want, it was shameful that moment, was beaten and didn't care about it, Ramsey shots without any oposition. With Mourinho he won't play if he continues doing that.

That's why Schurrle plays. And KdB doesn't. I can't remember the last time I saw a Mourinho player doing something like that.

Plz reread my post where I said it WAS bad defending. It being 'shameful' is your moral take on the matter, a personal opinion. An opinion that is biased in the sense that a couple seconds after he goes through on what the assistant Coach Steve called a 'lost cause' ball (which he applauded in his presser), gets a throw in and boom Mata scores beautifully. You cannot take the bad without taking the good in your moral equation of a player. That is why I said you were cherry picking.

As I said, let's agree to disagree.

[hjperdeath 2,226]

Put here the video if you want, it was shameful that moment, was beaten and didn't care about it, Ramsey shots without any oposition. With Mourinho he won't play if he continues doing that.

That's why Schurrle plays. And KdB doesn't. I can't remember the last time I saw a Mourinho player doing something like that.

Schurrle also had his inefficiency in pressurizing. Remember the Everton game? Though he got back after Jose put his faith him. Mourinho played him. Didn't he?

The same goes for KDB. I'm not sure how you can call it shameful just cause of an act like that. He is thoroughly unfit, and did that in the 62nd minute. Cut him some slack and stop being so critical.

[Christacinto 137]

Basically you are telling me that KDB is a character of weak mentality?

Sorry but I rather have strong minded person.

As Ray put it:

"This is a squad of fantastic footballers like Michael Essien who hadn't taken part this year and all of a sudden he comes in at the Emirates and he's outstanding."

These are the players we need not weak minded characters!

Coño that's NOT what I was saying... needing a string of games to peek does NOT make someone a weak character,

My point was that he and Bertrand have to deal with completely different external situations: the one feels he HAS to perform

to avoid the stands and avail himself a future in Chelsea, whereas the latter knows he'll remain a bench player no matter what.

KDB was hoping to be close to a starting spot, something he would've had if Schurrle and Willian hadn't been bought. So he's

kind of a trapped animal, up against the odds and fighting for his dream (to succeed with Chelsea). Ryan KNEW exactly that

this would be his fate and can play freely, not a care in the world.

On Ray's quote; Essien is a seasoned warrior with nothing left to prove. Comparing him to someone who's having his first season

at a topclub makes even less sense than the first comparison you made. KDB has what it takes to become a legendary Chelsea player

and what I dislike about pessimists like yourself is that you're so quick to write off one of us (read: CHELSEA, not Belgium).

Still, I agree that we should loan him to a good EPL team in january.

[Fernando 6,585]

Coño that's NOT what I was saying... needing a string of games to peek does NOT make someone a weak character,

My point was that he and Bertrand have to deal with completely different external situations: the one feels he HAS to perform

to avoid the stands and avail himself a future in Chelsea, whereas the latter knows he'll remain a bench player no matter what.

KDB was hoping to be close to a starting spot, something he would've had if Schurrle and Willian hadn't been bought. So he's

kind of a trapped animal, up against the odds and fighting for his dream (to succeed with Chelsea). Ryan KNEW exactly that

this would be his fate and can play freely, not a care in the world.

On Ray's quote; Essien is a seasoned warrior with nothing left to prove. Comparing him to someone who's having his first season

at a topclub makes even less sense than the first comparison you made. KDB has what it takes to become a legendary Chelsea player

and what I dislike about pessimists like yourself is that you're so quick to write off one of us (read: CHELSEA, not Belgium).

Still, I agree that we should loan him to a good EPL team in january.

So he was expecting an easy ride and not fight for his place after Schurrle and Willian came in?

[Stingray 9,441]

So he was expecting an easy ride and not fight for his place after Schurrle and Willian came in?

Nobody said that :-) Certainly, nor has the KDB himself.

[Kojo 4,676]

Kevin De Bruyne is one of the best technical players I've ever seen, besides Hazard. But De Bruyne has flair which is what Hazard lacks.

I hope we mold him into the calm game, someone like him would thrive a lot more at United where the play is more direct. De Bruyne is brilliant when he has space, but we can adapt him to be even better in the future. I think he should be getting more games.

Beginning of the season I liked watching him on the right side, he seemed to always come in handy there, not sure why he hasn't been playing more. Even if he isn't starting he should be playing a majority of our games even if it's for about 20-30 minutes.

[Christacinto 137]

So he was expecting an easy ride and not fight for his place after Schurrle and Willian came in?

Ok, so our discussion just went

Either you have the IQ of a pencil sharpener, my friend, or you're just trying to dick with me.

[Fernando 6,585]

Ok, so our discussion just went

Either you have the IQ of a pencil sharpener, my friend, or you're just trying to dick with me.

You wrote:

KDB was hoping to be close to a starting spot, something he would've had if Schurrle and Willian hadn't been bought. So he's

kind of a trapped animal

That can be interpreted as you putting an excuse that he did not expect to fight for his place.

[TorontoChelsea 4,064]

Of course he was nervous/uncomfortable. Last time he played badly he got sent to train with the U21s and did not play for the next 7/8 games. He was okay yesterday. The thing that irks me is that people act as if KDB is playing crap each chance he gets and his competition is playing out of their skins. KDB was our best player in pre-season and MOTM against Hull. Willian and Mata have also had flashes of good games and poor games. Hazard has been disappointing for the majority of the season so far and Schurrle has not done it for me at all. He's been the worst of the front four in his last 3 matches but apparently gets away with it because he's getting a run of games. Only Oscar is consistently performing. I see no reason why KDB is being reduced to CC appearances. (Same with Bertrand).

De Bruyne has played 4 games this season and has one good half against Hull. (Pre-season is worthless) He's been the worst player on the pitch in pretty much every other performance. It's hard to build momentum when you don't play regularly, but at this level, you have to learn how to make an impact and build your playing time. You can't come on and be useless every game and move up the depth chart. You don't rate Schurrle, but he's been better than De Bruyne in every aspect of the game. His passing is better, his workrate is better, his impact is greater, his defensive work is vastly better, his positioning is better, he fits Mourinho's system better. Who is De Bruyne supposed to start ahead of? He's #6 on our depth chart and that's where he deserves to be until he can play his way out of it. I like his potential, but his obsessed fans drive me crazy with how much they act like he should be handed opportunities just because, opportunities he hasn't earned.

[Henrique 9,133]

KDB = Kan'twear Da Blueshirt :lol2: