The Next Manager?

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Hasenhüttl has that fire in the belly

 

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I'm not going to lie...if we appoint Hasenhüttl I'll be gassed. That's a coach I'll back fully.

Because?

First time in your life you back a coach?

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5 hours ago, Jype said:

Maybe, but new manager bounce is still a thing that exists. If things get stale under current management, it usually helps just to make the change even if it's only for a breath of fresh air and a few new ideas in the short term. 

Of course I wouldn't sack Lampard just to get someone like Shevchenko in immediately but if Lampard gets some more time to turn things around and it doesn't work out, no proper manager will take the job just for the sake of 2-3 months if appointed in February or March and that's where a coach like Sheva could come in and try to scrape a European spot in whatever time is left in the season before appointing a more permanent manager in the summer. In those kind of situations the interim coach is typically someone who's more used to an assistant role with very little managerial experience so a full-time national team manager would fit the bill quite nicely if it comes to that.

But if Lampard is sacked in the next couple of weeks there are probably better and more experienced options to consider. 

If we are gonna go for the new manager bounce, at least maybe hire someone better than Shevchenko? Someone maybe with more experience or at least knows the league as a manager? 

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10 hours ago, Mana said:

Because Hasenhüttl's teams play good attacking football. PL proven. Has actual experience. He has made Southampton a club fearful. Lampard's Chelsea would quiver to Southampton, that's reality I'm afraid.

No, not my first time??? But it will be for years though.

You will support Hasenhuttl for years? How sure are you that you're not gonna turn against him after a run of bad results? Would you have kept him after that 9-0 loss to Leicester had you been a Southampton fan?  

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Don't really understand why we're talking about Hasenhüttl - no chance he will leave his team mid season (any manager for that matter unless they're managing a small club)

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30 minutes ago, DANILA said:

Don't really understand why we're talking about Hasenhüttl - no chance he will leave his team mid season (any manager for that matter unless they're managing a small club)

Sorry, I introduced him here in a very strong manner. 
 

We are Chelsea -  we have a remarkable pull towards a coach of Southampton. It‘s not impossible that he comes to us - especially as someone who loves to work with youngsters, Furthermore, Hasenhüttl already trained Werner at Leipzig. So why not a reunion?

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29 minutes ago, DANILA said:

Don't really understand why we're talking about Hasenhüttl - no chance he will leave his team mid season (any manager for that matter unless they're managing a small club)

I mean, Southampton are a small club. But yeah, no chance he jumps ship midseason.

Though if we were to sack Frank, offer him the job, and he declines he may not get another chance at a truly massive club again any time soon. As well as Southampton are doing the chance to manage Chelsea with the crazy talent we have to work with has to be tempting. He would probably turn into a villain instantly if he left now.

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he will surely get another chance at a bigger club if he continues like this.

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Going back in this thread for names - Nagelsmann, Hassenhuttl, Rodgers, Tuchel, Allegri, Enrique,.

They would get more out of this squad than Lampard but is there someone who can build a winning machine or has the potential to?

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I might be heavily biased, I for some reason thought Frank could/would be our SAF! And some part of just doesn't want him seen gone for couple of reasons:

1. Players have always dictated manager's fate when it should be the other way around.

2. We have turned into a very impatient lot!

3. Sacking Lampard would mean that we would go back to old ways of band aid fix: sack managers, panic buy/sell players, win one trophy or two, fans complaining about youngsters not getting a chance, us not playing good football, rinse and repeat.

But that is just me being too optimistic about Lampard hoping he can turn things around and some how get his act together and be a great english manager (well atleast I can dream!)

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Someone's been really busy briefing the media about Lampard's future...

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/jan/04/frank-lampard-to-be-given-time-to-turn-things-around-at-chelsea

Frank Lampard is to be given time to prove he deserves to stay in his post as Chelsea’s manager despite growing alarm behind the scenes about performances and the club’s board being alerted to Thomas Tuchel’s interest in the job if it becomes available.

Chelsea’s faltering title challenge suffered another setback when they lost 3-1 at home against Manchester City on Sunday, putting Lampard in danger of being sacked before the end of his second season in charge. Although the humiliating defeat by City is unlikely to result in the 42-year-old being dismissed, he is under mounting pressure and the hierarchy could be forced to act if they fear Champions League qualification slipping from their grasp.

Tuchel, who led Paris Saint-Germain to the Champions League final last season before being sacked by the French champions last month, has been put forward as a potential replacement.

The pressure on Lampard has grown following a run of four defeats in six games, leaving the board increasingly concerned about the team’s lack of progress this season. Roman Abramovich, the owner, gave Lampard over £200m to spend on signings last summer but Chelsea lie in eighth place after 17 games. They are seven points behind Liverpool in first place and, unless their form improves, face a fight to finish in the top four.

It is believed Lampard, whose contract runs out in the summer of 2022, retains Chelsea’s backing for now. Conscious of his legendary status at Stamford Bridge, the club would prefer not to act hastily with their former midfielder. Lampard fared well after replacing Maurizio Sarri in the summer of 2019, overcoming a transfer ban to qualify for the Champions League and reach the FA Cup final. He also earned plaudits for promoting Chelsea’s young players.

Chelsea are prepared to give Lampard an opportunity to reverse the slide, especially with the top half of the Premier League table so cramped. They are due to host Morecambe in the third round of the FA Cup on Sunday, though the tie could be postponed as a result of a Covid-19 outbreak at the League Two club, before a trip to Fulham on Friday week offers a chance to return to winning ways in the league.

Yet expectations are higher this season. Although there is an acceptance that injuries to key players have made the task harder, Lampard’s inexperience has shown at times. He is in only his third season of management – he had a year with Derby in the Championship before returning to Chelsea – and although he still enjoys support from the dressing room his approach has been questioned privately by some players.

There is concern that Lampard is yet to hit upon his best starting XI and has struggled to integrate Kai Havertz and Timo Werner following their big-money moves from the Bundesliga. Havertz, who has found it hard since testing positive for coronavirus in November, started on the bench against City, who led 3-0 at half-time, while eyebrows were raised at Lampard’s decision to start Werner at centre-forward instead of Olivier Giroud or Tammy Abraham.

Werner has gone 13 games without a goal and rarely troubled City’s defence, while Lampard’s use of Callum Hudson-Odoi was also called into question. There was surprise when Christian Pulisic and Hakim Ziyech, who has just returned from a hamstring injury, started on the flanks instead of Hudson-Odoi, who had impressed in recent outings and scored Chelsea’s consolation after coming off the bench.

Chelsea’s approach was exposed by City and it is understood that some within the dressing room believe the team do not have a clear identity under Lampard, who criticised his players in public after the Boxing Day defeat against Arsenal.

However, the lack of clear alternatives could buy Lampard time. It is believed Chelsea’s top choice was Mauricio Pochettino before the former Tottenham manager replaced Tuchel at PSG.

Tuchel boasts a stronger pedigree than Lampard and took PSG to the edge of European glory before losing August’s Champions League final against Bayern Munich 1-0. Yet while the German has a reputation for playing attacking football, he struggled to cope with the internal politics at PSG.

Julian Nagelsmann is another option, though the 33-year-old German is unlikely to want to leave RB Leipzig until the summer. Max Allegri, the former Juventus manager, is also out of work and has been linked with the job.

The picture will become clearer in the coming weeks. After facing Morecambe and Fulham, Chelsea will want to see how Lampard fares in league games against Leicester, Burnley, Wolves and Tottenham. The first leg of Chelsea’s last-16 tie against Atlético Madrid in the Champions League next month could also be pivotal in deciding his future.

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54 minutes ago, bluephoenix said:

I might be heavily biased, I for some reason thought Frank could/would be our SAF! And some part of just doesn't want him seen gone for couple of reasons:

1. Players have always dictated manager's fate when it should be the other way around.

2. We have turned into a very impatient lot!

3. Sacking Lampard would mean that we would go back to old ways of band aid fix: sack managers, panic buy/sell players, win one trophy or two, fans complaining about youngsters not getting a chance, us not playing good football, rinse and repeat.

But that is just me being too optimistic about Lampard hoping he can turn things around and some how get his act together and be a great english manager (well atleast I can dream!)

Let's face it, there will never be another Sir Alex Ferguson at a big club again. Managers don't last more than 3 or 4 seasons at such a club in modern football and if a manager happens to stay that long or longer, there's a high chance that his message, voice etc won't have the same impact on the players as before. We saw it with Guardiola at Barcelona, Klopp at Dortmund and those two seem to be experiencing the same issue perhaps right now at Man City and Liverpool respectively for example.

I don't think it's the players who are dictating the manager's fate this time. We no longer have a group of players with a big ego and all that. The main problem we have now is Lampard. It's all good preaching patience and I don't think anyone is against it but we also need to see progression on the pitch. Lampard can't be spending over 200 million on new players and have us doing worse than last season - e.g. being 3 points worse off than at the same stage last season. We are also 18 months, not 18 weeks, into his tenure at the club and we have no real style of play, no identity, no clear tactical idea of what we are trying to do on the pitch. It's alarming to see that our football was more enjoyable in Lampard's first 6 months than all the nonsense thrown up since then. We can't have players like Ziyech, Havertz, Werner, Pulisic etc and then have the team just spam high crosses into the box (I really want to know what did Lampard say to Havertz/Werner/Ziyech when he persuaded them to join us because I don't believe for one second that 'spamming crosses' football is the vision he sold to them). That's not modern football. That's football from the 90s. That's football played by sides like Burnley and West Brom, not a big club with the ambition to win big titles. We also can't be yo-yo-ing between two extremes in our performances after 18 months under Lampard. When we are good, we are good but when we are bad, we are very bad. There doesn't seem to be a middle ground with us. How many draws or defeats under Lampard can we really say "yeah, we played well in that game but were unlucky not to win because we didn't our chances etc"? Granted they aren't wins but every draw and every defeat under Lampard has felt very demoralizing. It always feels like we are going backwards whenever we draw or lose. Lampard said the aim is to close the gap on Liverpool and Man City but based on recent evidence, we look to be even further away from those two and that can't be happening after spending all the money that we have in the summer. 

On top of that, Lampard's inexperience and failure to react or learn from his mistakes quickly are also proving to be a problem. Inexperience can be excused if that person is a quick learner but Lampard doesn't seem to realize it or capable of it. For example, it's clear that the 4-3-3 hasn't been working for weeks now but nothing has changed. He still tries to play the system, play players that don't necessarily fit the system and just hope it will work. It's maddening. Or another example, we consistently pick up random injuries (mostly muscle related) after a free week and we tend to play badly in games after a free week because Lampard is seemingly overtraining the players but neither he nor his coaching staff seem to be noticing that trend/problem. Lampard has just kept going with it despite the same issue appearing every time. Then there's also the fact that his in-game management is questionable. He doesn't react quickly enough to opposition's tactical changes or when they are dominating us and the team need help/guidance/leadership. His changes lately have also been almost like-for-like, a bit like what Sarri used to do with Kovacic-Barkley sub etc. It's bad enough that Lampard is inexperienced and is facing all this situation and problems the first time but it's also compounded by the fact that his coaching staff are also inexperienced at the highest level. Lampard has no one to fall back on and ask for advice when the going gets tough. Combine that with a young/inexperienced team like ours, it's essentially the blind leading the blind. 

[bluephoenix 1,126]

Let's face it, there will never be another Sir Alex Ferguson at a big club again. Managers don't last more than 3 or 4 seasons at such a club in modern football and if a manager happens to stay that long or longer, there's a high chance that his message, voice etc won't have the same impact on the players as before. We saw it with Guardiola at Barcelona, Klopp at Dortmund and those two seem to be experiencing the same issue perhaps right now at Man City and Liverpool respectively for example.
I don't think it's the players who are dictating the manager's fate this time. We no longer have a group of players with a big ego and all that. The main problem we have now is Lampard. It's all good preaching patience and I don't think anyone is against it but we also need to see progression on the pitch. Lampard can't be spending over 200 million on new players and have us doing worse than last season - e.g. being 3 points worse off than at the same stage last season. We are also 18 months, not 18 weeks, into his tenure at the club and we have no real style of play, no identity, no clear tactical idea of what we are trying to do on the pitch. It's alarming to see that our football was more enjoyable in Lampard's first 6 months than all the nonsense thrown up since then. We can't have players like Ziyech, Havertz, Werner, Pulisic etc and then have the team just spam high crosses into the box (I really want to know what did Lampard say to Havertz/Werner/Ziyech when he persuaded them to join us because I don't believe for one second that 'spamming crosses' football is the vision he sold to them). That's not modern football. That's football from the 90s. That's football played by sides like Burnley and West Brom, not a big club with the ambition to win big titles. We also can't be yo-yo-ing between two extremes in our performances after 18 months under Lampard. When we are good, we are good but when we are bad, we are very bad. There doesn't seem to be a middle ground with us. How many draws or defeats under Lampard can we really say "yeah, we played well in that game but were unlucky not to win because we didn't our chances etc"? Granted they aren't wins but every draw and every defeat under Lampard has felt very demoralizing. It always feels like we are going backwards whenever we draw or lose. Lampard said the aim is to close the gap on Liverpool and Man City but based on recent evidence, we look to be even further away from those two and that can't be happening after spending all the money that we have in the summer. 
On top of that, Lampard's inexperience and failure to react or learn from his mistakes quickly are also proving to be a problem. Inexperience can be excused if that person is a quick learner but Lampard doesn't seem to realize it or capable of it. For example, it's clear that the 4-3-3 hasn't been working for weeks now but nothing has changed. He still tries to play the system, play players that don't necessarily fit the system and just hope it will work. It's maddening. Or another example, we consistently pick up random injuries (mostly muscle related) after a free week and we tend to play badly in games after a free week because Lampard is seemingly overtraining the players but neither he nor his coaching staff seem to be noticing that trend/problem. Lampard has just kept going with it despite the same issue appearing every time. Then there's also the fact that his in-game management is questionable. He doesn't react quickly enough to opposition's tactical changes or when they are dominating us and the team need help/guidance/leadership. His changes lately have also been almost like-for-like, a bit like what Sarri used to do with Kovacic-Barkley sub etc. It's bad enough that Lampard is inexperienced and is facing all this situation and problems the first time but it's also compounded by the fact that his coaching staff are also inexperienced at the highest level. Lampard has no one to fall back on and ask for advice when the going gets tough. Combine that with a young/inexperienced team like ours, it's essentially the blind leading the blind. 

Makes sense!

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19 hours ago, ZaynChelsea said:

Sorry, I introduced him here in a very strong manner. 
 

We are Chelsea -  we have a remarkable pull towards a coach of Southampton. It‘s not impossible that he comes to us - especially as someone who loves to work with youngsters, Furthermore, Hasenhüttl already trained Werner at Leipzig. So why not a reunion?

I'm sorry but last night's actions put me off him, it's so small time to act like that over a mere 3 points even against the Champions.

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I hope Tuchel signs a new contract soon, he came in and saved our season.

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On 05/01/2021 at 19:34, Tomo said:

I'm sorry but last night's actions put me off him, it's so small time to act like that over a mere 3 points even against the Champions.

It was not beating Pool, it was finally beating Klopp. Long history there. 20 years or so.