Wayne Rooney

[Tomo 21,751]

Assuming Rooney stays on 250k a week with us, his wage package will be £65m (assuming he gets a 5 year contract). So his overall contract and transfer package will be borderline (if not exceeding) £100m

If we got Cavani for £53m and paid him 150k a week, his overall package would be £92m.

[Barbara 15,149]

I'm one of the biggest Mourinho's fan out there. I've followed his work for the past 9 yeas - although I was lucky he only managed teams I support -and he will always have my support. It doesn't mean he doesn't make mistakes. He does, like everyone else - he just does it less than the next guy

That said, if Rooney comes (I really hope he doesn't), let's hope Mourinho isn't wrong on his assessment. I wouldn't even write it off that he doesn't have a real interest in Rooney and is just playing mind games because it doesn't make sense in my head that out of all the strikers in the world Mourinho seems so adamant about Rooney of all people. So maybe he's just trying to weaken a new manager in the biggest competition because when has Mourinho last been so clear and open about a signing? If this guy was the next (or current) big deal on football I'd get it, but Rooney? What's about Wayne Rooney that could make Mourinho behave like that? It has mind games written all over and maybe behind it there's a slight interest. But I think his main goal with this saga is weaken ManUtd and Moyes.

If he really has an interest though, I guess he's coming from what I've said before: he must be really confident on his management skills and Rui Faria's magic in the physical training if he thinks that Rooney is what Chelsea need now. We need a striker, that's for sure. The best names are unavailable (Falcao, Lewa, Cavani). I think it's risky, maybe not as risky as Torres was back then, but risky nonetheless and Mourinho knows it, which is why I'm convinced he's mainly looking for weakening one of his strongest opposition - that already is in a odd/new situation to say the least.

[Sheva. 5,373]

Most likely we won't get him - we haven't made a 2nd bid, he has done nothing to indicate he wants to leave. And Utd expect him back in training in August, just doesn't feel like anything is happening.

Oh well, i've already resigned to having Torres, Lukaku and Ba till at least January.

[HNKS 508]

Assuming Rooney stays on 250k a week with us, his wage package will be £65m (assuming he gets a 5 year contract). So his overall contract and transfer package will be borderline (if not exceeding) £100m

If we got Cavani for £53m and paid him 150k a week, his overall package would be £92m.

Sell Torres profit?

[wj818 25]

I'm one of the biggest Mourinho's fan out there. I've followed his work for the past 9 yeas - although I was lucky he only managed teams I support -and he will always have my support. It doesn't mean he doesn't make mistakes. He does, like everyone else - he just does it less than the next guy

That said, if Rooney comes (I really hope he doesn't), let's hope Mourinho isn't wrong on his assessment. I wouldn't even write it off that he doesn't have a real interest in Rooney and is just playing mind games because it doesn't make sense in my head that out of all the strikers in the world Mourinho seems so adamant about Rooney of all people. So maybe he's just trying to weaken a new manager in the biggest competition because when has Mourinho last been so clear and open about a signing? If this guy was the next (or current) big deal on football I'd get it, but Rooney? What's about Wayne Rooney that could make Mourinho behave like that? It has mind games written all over and maybe behind it there's a slight interest. But I think his main goal with this saga is weaken ManUtd and Moyes.

If he really has an interest though, I guess he's coming from what I've said before: he must be really confident on his management skills and Rui Faria's magic in the physical training if he thinks that Rooney is what Chelsea need now. We need a striker, that's for sure. The best names are unavailable (Falcao, Lewa, Cavani). I think it's risky, maybe not as risky as Torres was back then, but risky nonetheless and Mourinho knows it, which is why I'm convinced he's mainly looking for weakening one of his strongest opposition - that already is in a odd/new situation to say the least.

I kinda agree with you. It's like killing two birds with one stone. Not only you get a decent striker (which we are in need of) but also will lower Utd's morale. IMO I think the priority is in the latter one.

[bluesman2610 1,423]

Assuming Rooney stays on 250k a week with us, his wage package will be £65m (assuming he gets a 5 year contract). So his overall contract and transfer package will be borderline (if not exceeding) £100m

If we got Cavani for £53m and paid him 150k a week, his overall package would be £92m.

being reported 4yr 220k

[ulsterchelsea 3,221]

Mirror Saying utd wont sell him to us, the fail saying we're going back in with the much speculated 2nd bid to the tune of £30 mill... They know fuck all the lot of them

[ChelseaFanUK 1,014]

Mirror Saying utd wont sell him to us, the fail saying we're going back in with the much speculated 2nd bid to the tune of £30 mill... They know fuck all the lot of them

both mention a 2nd bid, which is obvious. Mourinho said in one of the papers the striker he wants doesnt cost 50m and he can spend up to 30m (i think) without affecting the balance at all. So obviously anything over 30m, puts us X amount down in our projected balance. IE: Rooney for 40m, means we have to make 10m somewhere to get us back to our target for this financial year. Saying Utd will sell him abroad probably IS their preferred choice. As would ours be if say Utd and Madrid wanted Oscar, id much rather give him to madrid than utd

[Peace. 4,352]

Hey Peace. Thanks for the thought provoking and balanced argument. You made a lot of valid points and I can't say I disagree enough to send you back an argument of equal quality. At least you can still admit that he's still a good player unlike others who don't want Rooney.

You're right in basically saying that Wayne won't get any better - that Wayne peaked early. I don't disagree with that. What I do disagree with though is the notion that he's basically "over-the-hill". What I personally see in Wayne is a very talented player that is frustrated at not being allowed to play in the best circumstances and we at Chelsea potentially have the right environment for him to excel. He's a player that when fit, motivated and under the right roof is easily a top 5 player in the world. I still believe he's in his peak but just had a season that didn't go his way last year.

You bring in the Villa, Pirlo, Xavi and Lampard arguments and they're all very plausible but to me Wayne's situation is different. The players you've mentioned above are all above 31 whilst Wayne is just 27 and clearly has still got plenty of top level football left in him. You are correct in saying that he's somewhat lost his power/pace from his youth days but it doesn't matter if we were to sign him. If we needed a striker that brought pace to the table because there is a lot of space in behind the defence and in between the lines - we'd just play Lukaku, simple.

However, knowing that that won't be the case for the majority of our games, a striker who can play in tight spaces and bring in other players is invaluable and Wayne is one of the best in the world in that aspect hence why it would be a great signing. Wayne is very strong technically, has a great first touch, and doesn't get bullied off the ball easily at all. He's also got a knack of finding himself in the right place at the right time. When Rooney's at his best he's unstoppable. He'll win you games. That's why I believe he'd be a great signing for us because he does offer something different at a high quality level.

I also want to say this - Rooney is still very mobile as a player even if he has lost a little bit if pace and power. He's not like Villa for example who you could definitely say is in decline because of career threatening injuries he's suffered late into his career - the same can't be said about Wayne's who has still got at least 3/4 years left at the top. He's still at a moderate stage in his career.

Like I said before, I still think he's in his peak. Even when he does decline, it would be a steady decline - he'd still prove to be a very valuable player because he doesn't rely on that pace/power unlike Torres.

Again, Rooney would be a fantastic signing because it would truly go a long way to us having a versatile squad which will allow us to be far more unpredictable thus giving Jose more options. If we get him for around the ~£30m it will be an astute transfer for a world class striker.

Thanks I'll only reply you in regards of the following quotes, if it doesn't bother you !

"What I personally see in Wayne is a very talented player that is frustrated at not being allowed to play in the best circumstances and we at Chelsea potentially have the right environment for him to excel. He's a player that when fit, motivated and under the right roof is easily a top 5 player in the world."

While I definitely agree that if Rooney gains back his motivation and fitness, he would then be among the very best players in the world at the moment ; I am less optimistic than a lot of people regarding the probability of him regaining this fitness and this motivation. To my eyes, it is a big if. While reading throughout this thread, I saw a lot of comments implying that basically, the change of team and the Mourinho effect will be enough for him to regain his motivation. However, that's not as simple as saying "hello" ; the Mourinho effect is kinda overrated into my eyes — he is an excellent motivator, though he isn't the King Midas of the motivation.

I do not believe that Rooney's loss of form (let's call it this way, so we don't enter the "on decline / not on decline" debate in this part) comes from the fact he is a big baby who's sulking because he's frustrated and jealous of not being Ferguson's darling number one anymore. I believe that the origins of this frustration, this loss of motivation and of fitness, root deeper than the sole bad temper of the player.

We gotta take into consideration that despite his relatively young age, Rooney has already 11 seasons at the top level behind him ; nine at Manchester United and two at Everton. To that you can add World Cups and three European Cups. It does represent 479 matches for clubs, and 83 for his country. Moreover, if my memory serves my right, he has been involved heavily with the starting eleven right from the start, as suggests us his 77 appeareances in his two first footballing seasons at Everton, and this basically at the age of ~ 18. He's a player who peaked and fulfilled his development pretty early. When you are on top of your game for seven or eight years, there comes a time when your body is washed-out. That's a lot of strain put to your body. Furthermore, Rooney has never been know to be a big partisan of fitness and he seems to be initially "big boned", which put even more strain on your body. And I deeply believe that because of this, he will never be able to be as fit as he was. I just think that his physical capability has toned down of one level — which is something absolutely normal in my opinion (and in the light of what I just said). However, he might reach a level of fitness not far from his very best, though he will have to put in a lot of work — and for this he has to be motivated once again.

As for the motivation, I don't know... When I look at him, he kinda reminds me of someone who's depressed — as if he was going through his midlife crisis ( laugh out loud ). The way we see him regularly sulking... The way he has taken United into hostage twice because of a supposedly lack of ambition from the club ; and now he is irritated because he isn't the number one anymore... To me it looks like he is searching his feet ; he understands that he isn't the same anymore, and he find it hard to accept this very fact. In other words, I don't think that giving him a new sportive challenge will have any significant effect upon his motivation. As a matter of fact, I deeply believe that giving him a fresh motivation won't be that easy, not at all.

I might sound all doom and gloom regarding his future, but that's not the case. I am not saying he is good for ending up his career right now. I simply believe that to have a near-his-best Rooney will require more than a few pats on the head given by Mourinho and a "you're the best my sweet little Wayny".

The bottom line is that I am not saying he won't nor he will regain his motivation (and fitness), but that it won't be an easy task. It's merely food for thoughts.

[Gilvorak 3,734]

Well, Mourinho wants Rooney so are you calling him a disgrace as well?

Mou also wanted Quaresma, Boulahrouz, Adebayor and a broken down Essien. He's fallible just like any other human being.

Let Emenalo deal with transfer dealings he's done a remarkable job these past couple of years.

[Toli 977]

I'm one of the biggest Mourinho's fan out there. I've followed his work for the past 9 yeas - although I was lucky he only managed teams I support -and he will always have my support. It doesn't mean he doesn't make mistakes. He does, like everyone else - he just does it less than the next guy

That said, if Rooney comes (I really hope he doesn't), let's hope Mourinho isn't wrong on his assessment. I wouldn't even write it off that he doesn't have a real interest in Rooney and is just playing mind games because it doesn't make sense in my head that out of all the strikers in the world Mourinho seems so adamant about Rooney of all people. So maybe he's just trying to weaken a new manager in the biggest competition because when has Mourinho last been so clear and open about a signing? If this guy was the next (or current) big deal on football I'd get it, but Rooney? What's about Wayne Rooney that could make Mourinho behave like that? It has mind games written all over and maybe behind it there's a slight interest. But I think his main goal with this saga is weaken ManUtd and Moyes.

If he really has an interest though, I guess he's coming from what I've said before: he must be really confident on his management skills and Rui Faria's magic in the physical training if he thinks that Rooney is what Chelsea need now. We need a striker, that's for sure. The best names are unavailable (Falcao, Lewa, Cavani). I think it's risky, maybe not as risky as Torres was back then, but risky nonetheless and Mourinho knows it, which is why I'm convinced he's mainly looking for weakening one of his strongest opposition - that already is in a odd/new situation to say the least.

mourinho already said back as a madrid coach, that if rooney is available, he will go for him. he loves this guy, because Rooney is one of the best strikers in the world- simple. I dont think this are mind-games- we truly want him. we could have gone for Suarez for example but it seems that Rooney is the only target.

@Gilvorak Mou also wanted Di Maria, Özil, Drogba and Co. of course every manager makes bad and good buys. thats normal.

[Gilvorak 3,734]

If he were on less than £150k p/w and went for £25m-£30m then yes, it would be a decent transfer but that won't be the case.

If we're not high on our current options at CF we should have just went for Falcao/Cavani while we still had the chance because if you add wages they would be worth way less while still in their prime and being much better fits.

[Symbol123 175]

Assuming Rooney stays on 250k a week with us, his wage package will be £65m (assuming he gets a 5 year contract). So his overall contract and transfer package will be borderline (if not exceeding) £100m

If we got Cavani for £53m and paid him 150k a week, his overall package would be £92m.

I was always curious about this but too lazy to do the math for it, thanks for the post. Defintely makes me more hesitant about Rooney...

[Pizy 18,985]

Completely lost faith in this happening now and fully expect to see Torres flailing around the pitch for at least half a season once again.

Just don't understand how there's this giant mountain of evidence showing that Rooney wants to leave but he won't hand in a fucking transfer request. Any money he'd lose from this "loyalty bonus" we can just pay him as a singing on bonus.

Just buy Suarez or Ibra now for fuck sake and let an unhappy Rooney sulk and stink up the joint playing for that mong Moyes.

[Bir_CFC 3,455]

So Mou mentioned there is an agreement with United to not talk about Rooney. Why would Chelsea accept this agreement? What could United possibly offer in exchange that would entice Chelsea into accepting this agreement?

[Reddish-Blue 2,513]

I just don't see Rooney leaving United.

RvP could get injured at anytime..and I doubt Moyes would be happy with a frontline of Welbeck and Hernandez.

At the end of the day, if we're thinking about spending 50 million on another striker (who seems to be on the decline)...maybe we would of been better off getting Falcao/Cavani in their prime.

[cadenza666 221]

wait are there quotes with Jose actually mentioning that or is that from the Guardian where they said theres an agreement between both clubs not to further comment on the situation.

[Mouri_Matic 560]

So Mou mentioned there is an agreement with United to not talk about Rooney. Why would Chelsea accept this agreement? What could United possibly offer in exchange that would entice Chelsea into accepting this agreement?

It is something like ''shut it and we will consider your bid once we found a replacement, otherwise forget it.''

[Special Juan 28,187]

Went to the Middlesbrough friendly with Bordeaux yesterday it was an invite from a corporate company a mate of mine works for, afterwards was having a beer in the bar area when in walked Ross Turnbull, I've known Ross for a few years now and managed to catch up with him yesterday. I asked him how he enjoyed it here with us to which he explained he loved it and was greatful for the chance to play for such a massive team etc. I asked him about Rooney, he said with 100 percent confidence we will get him, no doubt. He said he spoke with Jose only last week and Jose said to him "it was a matter of time" before we got Rooney.

Just thought I would share with you what was said.

[nadavTKL 1,787]

In Ross we trust