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Nuno 🤣

Jesus if Wolves over the last 18 months are anything to go by Spurs are going to be utter dogshit. 

Nuno not at the level for a team like Spurs. They’re going to have to appoint a Hasenhuttl or Nuno or somebody of this ilk though, because they’ve somehow missed out on every half decent manager available. 

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What is Spur’s insistence on developing young players re a manager just now? I mean their academy theres a handful of guys who are decent probably but you need to have a good environment and good senior/more experienced players around them which arguably bar Son, Kane, Alderwereild, Lloris maybe they don’t have. 

I mean if Daniel Levy is expecting Spurs to be going places, developing guys like Joe Rodon, Oliver Skipp, Japhet Tanganga, Ryan Sessegnon, Jack Clarke etc, they will undoubtedly also have to get rid of some of the shite/average/questionable more senior players like Dele Alli, Erik Lamela, Eric Dier, Harry Winks, Matt Doherty, Ben Davies, Davinson Sanchez. Or they wont get anywhere. 

Nuno’s record with developing players is also questionable. I mean does he really develop all these players so much or are they not just good players that they buy through the link to Jorge Mendes? For example Ruben Neves, Diogo Jota, Pedro Neto, Rui Patricio, Joao Moutinho… they were all definitely good/decent players. Morgan Gibbs-White was a big thing from their academy, played a lot first season in the PL then rarely featured after. Maybe he can be credited with Jota, Pedro Neto and Traore’s improvements more but he’s bought well more than anything (if he buys the players that is).

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8 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

Nuno 🤣

Jesus if Wolves over the last 18 months are anything to go by Spurs are going to be utter dogshit. 

Nuno not at the level for a team like Spurs. They’re going to have to appoint a Hasenhuttl or Nuno or somebody of this ilk though, because they’ve somehow missed out on every half decent manager available. 

I don't know if the 9-0 losses against Leicester and United are counting against him but am surprised Spurs haven't tried to go for Hasenhuttl. Think he's a good manager.

5 hours ago, Blues Forever said:

 

First of all, is Paratici even going to last at Spurs? He has barely been in the job and there already seems to be differing ideas between him and Levy.

Is Nuno really known for developing players, especially younger ones? Would say someone like Hasenhuttl has a better track record with that.

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1 hour ago, Jas said:

I don't know if the 9-0 losses against Leicester and United are counting against him but am surprised Spurs haven't tried to go for Hasenhuttl. Think he's a good manager.

First of all, is Paratici even going to last at Spurs? He has barely been in the job and there already seems to be differing ideas between him and Levy.

Is Nuno really known for developing players, especially younger ones? Would say someone like Hasenhuttl has a better track record with that.

He’s nothing special, maybe he will get there but him and Nuno are mediocre. Hasn’t really achieved anything of note with Southampton in 2 full seasons after keeping them up when he came where as at least Nuno has constantly had Wolves punching above their weight, in European competition, another 7th place finish etc to maybe push his case a bit.

Few things with Hassenhuttl though, like has he actually signed a good player yet for Southampton bar Danny Ings permanently (who was actually signed by Mark Hufhes originally on loan) and maybe Che Adams (even then hardly done anything for Southampton)? I really don’t think his transfers have worked well for Southampton because every season they don’t look like they improve and either way they end up around 14/15/16th in the table after battling relegation for 80% of the season although they did get 11th the season beforehand so maybe unfair. And then the who has he really improved aspect to the point they should definitely be playing at a higher level? Hojbjerg, Ings, JWP? Not exactly inspiring is it?

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7 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

He’s nothing special, maybe he will get there but him and Nuno are mediocre. Hasn’t really achieved anything of note with Southampton in 2 full seasons after keeping them up when he came where as at least Nuno has constantly had Wolves punching above their weight, in European competition, another 7th place finish etc to maybe push his case a bit.

Few things with Hassenhuttl though, like has he actually signed a good player yet for Southampton bar Danny Ings permanently (who was actually signed by Mark Hufhes originally on loan) and maybe Che Adams (even then hardly done anything for Southampton)? I really don’t think his transfers have worked well for Southampton because every season they don’t look like they improve and either way they end up around 14/15/16th in the table after battling relegation for 80% of the season although they did get 11th the season beforehand so maybe unfair. And then the who has he really improved aspect to the point they should definitely be playing at a higher level? Hojbjerg, Ings, JWP? Not exactly inspiring is it?

TBF, am not sure Southampton really have that much spending power for the manager to bring good players in. Excluding loans, they have bought only 7 players in the last two seasons and one of them was a free transfer.

Let's not forget that Southampton were also known for selling their best/better players a few years ago and once that set in, they never really got anywhere, certainly not after the Pochettino and Koeman regimes. 

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The Euro 2020 Fiver: Not even Premier League Years will tempt us away

 

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LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THE WEEKEND

The Fiver was worried that, in the context of a jam-packed 2020-21 season, two days without any Euro 2020 games would be an unendurable drought. Thankfully we’ve still got Premier League Years 1994-95 to watch on loop – that John Hartson tackle (sic) never gets old – and now it’s almost time for more live action. We’ve done our bit for Uefa’s official partnerships by readying multiple crates of 0.00% Heineken and our homemade 60.00% Coca-Cola. (The 60 is a reference to the inaugural European Nations Cup, and in no way reflects a partial misjudgement with the turps during the brewing process.)

The round that we will go to our grave refusing to refer to as the ‘round of 16’ begins with Wales v Denmark tomorrow afternoon. This should be a feelgood story whichever team wins, and the draw is also guaranteed thanks to the enduring patriotism of Goldie Lookin’ Chain. The only regret is that no Wales fans are allowed in Amsterdam to potentially experience the joyous moment of being clonked on the head by one of Gareth Bale’s less precise finishes. From there it’s across to London, where voguish hotties Italy are expected to beat Austria with the minimum of fuss. Then, on Sunday, it’s the Netherlands v the Czech Republic in the “the” derby in Budapest. Every time these two meet, the Fiver is taken back to Euro 2000, and particularly Jaap Stam having brain surgery without an aesthetic. Clive, it’s a metaphor.

This time, the pre-match focus is on a man who could probably do with having his brain rewired: the Hungarian prime minister Viktor Orban, and particularly his antediluvian take on equality and diversity. The Netherlands captain Gini Wijnaldum will wear a rainbow armband during the match and says he is prepared to take his team off the field if any of them are racially abused. Now, the Fiver is the opposite of an accomplished newshound, although we hope to get some professional training just as soon as we’ve finished looking into unconfirmed reports that John Fitzgerald Kennedy has been shot. But even we have a feeling this potential walk-off is going to become one of the biggest stories of Euro 2020.

Hopefully it won’t, and the Monday headlines will be saved for the weekend’s final fixture: the golden generation of Belgium against a one-man golden generation called Cristiano. A group of death does not end when someone plunges a serrated one into Hungarian hearts; it has a knock-on effect to the knockout stages, because you can end up with a group winner playing a third-placed team who also happen to be the defending champions. Belgium v Portugal, in the last 16? Not even Premier League Years 1994-95 will be able to tempt us away from this one.

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“Everyone recognised that Anthony was perfect. He managed this difficult moment in a great way. We are proud about his behaviour. We recommended to the referees that safety is first, it is the most important target for us. The referees must stop the match immediately in these situations. Anthony was amazing.” Uefa’s chief refereeing officer, Roberto Rosetti, praises Anthony Taylor’s quick response to Christian Eriksen’s on-field collapse.

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FIVER LETTERS

“Re: nobody apart from Alan Shearer remembering that England v Germany game in 2000 (yesterday’s Fiver). I don’t remember it either as, by the time Shearer’s header went in, I was surrendering to Belgian police outside the only bar in Charleroi that was showing the game. The 34,980-ish England fans in the bar had drunk it dry before kick-off, so Notts County and Derby fans decided to entertain us with ‘rivalry’ outside the venue. The arriving Belgian police commander gave us two options that evening: 1) ‘voluntary arrest’; or 2) ‘violence then arrest’. Having seen what happened to the option 2 people, I was pleased with my choice” – Trevor Martin (and friends).

“Not sure if anyone has picked up on this crucial point: England have a massive advantage against Germany because the Germans will have to conserve energy for another tough game only days later, whereas the English players will be able to relax and take it easy” – Simon Dunsby.

“Given we now have two sets of fixtures, the ongoing shenanigans of clubs who have had points docked, relegated teams tumbling down the pyramid, the great inequalities of parachute funds and a fair number of dodgy owners, can we now officially call the Championship the world’s first League of Death?” – Michael Lloyd.

“It took me quite a while to conclude that a ‘pine-rider’ (yesterday’s non-Euros business) was an alternative coinage for ‘bench-warmer’. I do like the term, but of course modern dugout seating is a lot less rustic. Perhaps ‘leatherette-lounger’ or ‘polypropylene-percher’ would be more apt?” – Steve Allen.

Send your letters to [email protected]. And you can always tweet The Fiver via @guardian_sport. Today’s winner of our prizeless letter o’ the day is … Simon Dunsby.

NEWS, BITS AND BOBS

Uefa are investigating claims of “potential discriminatory incidents” during Hungary’s game against Germany in Munich. Details of the incidents have not been provided yet. A separate investigation is already under way into incidents at Hungary’s games in Budapest against Portugal and France.

Column-inches-filling news: Marcus Rashford has urged his England teammates to make history against Germany in their Wembley showdown. “Our main focus is to win the game, but if we do it gets put in history,” Rashford roared.

The-absolute-state-of-it news: Álvaro Morata has revealed social media abuse he has suffered during the Euros, with his family also being harassed in Seville. “My wife and children have come to the stadium with Morata on their shirts and people have been shouting at them,” the striker said.

Lothar Matthäus has been watching Jogi Löw in the Germany dugout, and doesn’t like what he sees. “I am missing the connection between the bench and the players on the field,” Matthäus groaned. “He changed so many things. He changed one player for another and also the system – Joshua Kimmich played four positions.”

NON-EUROS BUSINESS

Uefa has sent away goals the way of the dodo after 56 years of use in European competitions.

Lucien Favre will not be Crystal Palace’s new manager, having marched himself out the door marked Do One before he had even signed his three-year contract.

Lucien Favre: thanks, but no thanks.
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It’s been two months since José Mourinho was canned, and Tottenham are still looking for a replacement. Nuno Espírito Santo is the name of Daniel Levy’s latest flame.

Ben White will join Arsenal if Brighton get £50m: sounds like a good deal for everyone, except perhaps Ben White.

Union Jack Grealish could be about to take his tiny shinpads north and join Manchester City’s zero-strikers conceptual art project for a £100m fee.

And Norwich have announced a new sponsorship deal with Lotus, after ending their previous agreement with BK8 Sports over the betting firm’s $exually provocative marketing content.

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Philip Lahm on how Denmark’s team spirit and Germany’s rainbow-lit stadiums have led the way for inclusivity amid a turbulent backdrop at EN 2020.

Jacob Steinberg on why Raheem Sterling deserves a little respect.

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“Some of our players weren’t even born then.” England shake off that post-Euro 96 pizza advert and make the Fiver feel very old. David Hytner has more.

Lothar Matthäus has seen this movie before, and predicts England will lose to Germany on penalties.

Loadsamoney? Lots of clean sheets, too. Nicky Bandini on how Milan escapee Gianluigi Donnarumma has silenced the critics.

Big Paper’s Steven Morris on how Wales’ latest Euro exploits have made an impact back home.

Full-backs bombing on and goals aplenty. Attacking full-backs are the order of the day at EN 2020, muses Jonathan Wilson.

Sergio Busquets is still doing his thing for Spain, as Sid Lowe reports.

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20 minutes ago, Jas said:

TBF, am not sure Southampton really have that much spending power for the manager to bring good players in. Excluding loans, they have bought only 7 players in the last two seasons and one of them was a free transfer.

Let's not forget that Southampton were also known for selling their best/better players a few years ago and once that set in, they never really got anywhere, certainly not after the Pochettino and Koeman regimes. 

That is true but again, I think the players he’s brought in, they are maybe more for the long term as opposed to trying to instantly improve their side.

They received crazy money for van Dijk but had almost squandered the same amount in the summer looking at some of Pellegrino’s summer buys. Horrendous. But would say that Hasenhuttl still hasn’t brought them on much much further which is maybe why top clubs don’t get linked with him. They are quite bold playing the way they do 442, high line, counter pressing but getting pumped 9-0 in 2 games in 2 seasons cannot help either when top clubs look at managers. 

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21 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

That is true but again, I think the players he’s brought in, they are maybe more for the long term as opposed to trying to instantly improve their side.

They received crazy money for van Dijk but had almost squandered the same amount in the summer looking at some of Pellegrino’s summer buys. Horrendous. But would say that Hasenhuttl still hasn’t brought them on much much further which is maybe why top clubs don’t get linked with him. They are quite bold playing the way they do 442, high line, counter pressing but getting pumped 9-0 in 2 games in 2 seasons cannot help either when top clubs look at managers. 

He has been linked with the Spurs job before, TBF. 

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5 minutes ago, Jas said:

He has been linked with the Spurs job before, TBF. 

Was that when they sacked Jose? Or beforehand? Could have maybe seen the links after his time at Leipzig but even then Poch was there wasn’t he?

I think he was actually/maybe linked here when FL was sacked but if the links were true, would definitely be more because he had worked with Werner as opposed to anything else I reckon. And well probably because he couldn’t have done a worse job either but who knows.

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15 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Was that when they sacked Jose? Or beforehand? Could have maybe seen the links after his time at Leipzig but even then Poch was there wasn’t he?

There were some links around the time when Mourinho got sacked. And think he may also have been linked when Pochettino got the boot 18 months ago. 

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