Hutcho 8,443 Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 I disagree. I think Pep would get longer than any other manager because of his track record and the fact that Roman views him as the guy to take us forward. He's arguably the best manager in the world right now, and definitely the most in demand so there's a sense that there's no-one bigger to go for if things aren't working out.Plus there's so much in place with regards the type of players we're signing for the first-team, and even at the younger levels, that to sack him would mean a massive sea-change in terms of everything you're trying to do as a club. I think Roman desperately wants a guy to provide stability for the next 3-4 years whilst things happen around the club, primarily the stadium issue.Yeah we cannot be definitive for obvious reasons... To clarify i am not arguing we shouldn't have him here, as i would love him to come here, he is the most in demnad due to his current situation and we would be lucky to have him, i think saying he is the best manager in the world is a stretch. He is a great man manager that is for sure, but i don't think snyone has enough info to say he is the best in the world... He could in many years time turn out to be though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushman 2,043 Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 We also know where Chelsea were in May, and we where we still are (at least until the next May).In May Chelsea rented several buses & parked them in front of their box, I read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laura90 556 Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Jose - wins things and installs mentall strenght and winner's mentality , especially if Barcelona is not around. We can call him arrogant as much as we want but if he ends up in Manchester we wouldn't be happy about it. Only for long term of course, but if he comes back to England settling down would make sense.Klopp - would need time, but has eye for a talent and can make team to play pretty nice football. There is nothing wrong with german discipline and sense for organisation too. He seems happy at Dortmund but question remains will he be able to meet his potential there if he keeps losing best players season after season.Pep - His trophies speak for himself. He would be a gamble though. In an ideal world it would be someone from three mentioned. They would be given enough time and wouldn't be faced with sacking after two lousy months.Or someone less established, but good scout, great man manager and even better tactician able to meet our high standards and not have two defeats in a row. Well that was ideal world, but in reality of Chelsea FC...Anyone who wants to take a chance, grab some quick money, is into sadomasochism , or is eager to get new chance in coaching, doesn't care about his reputation too much, which makes him eligible to come her and leave his bags packed...ready to fly as soon as things go sour. To be fair, things change, and there is still time for us to stop this managerial countdown. There is slim chance that we are determined to treat the next manager right ,and in that case, the most likely option is Guardiola. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulham Broadway 17,332 Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Regardless of trophies or reputation, its Abramovichs club and he makes that clear by hiring and firing at will. Theres nothing to suggest he will put a wedge in the revolving door.We shoudl start with people on this forum, each given a months tenure like that Member of the Month thingy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laylabelle 9,536 Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Regardless of trophies or reputation, its Abramovichs club and he makes that clear by hiring and firing at will. Theres nothing to suggest he will put a wedge in the revolving door.We shoudl start with people on this forum, each given a months tenure like that Member of the Month thingyOne day they'll be a 'choose the seat' number comp at the Bridge then surprise!Your ManagerOr Roman hires himself...Be daft to hire someone again and fire them within a short period..doing it three seasons in a row wouldnt exactly be a selling point for potential Managers.Need to look at track records etc rather then just names..and give them a chance! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulham Broadway 17,332 Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 One day they'll be a 'choose the seat' number comp at the Bridge then surprise!Your ManagerOr Roman hires himself...Be daft to hire someone again and fire them within a short period..doing it three seasons in a row wouldnt exactly be a selling point for potential Managers.Need to look at track records etc rather then just names..and give them a chance!Thing is managers know what they will get at Chelsea -short tenure, and a shed load of cash. i dont think many would turn it down out of pride or integrity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laylabelle 9,536 Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 True and a nice little stay in London...might be able to do all the sights before they get the flickJose wouldnt work.No gurantee of having full control over whats going on,there seemed to be issued when he wouldnt play Sheva when he was crap so imagin if he benched Torres.And why come back to a club where you were treated like crap.We need to move on and he has and his return to England be a annoying one for us no doubt.Shouldnt have been let go in the first place and reason for this mess... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kezza 1,965 Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Don't actually care anymore.No such thing as a permanent manager. So whoever does come in after rafa will be gone within 18 months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OReillyD36 311 Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Pep or Klopp would be interesting because of how they have molded young players at their respective clubs. Would like to see some use of this golden generation that's coming through, of course they would have to be given time and assurances to do so. Jose would be great of course, tried and tested and all that. Any of those three ideally but who knows what goes on in the boardroom and who we'll end up with at the helm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rupert 130 Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Jose - wins things and installs mentall strenght and winner's mentality , especially if Barcelona is not around. We can call him arrogant as much as we want but if he ends up in Manchester we wouldn't be happy about it. Only for long term of course, but if he comes back to England settling down would make sense.Klopp - would need time, but has eye for a talent and can make team to play pretty nice football. There is nothing wrong with german discipline and sense for organisation too. He seems happy at Dortmund but question remains will he be able to meet his potential there if he keeps losing best players season after season.Pep - His trophies speak for himself. He would be a gamble though. In an ideal world it would be someone from three mentioned. They would be given enough time and wouldn't be faced with sacking after two lousy months.Or someone less established, but good scout, great man manager and even better tactician able to meet our high standards and not have two defeats in a row. Well that was ideal world, but in reality of Chelsea FC...Anyone who wants to take a chance, grab some quick money, is into sadomasochism , or is eager to get new chance in coaching, doesn't care about his reputation too much, which makes him eligible to come her and leave his bags packed...ready to fly as soon as things go sour. To be fair, things change, and there is still time for us to stop this managerial countdown. There is slim chance that we are determined to treat the next manager right ,and in that case, the most likely option is Guardiola. Jose was jeered loudly again today by Real Madrid fans as he has been jeered for much of this season. He is on his way out not as a guy who always wins things - he doesn't and is currently way behind Atletico Madrid in third place - but as a guy who spreads a lot of poison wherever he goes. Most people in Spain think he has dragged Real Madrid into the gutter - despite the league win last season (after all RM have won the league many times before he arrived). He has been soundly beaten time and again by Barcelona. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nadavTKL 1,787 Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 I just want us to be Jose Mourinho's team again, with everything it represents.Imo if he's coming here we'll control the league like we did in his first two seasons. He'll improve what we need to improve in the squad, he'll make the team look organized (finaly), we will immediately be the team with the "smartest", most solid tactics in the league (there isnt realy any competition with anybody else). Jose is a different level and he's a definite sucsses.Big plus: he will give some of our young players something they realy lack of... BALLS. His teams just have that attitude and motivation that i want in Chelsea again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted January 6, 2013 Author Share Posted January 6, 2013 I just want us to be Jose Mourinho's team again, with everything it represents.Imo if he's coming here we'll control the league like we did in his first two seasons. He'll improve what we need to improve in the squad, he'll make the team look organized (finaly), we will immediately be the team with the "smartest", most solid tactics in the league (there isnt realy any competition with anybody else). Jose is a different level and he's a definite sucsses.Big plus: he will give some of our young players something they realy lack of... BALLS.A lot of that sounds like you just want us to go back in time to 2005 and are ignoring how his tenure ended.I'd say I'm surprised that half of the people voting want Jose back, but I'm not. We've seen from the Lampard situation that people just want to cling on to what is familiar rather than look to the future, and that's a common human feeling. New things bring with them uncertainty and change can scare some people.But if you actually look at the composition of the squad and what we are trying to do in terms of what's on the pitch as well as long-term planning, I don't know how Guardiola isn't the best choice for the club.I suppose Mourinho is like the first love (in fact I'd say he was most people's first Chelsea manager) but with maturity comes the recognition that going back is usually a stupid fucking move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosnian Blue 2,471 Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 In May Chelsea rented several buses & parked them in front of their box, I read.Go and support Barcelona then, I'm sick of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Gino 377 Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 The next manager is Pep and say what you will of how good he had it in Barcelona, the same can be said of Mourinho and his past squads. Pep will do wonders at Chelsea and will design the squad to cope with the rigors of the EPL, not try to force a brand high on flair but short on results. Mourinho is more suited to PSG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucasRiver 31 Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 guardiola or mourinho.bielsa and simone? i'm argentine but i don't like it either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzchap 8,966 Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 I won't be surprised to see Rafa still here.Everybody talking about Pep, tat just depends on the current Barca manager (forget his name lol - that's how bothered about then I am)... But he's in a bad way with Chemo and Radioligy etc - so looks like Pep may be going back there...If that happens, we have another season of FSW and the likelihood that Pep will never want to leave...Don't want to argue with anybody, so please don't quote me - that's just my opinion - if you don't like it - unread it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nadavTKL 1,787 Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 A lot of that sounds like you just want us to go back in time to 2005 and are ignoring how his tenure ended.I'd say I'm surprised that half of the people voting want Jose back, but I'm not. We've seen from the Lampard situation that people just want to cling on to what is familiar rather than look to the future, and that's a common human feeling. New things bring with them uncertainty and change can scare some people.But if you actually look at the composition of the squad and what we are trying to do in terms of what's on the pitch as well as long-term planning, I don't know how Guardiola isn't the best choice for the club.I suppose Mourinho is like the first love (in fact I'd say he was most people's first Chelsea manager) but with maturity comes the recognition that going back is usually a stupid fucking move.You're wrong, i want Jose because i think he can make this squad play realy good football.This "what we are trying to do" thing that you mention quiet alot is not as simple as you might think, and it could mean alot of different things. Yes we brought Hazard, Mata and Oscar, but does it say we just have to go in this direction of "tiki taka" football and bring Pep? it is a possibility, a good one which i wouldnt mind at all and i would love us to play like that or anything that reminds that style, but its not the only possibility.And im not even talking about how wrong it is to bring the right manager for our current players and not the other way around like it needs to be. But, what im saying is that it isnt late- our squad as it is right now could go to different places- it only depends on the future manager and his philosophy, and the signings he will make. Our squad could turn into a Pep Guardiola's team, our squad could turn into a Jose Mourinho's team, and a Jurgen Klopp's team. Right now we are Rafa Benitez's team, and its closer to Jose's style than Pep's, just as an example.There isnt a real reason to think we are going directly towards Pep's style, expect the fact (1) we got some creative AM's lately ("we" means Michael Emenalo and whoever is in charge beside him), and (2) the big rumour in the media that Roman loves Pep and want us to play like Barcelona. Again, im not against it and i will be very excieted if he'll come, i just think it could go to different ways easily, just if we want to or if Pep dont want to come here (which is also possible imo).If you ask me why i preffer Jose than Pep? first i think Jose is a definite sucsses, and its something we need right now. I think we done alot of guessing lately (AVB, RDM), and bringing Pep is another one, with all the respect to him for what he did for Barcelona. Another thing is that i love Jose Mourinho's teams- the attitude, the commitment, the tactics, and i think that with the talent we have it could turn into something special. It wont be the same football that we played with him in the past, if thats what you scared of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amblève. 4,995 Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Whoever gets the job won't last long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Im not that sure about Mou. Im realy happy for what he did for us, but now he is just different person. Specialy in this season, he realy fucked up RM. Terrible results, shit play, benching Casillas, exuses,...he once was that love-hate person with great charisma, big entertainer, with his own methods. Bit arogant, but always for team. Now he looks on himself more, his charisma blend and his arrogance rised. It could be Real, but U think he realy doesnt give shit about that club. He just keeps doing weird things and cant pull the best of players. Modric was also terrible buy, while he still didnt fixed RB problem. Right now, with youth and all we have, he will come here and buy few new older players he wants and bench young ones. He never realy evolved talents into world class players (except at Porto maybe). He has Jese Rodrigues, Morata, Nacho,...but he just doesnt use them. Also he needed Rb and he sold castilla player Carvajal who could easily step in bigger role at RM. Right now we need player who has very good understanding towards young players. Someone who knows how to use them and be patient. Pep, Klopp, maybe De Boer from Ajax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corner 456 Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 I won't be surprised to see Rafa still here.Everybody talking about Pep, tat just depends on the current Barca manager (forget his name lol - that's how bothered about then I am)... But he's in a bad way with Chemo and Radioligy etc - so looks like Pep may be going back there...If that happens, we have another season of FSW and the likelihood that Pep will never want to leave...Don't want to argue with anybody, so please don't quote me - that's just my opinion - if you don't like it - unread it There's no truth in that at all mate. Just some really childish speculation by the media.Vilanova is breaking records with Barcelona this season and has had more points in the first half of the season than Pep ever had. He's doing extremely well. It's highly unlikely that Pep is going to go back and Vilanova will become his assistant again. Barca don't need Pep and Pep doesn't wants a break from football, followed by a new challenge.Also, Tito is recovering very well and has been at the last four training sessions and was in charge for Barca's game last night against Espanyol.Sorry for quoting you by the way, I know you said not to. But I'm not arguing... just clearing things up I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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