Everton 2-0 Chelsea

[Chuckso 17]

4 hours ago, Sir Mikel OBE said:

He's talking about new signings, but how do we even know they are going to open the chequebook again? Todd and co just spent a fortune on Ohtani for the dodgers.

Haha.

 

If he indeed said that, it reminds me of Mourinho 1.0 when Roman reminded him he bought the club to see winning but also good football, Mourinho responded by saying he needed class A eggs to make good football. This was after the biggest short term splash on a squad in footballing history - spending more than £300m. I asked then that were there not teams constructed for a fraction of the cost and were capable of presentable football? Pochetinno, like Mourinho before him, is doing a squirrel- look over there!
 

When Pochetinno started dropping some of the the players, Caicedo and Enzo in particular, it was clear to me that like Mourinho, when things are going badly who dropped players, he blamed them publicly - Pochetino blames his players but does not voice it publicly. He has not figured out he is the problem.

 

- He cannot organize a UNITED press. Meaning our opponents find it easy to play their way out from the back

- He does not demand proactive defending. Our players only react to an opponent when the ball has reached the opponent, rather than anticipating the pass and putting them under pressure so they make a mistake. This is what our opponents do to us. 

- No one is given responsibility to pick people up and are told to mark space. Caicedo is told to just sit in the center - in front and between the center backs - he is not blessed with pace so if he is not instructed to be close to a player I.e just marking space he would struggle. There are countless times I see a 2 vs 1 on the wings because someone who should be picking the second opponent has been told to mark space so they are elsewhere. It is disorganized.

This also leads to our players needing to make a lot of “recovery tackles” that lead to cards. Because they are being reactive to the play  

 

So in all, we are very easy to play and score against us. That is why those opponents who bring running and intensity outplay us and only need one chance to score.  Poch has set the team up to fail. I had seen this since the 2nd game of the season and he has not changed it. That is why I say he is out of his depth - a dinosaur - and stealing a living at the moment.

 

Added to this the lack of intensity and laid-backness of this team, which surprised me. I remember his Tottenham team who were beasts and ran you ragged. Perhaps Neymar and Messi had broken him and he is afraid to demand his players run into the ground, defensively.

 

I would also add this mess up takes it toll on our offensive play. It is clear we have regressed offensively and I could predict this would be the case. This was from Conte’s second season where teams started to press us but we were not pressing back (because coaches like Conte, Tuchel and Mourinho value organization and control above all else). What transpired was that as the opponents were putting our players under pressure, tackling and sometimes dispossessing them, their players gained in confidence while ours dipped. This confidence was chipped at game by game before it became a full blown crisis. The crisis we are seeing now where our offense, which was pretty good at the start of the season, has now gone to pants. Mohammed Ali eventually paid a price for constantly relying on rope-a-dope.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 10, 2023 by Chuckso

[cosmicway 1,333]

6 minutes ago, Costa19 said:

Even though the quality of the football in Sweden is wank the supporters would never accept this. We visit the training complex, waiting for players and manager after the game, chants on the arena and immense pressure on the board etc. 
 
Thats why i wonder about it because this drop off would never be accepted in Sweden who is like 1/20 of the PL.. 
 
 

Here they use tarts.

[TheHulk 2,457]

 

[Vytis33 1,272]

Full credit for what exactly?  We must’ve been watching different games 

 

 

 

[cosmicway 1,333]

4 minutes ago, Vytis33 said:

Full credit for what exactly?  We must’ve been watching different games 

 

 

 

If these players stay for three or four days at Goodison park they may score.
But who is coaching and selecting the attackers ? Me ?

[lucio 5,418]

7 minutes ago, Vytis33 said:

Full credit for what exactly?  We must’ve been watching different games 

 

 

 

We did nothing , this spurs mentality loser has to go 

[bluephoenix 1,131]

Worse about of defeats is that we dont even seem to be trying for a comeback or a saving grace. Clubs atleast pull a goal or 2 when they know they are loosing we just dont seem to be in it at all

[Blue Armour 4,439]

 

[Vesper 30,185]

22 minutes ago, Blue Armour said:

 

he is spot the fuck on

[TheHulk 2,457]

1 hour ago, Vytis33 said:

Full credit for what exactly?  We must’ve been watching different games 

 

 

 

Dyche destroyed him, he took a complete hopeless trash Everton who no one believed would escape relegation and now fighting to finish in top half.

[TheHulk 2,457]

 

[King Kante 1,643]

2 minutes ago, TheHulk said:

Dyche destroyed him, he took a complete hopeless trash Everton who no one believed would escape relegation and now fighting to finish in top half.

🤣. If we had a manager like Dyche and playing 5atb you would be the first on here complaining about the lack of progressive football. For me, we can sack Poch and sign pretty much any other manager- bar Pep or someone similar- and be in exactly the same position. The fact of the matter is our squad is simply a development squad who are going to always lose against a side of motivated men who do not press up against us. 

The fact of the matter is that we have no leaders or players that can game manage in our team. On top of this, we have brought in player worse than the players than they replaced. Mount, Havetz, Jorgi and Alonso (all whipping boys of years past) are miles ahead of the versions we sold than the likes of Cuca, Madueke, Caicedo and Jackson. For sure the later may become better in time, but that means a number of seasons being average (midtable). Problem is people thought that replacing them with whoever was flavour of the month was the solution, without taking a step back to think of the madness of it all. 

[Vesper 30,185]

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Edited December 10, 2023 by Vesper

[TheHulk 2,457]

3 minutes ago, King Kante said:

🤣. If we had a manager like Dyche and playing 5atb you would be the first on here complaining about the lack of progressive football. For me, we can sack Poch and sign pretty much any other manager- bar Pep or someone similar- and be in exactly the same position. The fact of the matter is our squad is simply a development squad who are going to always lose against a side of motivated men who do not press up against us. 

The fact of the matter is that we have no leaders or players that can game manage in our team. On top of this, we have brought in player worse than the players than they replaced. Mount, Havetz, Jorgi and Alonso (all whipping boys of years past) are miles ahead of the versions we sold than the likes of Cuca, Madueke, Caicedo and Jackson. For sure the later may become better in time, but that means a number of seasons being average (midtable). Problem is people thought that replacing them with whoever was flavour of the month was the solution, without taking a step back to think of the madness of it all. 

Most likely would but still what is Poch even bringing to the table no football, no results also lying through his teeth in presses how we playing good.

I don't want someone like Dyche but goes to show you don't need massive budget and bring players that suit your style to organize a team.

[Mário César 1,272]

our problem is simple:

players aren't good enough and todd bohlly changed a lot and deeply fast inside the club

[Laylabelle 9,535]

3 hours ago, bluephoenix said:

Thank God didn’t ruin my Sunday morning by walking to watch this match. 
One word : Pathetic

 where there any positives?

i get poch maybe need time but we just seem to be regressing. The club has been in this clueless position since takeover. The owners really think they are playing FIFA buying average players for way tooooooo much money and disappointing the fans

It ended that was a positive and another game less to play

Edited December 10, 2023 by Laylabelle

[Chuckso 17]

The truth is we have been very unlucky with managers.

The last time we had a manager who played to the players TRUE talents - I.e their performance matched their quality was Mourinho 2.0 before the 6-3 loss to Tottenham. This was 2016 - 7 years ago. Before he lost the plot.

Before that was Ancelotti in 2010. Before he lost the plot after Ray Wilkins’s sacking.
 

All the others have been found wanting. 
 

The truth is the quality of this squad is masking Poch’s incompetence. For example, the goals Raheem Sterling (not a favorite player of mine) has scored this season - where he gets the ball and just runs at the opposition. No build up play - just individual talent. Other teams have to get by without a Raheem Sterling but they are scoring goals and doing better than us. Better organization, cohesion, intensity - MANAGEMENT.

[Reddish-Blue 2,506]

Pathetic all round, this lot needs a Mourinho/Conte to whip them into shape and make them work hard. 

I always questioned Poch's mentality as he came from Spurs...

[LAM09 7,056]

11 minutes ago, Reddish-Blue said:

Pathetic all round, this lot needs a Mourinho/Conte to whip them into shape and make them work hard. 

I always questioned Poch's mentality as he came from Spurs...

This squad wouldn't be able to cope with that sort of discipline. The real issue with Poch is that players can seemingly put in 2/10 performances without any repercussions. 

[Fulham Broadway 17,315]

And there Ladies and Gentlemen we have it. The slow decline, slow motion car crash into mediocrity. Thanks Putin/Tory government/Ukraine war whoeveres to blame for us losing an owner that actually cared that we were good.