Jype 6,398 Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 We have too many anti barca in this forum. If I were neymar, I will pick barca for obvious reason. He will get to play his favorite position left winger. Yes the offense is messicentric like us mata centric but in barca he will have plenty of one on one chance against defender which he will enjoyI'm not anti-Barca, I'm just being a realist. So many amazing attacking players (Eto'o, Henry, Zlatan, Villa, Sanchez) have been marginalized by modern Barcelona just because they want Messi to score as many goals as possible so he can win the Ballon d'Or. Barcelona of 2009 was miles ahead of this current team, not necessarily because the players were better but because they played better as a team and all their strikers / wingers got their fair share of goals. Now all they do is play everything through Messi and the average players like Pedro stay out of his way and if by some chance Messi fails to score they're there to tap the ball in a few times a season.I've read Zlatan's autobiography and he explained how Messi moaned to Guardiola how Zlatan was ruining his chances to shine because Zlatan played in his natural centre forward role and Messi couldn't get involved enough from the wing and he needed more freedom. Strangely enough Zlatan had been doing very well up to that point but there onwards he was played out of position or even benched for the rest of the season and then forced out of the club. David Villa, one of the best centre forwards when he was at Valencia, joined Barca and was played out wide so Messi can play central and score more goals. Villa hasn't looked the same since. Sanchez played in a quite free role on the right wing at Udinese and was setting the world alight there. Them moved to Barcelona and has done fuck all since. Starting to see a pattern here?Like I said, Barca are still a great team, although way too dependent on Messi like we saw in the CL this season, and under the right manager they could get amazing results from the Neymar / Messi partnership but with Vilanova I'm afraid Neymar will be just the same as every other attacking talent they've brought in these past few years. I find it odd that a mediocre player like Pedro Rodriguez has been the most constant attacking player in their lineup aside from Messi while much better players have come and gone. Now why might that be? I think because Pedro knows he's not good enough to play for a side like Barca and he agrees to do the ugly work without complaining so Messi can do what he does best. Can't see these better players doing that when they have the option of being the main man somewhere else and that's why the others haven't stayed there very long or are constantly looking or a way out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mybodyisready 155 Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 Madrid going after Neymar shows that they want a big name to come in after a shite season, and since he is going to farca that can only mean 1 thing, which is Madrid going all out for Bale, which pleases me.Also, messy can fuck off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toli 977 Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 Because they could have sold him for 50 odd million in 2010. they have made more money with him than tthey will loose now. sponsorship deals, ticket sales etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,601 Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 Right this means one thing, Alexis Sanchez can be sold from Barcelona. We should go for him as he can play as right winger. We need someone like him for that wing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Severinb 309 Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 Right this means one thing, Alexis Sanchez can be sold from Barcelona. We should go for him as he can play as right winger. We need someone like him for that wing.Thats what i thought but he just said he wants to stay and the club want him to stay its on sky! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rmpr 8,977 Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 I don't think anyone can compare Oscar and Neymar's prices, that's daft. Neymar's got half a year left on his contract if I remember correctly and he's still going for 28m? Would've been a lot more if he had 1 more year left on his current deal.He has one year left on his contract, it ends after the WC 2014.Barcelona payed 28mi euros for Neymar and we payed 40mi euros for Hazard. Taking into consideration they are both at about the same level, it wasn't the worse of the deals Barcelona could have made... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yuvala 2,167 Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 Wait, so did he sign for Barca? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,889 Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 He has one year left on his contract, it ends after the WC 2014.Barcelona payed 28mi euros for Neymar and we payed 40mi euros for Hazard. Taking into consideration they are both at about the same level, it wasn't the worse of the deals Barcelona could have made... Hazard is better imo. There is no doubting Neymars potential, he is a talented player just he is very unproven in Europe. Even with Brazil recently against Russia and England he has hardly performed to a high level. My prediction is Hazard will win the Ballon d'Or in 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badboy 1,526 Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 He has one year left on his contract, it ends after the WC 2014.Barcelona payed 28mi euros for Neymar and we payed 40mi euros for Hazard. Taking into consideration they are both at about the same level, it wasn't the worse of the deals Barcelona could have made... Is Neymar as good as what they say. I don't watch Brazilian league and the only time I've seen him play is on highlights and I've been impressed.... Do you think he is as good as someone like Hazard ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonPride1905 236 Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 Neymar - Messi - Sanchez/PedroWow, that is really nice, but they still don't have someone to score a damn tap in, like you need one. Will be another season of tiki- taka drama.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 He has one year left on his contract, it ends after the WC 2014.Barcelona payed 28mi euros for Neymar and we payed 40mi euros for Hazard. Taking into consideration they are both at about the same level, it wasn't the worse of the deals Barcelona could have made... Okay, Neymar's got one year left on his deal. Hazard had 2 or 3 years left in his contract, so obviously his price would've been a lot more. If Neymar had 2 or 3 years left he would've easily been going for double the price right now. When it comes down to it, I'm happy we did get Eden over Neymar as Hazard seems to be more suited to the EPL.For me right now Hazard is the better player. Neymar's still got to prove himself in the top European leagues so in my opinion Hazard has the upper hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rmpr 8,977 Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 Hazard is better imo. There is no doubting Neymars potential, he is a talented player just he is very unproven in Europe. Even with Brazil recently against Russia and England he has hardly performed to a high level. My prediction is Hazard will win the Ballon d'Or in 2015 Yeah, but you have to put things in context. Brazil has a new manager and we aren't playing half as good as we can (we drew 2-2 against Chile at home). Neymar had quite an incredible game agains a full Italy team (who are better than Russia and England) though.National team performance is not the same as for club, Ronaldinho never played well for Brazil (besides 2002). Is he a bad player because of that?Hazard is very good, but I think Neymar has a higher potential and he will ultimately be better. However, if you ask me who is the better player now, that is Hazard without a single doubt. P.S: I hope you are right, prefer to see a Chelsea player win Ballon D'Or than someone who plays for fucking Barcelona! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rmpr 8,977 Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 Is Neymar as good as what they say. I don't watch Brazilian league and the only time I've seen him play is on highlights and I've been impressed.... Do you think he is as good as someone like Hazard ?No, but he is better than people here make of him. Some pages back you will see people saying Moses is a better player! :lol2: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rmpr 8,977 Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 Okay, Neymar's got one year left on his deal. Hazard had 2 or 3 years left in his contract, so obviously his price would've been a lot more. If Neymar had 2 or 3 years left he would've easily been going for double the price right now. When it comes down to it, I'm happy we did get Eden over Neymar as Hazard seems to be more suited to the EPL.For me right now Hazard is the better player. Neymar's still got to prove himself in the top European leagues so in my opinion Hazard has the upper hand.100% agree, but still not a bad deal for Barcelona! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waterfall 893 Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 He has one year left on his contract, it ends after the WC 2014.Barcelona payed 28mi euros for Neymar and we payed 40mi euros for Hazard. Taking into consideration they are both at about the same level, it wasn't the worse of the deals Barcelona could have made... Isn't it 28M for 55% of his rights? Barca would still need to pay DIS, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Mikel OBE 4,920 Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 is the fact that this deal is happening now proof that everyone thinks the confederations cup will be a disaster for the Brazillian players?Surely if they thought he would do amazing this summer they could possibly get a few more quid out of them after the tournament is over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rmpr 8,977 Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 Isn't it 28M for 55% of his rights? Barca would still need to pay DIS, no?No, it is 28mi for 100% of his rights, but Santos only has 55%... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddish-Blue 2,516 Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 Yeah, but you have to put things in context. Brazil has a new manager and we aren't playing half as good as we can (we drew 2-2 against Chile at home). Neymar had quite an incredible game agains a full Italy team (who are better than Russia and England) though.National team performance is not the same as for club, Ronaldinho never played well for Brazil (besides 2002). Is he a bad player because of that?Hazard is very good, but I think Neymar has a higher potential and he will ultimately be better. However, if you ask me who is the better player now, that is Hazard without a single doubt. P.S: I hope you are right, prefer to see a Chelsea player win Ballon D'Or than someone who plays for fucking Barcelona!Will be very interesting to see if Neymar fulfils his potential under Messi's shadow at Barcelona..I just get the feeling that he would of been better off joining any club except Barcelona. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yuvala 2,167 Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 So there isn't any Chelsea option? Barca or Real? thats it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waterfall 893 Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 No, it is 28mi for 100% of his rights, but Santos only has 55%...http://www.marca.com/2013/05/24/en/football/barcelona/1369377811.htmlFor its part, Santos is trying to squeeze Barcelona and have them cough up near to €30 million for a 55 per cent stake in the player. On top of this amount, you have to add what it would cost to buy the remaining 45 per cent, which belongs to the supermarket group DIS and an investment fund called TEISA. Barça considers this figure to be unacceptable.If I am correct, Barca only gets 55% of his rights, but because Spanish Federation allows third party ownership of players, that's all Barca needs to pay to get him to play for their team. So if an English team were to bid for Neymar we would have had to spend more to get 100% of his rights Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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