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[OhForAGreavsie 5,869]

2 hours ago, Vesper said:

he won the War of 1812

No he didn't. 🙂

At best it could be said that the US played out a draw but even that is not really true. Britain achieved its aim of holding on to its remaining North American colonies and had enforced a naval blockade which was strangling the US. The fact that the US did not suffer punitive terms in the Treaty of Ghent was more to do with the fact that the British people hated the war. They saw it as a waste of money at a time when the nation's real enemy was Napoleon. Even after he abdicated there was no British enthusiasm for the war of 1812. Of course he would soon be back from Elba anyway to grab all of Britain's attention once more.

The fact that the US won the last big battle of the war gave rise to the idea that they had achieved overall victory but this is not so. In fact the battle of New Orleans was fought after the peace treaty had been arranged. In the board rooms of Ghent the US negotiated terms that looked like a draw, but on the pitch they were beaten.

Edited July 27, 2022 by OhForAGreavsie

[Jype 6,398]

6 hours ago, Hermione said:

What's the difference from Kounde and his own surgery? 

Are you seriously comparing an 8 month leg break and a minor surgery to help with a slight discomfort where the operation was knowingly scheduled for when the season was over so the player wouldn't miss any games?

It's like talking to a child. 

[Blues Forever 1,232]

2 hours ago, Clockwork said:

Pau Torres gets a lot of hate here, but he is quality. Arguably the best passing CB out there. He is like Christensen but without being big bitch.

He is like slower Christensen, nothing special about Torres aside his passing.

[YorkshireBlue 3,118]

11 minutes ago, Blues Forever said:

He is like slower Christensen, nothing special about Torres aside his passing.

When some 1 describes a CB as nothing special aside his passing that's surely a red flag! Surely DEFENDING should be his something special no?

[Magic Lamps 11,635]

3 hours ago, Vesper said:

Maddison v Madison

and

Madison is considered one of the top 10 or so  US presidents, and was the chief architect of the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights

as Sec of State, under President Thomas Jefferson he was the force, in 1803, behind the Louisiana Purchase

 

he won the War of 1812 and ushered in The Era of Good Feelings in 1815, which James Monroe then took to its peak

 

James Buchanan (right before Lincoln), a true piece of shit whose bungling was a major factor leading to the the Civil War 

Andrew Johnson (Lincolns' VP when Lincoln was assassinated) was utter shit (sold out the blacks and ended Reconstruction), and until Clinton and Trump, was the only POTUS ever impeached

(to name just two in the 19th century, there were many far worse then as well) were both a million times worse

add in Trump and Warren Harding

and you have by FAR the worst 4 POTUS's in American history

 

1 hour ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

No he didn't. 🙂

At best it could be said that the US played out a draw but even that is not really true. Britain achieved its aim of holding on to its remaining North American colonies and had enforced a naval blockade which was strangling the US. The fact that the US did not suffer punitive terms in the Treaty of Ghent was more to do with the fact that the British people hated the war. They saw it as a waste of money at a time when the nation's real enemy was Napoleon. Even after he abdicated there was no British enthusiasm for the war of 1812. Of course he would soon be back from Elba anyway to grab all of Britain's attention once more.

The fact that the US won the last big battle of the war gave rise to the idea that they had achieved overall victory but this is not so. In fact the battle of New Orleans was fought after the peace treaty had been arranged. In the board rooms of Ghent the US negotiated terms that looked like a draw, but on the pitch they were beaten.

Was about to post the same

war of 1812 was Madisons Vietnam 

entirely avoidable and entirely his fault 

Even a draw is quite a stretch. The main reasons for the war declared by Madison beside the naval blockade and the force recruiting by the British was the abolishment of slavery in the British empire which spilled over to the US. but Madison wanted to keep his slaves. Also he started a bonkers invasion of Canada which ultimately failed. uS suffered multiple times more losses tha UK, major US cities, Washington and the White House were destroyed. The stupid war threw USA off quite a bit and overrode many of his  achievements. 

Louisiana purchase was smart bc dirt cheap but he was not president back then 

as influential a figure madison was before, his presidency was a failure IMO

also how is being architect of the the constitution a pro. The constitution is a not worth the paper it’s written on. It’s the one of the main reasons American democracy is failing. But that is a topic for another thread 

johnson and Buchanan were terrible as well tho that’s true  

Edited July 27, 2022 by Magic Lamps

[Marvin123 484]

Can we stick to transfer news or rumours please

[Blues Forever 1,232]

21 minutes ago, Kong said:

When some 1 describes a CB as nothing special aside his passing that's surely a red flag! Surely DEFENDING should be his something special no?

Defending definitely isn't his main strength.  

[Magic Lamps 11,635]

7 minutes ago, Marvin123 said:

Can we stick to transfer news or rumours please

Which news? 
when journos pull the name Kane out of their nose You know this is all fabrication to keep the mill going 

[milka 3,335]

Once upon a time in Chelsea ...

[chelsea_4_eva 1,157]

10 days till the start of the new season. 

[YorkshireBlue 3,118]

52 minutes ago, Blues Forever said:

Defending definitely isn't his main strength.  

That's not ideal for a centre half lmao 

[Jype 6,398]

1 hour ago, Hermione said:

Surgery is surgery and both of them had it. Funnily enough one already recovered from it, played again and was alright whereas the other just had it and we don't know how he is. Also how exactly was his surgery so minor when he needed 4 weeks to recover from his pelvis.

My point is people talk about Fofana's injury as if he didn't came back already and was already delivering the goods against us thus him being a target for us but the same people we're all desperate and joyful out of a sudden for Kounde to come in despite needing a surgery just a few weeks ago.

"Surgery is surgery"

That's like saying a nose job from a plastic surgeon is comparative to an open heart surgery, right?

[Tomo 21,730]

2 hours ago, Kong said:

When some 1 describes a CB as nothing special aside his passing that's surely a red flag! Surely DEFENDING should be his something special no?

There's more than one way to skin a cat. Breaking a high press is a big form of defending in this modern game.

[YorkshireBlue 3,118]

20 minutes ago, Tomo said:

There's more than one way to skin a cat. Breaking a high press is a big form of defending in this modern game.

That would still come under the category defending lol. 100% I'd rather have a big strong bastard who can throw these little strikers of the ball, put in strong challenges and have an presence in the air than just some 1 who can pass a ball.

Edited July 27, 2022 by Kong

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[Jype 6,398]

53 minutes ago, Kong said:

That would still come under the category defending lol. 100% I'd rather have a big strong bastard who can throw these little strikers of the ball, put in strong challenges and have an presence in the air than just some 1 who can pass a ball.

You just basically described Kurt Zouma and he was sold because those attributes didn't make him a good enough defender for what Tuchel and pretty much every modern top manager wants from his defenders.

If a team is looking to control the game and rarely needs to have defenders pull some last ditch tackles or constantly clearing crosses in the air, having a defender who's 10/10 in defending and 6/10 with the ball on his feet is nowadays considered worse than someone who's a solid 8/10 at both. 

That's not me saying anything about Pau Torres btw, just a general observation.

Edited July 27, 2022 by Jype

[Superblue 6,370]

Fofana looks a real talent, but do have to keep a little eye on his injury record beyond that leg break.

Season before that I think he missed around 8 - 10 games for Leicester and the season before that in France he missed 10 - 12 games too.

As a developing young player he's likely to pick up small strains and niggles, etc but it is something to just consider.

[Superblue 6,370]

1 minute ago, Jype said:

You just basically described Kurt Zouma and he was sold because those attributes didn't make him a good enough defender for what Tuchel and pretty much every modern top manager wants from his defenders.

If a team is looking to control the game and rarely needs to have defenders pull some last ditch tackles or constantly clearing crosses in the air, having a defender who's 10/10 in defending and 6/10 with the ball on his feet is nowadays considered worse than someone who's a solid 8/10 at both. 

I would agree. The question is Pau Torres 8/10 in both or is he in the opposite category where he's 10/10 on the ball but only 6/10 defending?