The Next Manager?

[Laylabelle 9,534]

The teams above us have got better and Man U and co would have to lose a few games and us not for us to even catch up...and Spurs shitty as they are still far ahead. I know it may help but we have nothing to win or gain this season so be intresting to see what they do now. If anything 

Edited January 12, 2023 by Laylabelle

[OneMoSalah 8,883]

Simeone leaving Atletico in the summer apparently - whats the bet we get him.

[Vegetable 830]

15 minutes ago, Superblue said:

Whatever people think, sacking Potter solves little at this moment in time. This was a group of players showing serious decline for months under Tuchel, with many showing the same problems of inconsistency and poor application under Lampard and Sarri before him. A new manager might get a bounce for a few games and then what? Will we see some of these players get a new contract or a fourth or fifth chance yet again. 

We're suffering from years of poor signings and planning, flip flopping from one manager with a certain style to another. It has an initial boost and then as soon as things get hard it's back to square one. 

We'll have the same problem this year as we did last in the league. We're not competing for anything so the right mentality won't be there for it.

Matt Law said we're desperate for leaders and he's bang on the money. It's not just about a Terry who will drag you into the trenches but we need players willing to lead the team with the mettle to get on the ball and show personality and courage to play. The freshness with how Felix played in the first half tonight just highlighted how stale this group of players have become. No one wants to assume responsibility with the exception of Thiago Silva who cannot impact the attack and is playing with car crash after car crash around him in the defence.

If we were in a much safer position I'd want Potter to start cutting some players out of the squad and playing more of the younger players but we're in a spot where we're a couple more results away from being dragged into a relegation battle this season. We're not 'too good', and if it were to happen I'd seriously worry that the majority of this squad wouldn't have the stomach and pride to fight their way out of it.

I'd agree with anything except the Potter part - his arrival didn't cause even the usual bounce while and his presence is only making the things worse. The problems are real and persistent, but having zero confidence in man at the wheel is emphasizing them even more. If we are striving for leaders, the manager should be the first of them while Potter doesn't seem to have a personality for this.

Also, we are constantly talking about stale group of players, but we actually did replace a large part of squad sice Conte… Azpi and Kante are actually most senior players we have, rest is sub 4 or 5 years here of what I recall. We need Mourinho-calibre of character to make this bunch a team or send them out into space. Also, we need very smart transfer business and it's not something that seems to be going on right now.

Edited January 12, 2023 by Vegetable

[Superblue 6,372]

Just now, didi007 said:

mourihno will kick the s... out of these softies. They need tough love!!!!

You don't think Tuchel would be demanding and showing a similar way of managing them? This is an extension on the last 9 months under Tuchel. 

This is now a full 12 months of crap football, mid table at best form across 2 different managers. At some point when are these players going to take a bit of responsibility?

 

[Fulham Broadway 17,299]

For the last 20 years if a manager isnt cutting it within a short time its sack time.

If the ownership decide Potter is long term, paralleled with mid table mediocrity, I can see a lot of our fans demonstrating worse than United did about the Glazers.

[Superblue 6,372]

4 minutes ago, Vegetable said:

I'd agree with anything except the Potter part - his arrival didn't cause even the usual bounce while and his presence is only making the things worse. The problems are real and persistent, but having zero confidence in man at the wheel is emphasizing them even more. If we are striving for leaders, the manager should be the first of them while Potter doesn't seem to have a personality for this.

Also, we are constantly talking about stale group of players, but we actually did replace a large part of squad sice Conte… Azpi and Kante are actually most senior players we have, rest is sub 4 or 5 years here of what I recall. We need Mourinho-calibre of character to make this bunch a team or send them out into space. Also, we need very smart transfer business and it's not something that seems to be going on right now.

Didn't we go something like 8 or 10 games unbeaten under Potter across the league and Champions League?

And on point 2 it just highlights the shambles of our transfer activity in the last few years. Especially when our squad has been either beefed up or some solid funds raised from academy players. Our inability to build around that makes it even worse.

[OneMoSalah 8,883]

7 minutes ago, Vegetable said:

I'd agree with anything except the Potter part - his arrival didn't cause even the usual bounce while and his presence is only making the things worse. The problems are real and persistent, but having zero confidence in man at the wheel is emphasizing them even more. If we are striving for leaders, the manager should be the first of them while Potter doesn't seem to have a personality for this.

Also, we are constantly talking about stale group of players, but we actually did replace a large part of squad sice Conte… Azpi and Kante are actually most senior players we have, rest is sub 4 or 5 years here of what I recall. We need Mourinho-calibre of character to make this bunch a team or send them out into space. 

100%

It doesnt matter what walk of life your from or sport or business etc your in, leaders are developed and if the guy at the top of the food chain doesn’t inspire/lead well then its ultimately not going to work.

Is it any wonder why guys like Azpi, Jorginho, Kante etc all of a sudden developed huge leadership qualities under Conte and Tuchel? No, its not, because both managers had huge personalities and were leaders themselves. They clearly had an influence. I don’t see Potter having a positive influence on anybody.

3 minutes ago, Superblue said:

You don't think Tuchel would be demanding and showing a similar way of managing them? This is an extension on the last 9 months under Tuchel. 

This is now a full 12 months of crap football, mid table at best form across 2 different managers. At some point when are these players going to take a bit of responsibility?

 

The football under Tuchel wasn't quite as bad compared to this. It wasn’t great, but it wasn’t necessarily this bad. For me, its only because Potter played good football at Brighton that it always seems to be used as the stick to beat TT’s difficult spell here with. 

Edited January 12, 2023 by OneMoSalah

[Vesper 30,085]

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[HEREIAM 83]

If Potter is sacked after Palace sunday, then i think Enrique or even JM should be given the job, with maybe Terry as assistant

[Special Juan 28,095]

The Mourinho ship has sailed, it's not tough love they need, they are bunch lightweight pandered too pussies the lot of them.

They have threw the towel in and Potter is getting the blame- their performances have been utterly shocking.

[lucio 5,418]

12 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

The Mourinho ship has sailed, it's not tough love they need, they are bunch lightweight pandered too pussies the lot of them.

They have threw the towel in and Potter is getting the blame- their performances have been utterly shocking.

Always comes from the top down , they aren't having confidence instilled in them, it's not like these players have secret meetings and decide to get the coach sacked 

[Costa19 858]

10 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

The Mourinho ship has sailed, it's not tough love they need, they are bunch lightweight pandered too pussies the lot of them.

They have threw the towel in and Potter is getting the blame- their performances have been utterly shocking.

I have been saying Potter out a couple of times but im not sure anymore.
The next manager, whoever it would be, would still have 11 injured players on his list.
The next manager would also face the destiny of underperforming and conceding players.

And we would be back on square one again.

Maybe, just maybe its time to give a manager the backing through a very rough period and step by step rebuilding the squad and replacing the rotten apples with younger, more motivated and better technical players. 

[Pizy 18,850]

Mourinho is finished as a top manager for a big club with sustainable success ambitions. He shouldn’t even be remotely close to consideration. Just a couple of days ago I saw quotes from him lamenting how out of touch he is with modern players. 

There is currently no clear candidate available that’s a no-brainer. Every high profile manager that’s currently out of work has red flags and all would be nearly as risky as Potter was. Pochettino is probably the only one I’d be fairly confident about being able to adapt quickly.

[Special Juan 28,095]

8 minutes ago, lucio said:

Always comes from the top down , they aren't having confidence instilled in them, it's not like these players have secret meetings and decide to get the coach sacked 

I bet you Potter is doing his utmost to instill confidence,  these players have a duty to represent and fight for the badge and have simply chucked the towel in. Potter will get sacked and the players win again. 

The players attitude and application is pissing me off and not Potter. The players have got us in this position because their attitude and fight is none existent 

[didi007 69]

1 minute ago, Costa19 said:

I have been saying Potter out a couple of times but im not sure anymore.
The next manager, whoever it would be, would still have 11 injured players on his list.
The next manager would also face the destiny of underperforming and conceding players.

And we would be back on square one again.

Maybe, just maybe its time to give a manager the backing through a very rough period and step by step rebuilding the squad and replacing the rotten apples with younger, more motivated and better technical players. 

That could take years or decades. And you still need the right coach for the rebuild. Arteta for all his faults won the FA cup in his first season. That was a positive sign.