Chelsea Transfers

[Clockwork 1,794]

9 minutes ago, Kong said:

Problem TT has is he working with like 3 different managers players. That's always been the problem with just sacking managers you end up with the massive sqaud of useless players. When I say useless I mean don't fit the current managers play style. Jorginho for instance was bought by sarri to play his way, now he's just a 50mill back passer.

Jorginho was the preferred choice for both Klopp and Pep before he came with Sarri, he is a fine player which every important manager rates including Tuchel. 
 

what is 3 different managers players, what exactly is a Tuchel type player? 

[nyikolajevics 2,690]

17 minutes ago, Tomo said:

That I can agree with.

Will be hard to totally stick with a trio in a world cup year but I'd try and use four (for me assuming we sign no one else Sterling, Kai, CHO and Mount) for the bulk of the minutes and have a 5th (whoever out of the rest don't get their move) behind that.

Agree. No wonder City and Liverpool are so strong now. They have been working with same top manager for 6-7 years, their squad are now adjusted as for their wishes.

We can reach the same with Tuchel, just need to stick with him after weaker seasons too and try to get him who he wants.

[Thor 2,693]

1 hour ago, nyikolajevics said:

Agree. No wonder City and Liverpool are so strong now. They have been working with same top manager for 6-7 years, their squad are now adjusted as for their wishes.

We can reach the same with Tuchel, just need to stick with him after weaker seasons too and try to get him who he wants.

Exactly... He came in and delivered a CL already... lets be honest. We are capable of pretty great things under him. What we achieved with what I considered a significantly weaker squad than Liverpool and Man City is impressive. 

Give him time with an owner who backs him. 

[Strike 7,478]

2 hours ago, Tomo said:

That I can agree with.

Will be hard to totally stick with a trio in a world cup year but I'd try and use four (for me assuming we sign no one else Sterling, Kai, CHO and Mount) for the bulk of the minutes and have a 5th (whoever out of the rest don't get their move) behind that.

I'm in favor of keeping Broja around as Kai backup too. The Giroud style option to throw on in games and start the occasional game in cups, CL

[Strike 7,478]

3 hours ago, Superblue_1986 said:

I'm not advocating Ake, but a lot of people felt the same way about Rudiger when he waltzed back into the team when Tuchel came in.

Christensen stepped up, Chalobah stepped up, a 37 year old Thiago Silva looked about 25 years old.

I trust Tuchel and the system he uses to bring the best out of the defence and whilst I think there are better options available I do think Ake's skillset is well suited to a back 3.

Ake interest is also down to lack of left footed CBs on the market

Tuchel really likes Kimpembe, Gvardiol but they're not on the market. Bastoni is not interested, Pau Torres is expensive, terrible. Other PL clubs targeting Botman, Lisandro Martinez. 

I think De Ligt Silva Ake with Chalobah, Colwill Azpi (?) rotating will be the defense. Ake replaces Chris and Azpi drops to Malang Sarr role.

Two experienced players, two in their prime, two young players looking for a break. There is also Reece who Tuchel likes at RCB

[bigbluewillie 1,930]

8 hours ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

There seems to be a pattern developing that Tuchel’s input was not being taken serious. Tuchel wants De Ligt and Marina wanted to finish her deal to acquire Kounde. It seems that in every instance that there is a major difference, Boehly is backing Tuchel and showing people the door, or allowing them to leave immediately that want to challenge Tuchel’s idea of what the team should be. I hope the players are aware of this.

I'm liking this guy more and more.

[YorkshireBlue 3,268]

6 hours ago, Clockwork said:

Jorginho was the preferred choice for both Klopp and Pep before he came with Sarri, he is a fine player which every important manager rates including Tuchel. 
 

what is 3 different managers players, what exactly is a Tuchel type player? 

You will find out when he buys one, if we believe Marina left cech etc for picking players then he's never bought a "Tuchel Player" 

Edited June 28, 2022 by Kong

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12 hours ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

There seems to be a pattern developing that Tuchel’s input was not being taken serious. Tuchel wants De Ligt and Marina wanted to finish her deal to acquire Kounde. It seems that in every instance that there is a major difference, Boehly is backing Tuchel and showing people the door, or allowing them to leave immediately that want to challenge Tuchel’s idea of what the team should be. I hope the players are aware of this.

In this summer's case, I agree Marina and Cech made the wrong call trying to keep Lukaku when the man himself was driving himself out.

But long term, I don't think its a good idea for Tuchel to be leading recruitment. Get a director figure who will allow Tuchel to concentrate on tactics, organising the team. There are times when a coach's judgement on recruitment is also clouded - Conte signing Zappacosta, Mourinho trading KdB, Salah.

[Vesper 30,123]

16 hours ago, Blues Forever said:

Barcelona latest offer to Dembele is €6m net/year + €1.5m in bonus to player for extension. There won't be any bonus for his agent.

that is only (gross) around (at current FOREX) £198.8K PW and a £1.29m signing bonus, no agent add-ons

a MASSIVE pay-cut for him

Edited June 28, 2022 by Vesper

[Jype 6,398]

8 hours ago, Tomo said:

I mean, I wouldn't want Ake as our marquee defensive signing but if he's coming with MDL i wouldn't mind it too much.

He ups the average age of our defense and it offers Colwill a realistic pathway if he deserves it.

That's what I'm thinking. Aké together with someone like MDL could be decent. I don't think expecting the club to sign two marquee players for CB in one summer is realistic because there are concerns elsewhere on the pitch too that need addressing, and then there's of course the Colwill situation to think about as well. 

Aké-Silva-MDL with Colwill and Chalobah in reserve doesn't sound too bad. I don't necessarily think Aké is good enough to be a starter in a title pushing side but at least in the short term having him and Colwill for the LCB role would give the club some breathing room and we could see what Colwill is made of before deciding whether a long-term high profile CB needs to be signed on the left side or not (ie. Gvardiol).

[Vesper 30,123]

9 hours ago, Tomo said:

One of Ten Hag's first actions in his first United presser was to suck off Harry Maguire.

They invested in Varane last summer and bizarrely are dead set in making Maguire work, CB is the last place they're investing in certainly for the price it would take for MDL.

the more Manure sticks with slabhead, praises slabhead, nurtures and coddles slabhead, the happier I am

[Vesper 30,123]

9 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

How he got a move to City in the first place I will never understand

Because Pep saw him as a hybrid CB/LB, as LB has been a nightmare for Citeh until they got Cancelo, who is a bit like a poor man's Maldini (a right footer who is superb as a LB, although Maldini was far more ambipedal than Cancelo, and a far better player overall, the best combo defensive back (as he also was a top 10 all-time CB) in football history, and for me the 2nd best defensive back ever, after Franz Beckenbauer, and that call is a close run thing)

[OneMoSalah 8,885]

8 hours ago, Thor said:

Not sure what people have against buying off City, or any other great team if the player is on the bench. 

 

With the amount of talent they have, and some other teams, the bench players can be great pieces, or players that haven't gotten a proper chance due to not fitting the current system. Kovacic is a great example of this. I'm sure Salah isn't that good either who was sitting on our bench. KDB too. Why did Liverpool and City ever buy them... 

 

Ake is a nice piece. Not sure if he is what puts us over the top, but clearly a capable player and could shine. 

Its not about buying off City, its about the fact Ake is a very average footballer and doesn’t upgrade or replace what we lost in Andreas and Toni. Utility/squad player maybe he’d do that role but is he going to trade one bench for another one potentially?

[Superblue 6,372]

48 minutes ago, Strike said:

In this summer's case, I agree Marina and Cech made the wrong call trying to keep Lukaku when the man himself was driving himself out.

But long term, I don't think its a good idea for Tuchel to be leading recruitment. Get a director figure who will allow Tuchel to concentrate on tactics, organising the team. There are times when a coach's judgement on recruitment is also clouded - Conte signing Zappacosta, Mourinho trading KdB, Salah.

The importance is putting a plan in place throughout the club.

There's never been a trend with our managerial appointments for starters, which is why we're so regularly left with so many players ill suited to the man in situ. Just look at the last 4 managers - we've gone from a back 3 counter attacking system, to a progressive back 4 system, to Lampard trying to play rock and roll football, back to Tuchel's back 3 but in a more possession, controlled based approach compared to Conte's system.

When Klopp and Pep both walked in they made a lot of changes and were backed to let players leave who had cost the clubs big money. Finally backing a manager who has already been here for the last 18 months is frankly what we've cried out for ages. I'm hoping over the next summer or two the decks will be swept and a number of players that no longer fit the club will be moved on.

Moving forward with the recruitment, there needs to be synergy between the director of football and the manager. But then in the event Tuchel moves on in the future, we need to ensure then our recruitment of our next manager is also suited to the group of players at the club rather than simply bringing in the next 'flavour of the month' manager.

In turn if there's an ethos and philosophy running throughout the club with regards to recruitment, coaching, etc this will also help the academy in developing players for the first team, rather than changing formation and styles every year to try and mirror the first team. We're fortunate to get Reece James and Mason Mount, players with the potential of being pillars of the club's foundation for the next decade. The academy isn't just going to churn out players of that quality at will, but it is and should continue to be capable of bringing through players to play squad roles in the first team and fill positions that otherwise we'd have to spend potentially tens of millions to cover (Chalobah, potentially Gallagher, Colwill, Broja, etc).

There's very much a sense of the unknown here and it is quite a daunting prospect of life after Roman, but some changes have been needed for a long time with regards to the recruitment, scouting structure and long term planning around the club and I'm hoping that the new ownership gets this right.

[Mário César 1,249]