Chelsea Transfers

[King Kante 1,524]

11 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Tbf I disagree with this completely.

Dortmund have always been that sort of club. They sell 2/3/4 of their best players every 2 transfer windows more or less and then just keep on churning out young players/making clever buys in their place. Its their whole business model. They can deny they are a “selling club/development club” but they have been for the best part of 7 years.

This is ultimately part of what led to Tuchel’s bust up there also and him getting sacked as he was particularly unhappy regarding the sales of Hummels, Gundogan and Mkhitaryan who were 3 of his key players.

Dortmund definitely didn’t sign Haaland with the aims of him staying there for like 3/4/5/6 years, they signed him for 1 or 2 seasons max, where he would be playing every week, improving, with the idea or aim to sell him for a massive profit. Sancho as well, I don’t think they anticipated him having such an impact so soon, so to get 4 seasons out of him I think hes run his course there as well 100%. But they’ll do what they do, they’ll find another few young players or a few smart signings somewhere and then, 2/3 years later, rinse and repeat. 

I actually see Dortmund maybe having a problem in selling Sancho. I say this not because he isn't a good player but because he is only 21 and has two years left on his contract and he is on big money (reportedly £110k a week.) 

For me, it makes much more sense financially for him to stay at Dortmund for another two years as: 

1) If he moves on a free his wages/signing on fee is going to be absolutely insane. 

2) Spending another two years in Germany at the age of 21, 22, 23 for the second biggest team there, means his development is still going to progress nicely. 

Personally, I would be slightly amazed if he really wanted to leave now. Only reason I can really see is if he is seriously homesick. 

Edited June 10, 2021 by King Kante

[OneMoSalah 8,810]

hace 14 minutos, King Kante dijo:

I actually see Dortmund maybe having a problem in selling Sancho. I say this not because he isn't a good player but because he is only 21 and has two years left on his contract and he is on big money (reportedly £110k a week.) 

For me, it makes much more sense financially for him to stay at Dortmund for another two years as: 

1) If he moves on a free his wages/signing on fee is going to be absolutely insane. 

2) Spending another two years, between the ages of 21-22 in Germany for the second biggest team there, means his development is still going to progress nicely. 

I think he had an agreement with them after last summer though, that he would stay another season and could go this summer because United had bid for him then but weren’t prepared to meet their price. 

What your saying makes sense for the player from his point of view but it also severely shafts Dortmund as they get no resale contributions at all, which is ultimately their business model if they like it or not, buy cheap, develop the player, maybe win a few trophies but then sell the player for a lot of profit. 

Lewandowski did this years ago for instance, going to Bayern on a free, Dortmund didn’t see a penny. 

Edited June 10, 2021 by OneMoSalah

[ZAPHOD2319 4,538]

All personal agreements with Man United are done with Sancho, his wage is not an issue. ManU submitted an initial bid and they are 20M apart. Unless we try to steal Sancho, I think ManU completes it. 
 

 

Edited June 10, 2021 by ZAPHOD2319

[Vesper 29,169]

7 minutes ago, Jype said:

From what I've seen Hakimi is not that great in a back 4 but as a wing-back he is devastatingly effective and probably the best in the world at the moment. He's probably one of the fastest top level players out there so he would offer something no other FB / WB in the team currently does.

If he's signed, I'll happily have him in the squad but if the transfer doesn't happen I'm not that bothered because the wing-back areas are already pretty well covered.

Best wingbacks

LWB

Bukayo Saka (lol, can you imagine if we gangstered Arse's best player!!!)
Theo Hernández 
Robin Gosens 
Nuno Mendes   
Raphaël Guerreiro    
Ramy Bensebaini   
Angeliño 
Borna Sosa 
Ryan Sessegnon
Luis Díaz 
Abner Club (Athletico Paranaense)
Junior Firpo
Maxwel Cornet

 

complete wildcard

Noni Madueke

19yo winger, left footer, fairly big and very strong, insane pace

tore up the Dutch league when he played

London lad

I think he could be converted

 

RWB
 

Achraf Hakimi
Silas Katompa Mvumpa  (out with a knee injury atm though, if he recovers we could be a massive weapon if we fail on Hakimi)
Emerson Royal  
Nordi Mukiele   
James Justin 
Enock Mwepu   
Adama Traoré
Ridle Baku   
Zeki Celik 
Mert Müldür
Joakim Maehle 
Brandon Soppy
Noussair Mazraoui   
Denzel Dumfries   
Youcef Atal   
Pierre Kalulu  
Kevin Mbabu 
Valentino Lazaro
Devyne Rensch
Lutsharel Geertruida 
Wilfried Singo
Rasmus Kristensen

[ZAPHOD2319 4,538]

 

[Fernando 6,497]

2 minutes ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

 

Astute business, getting some money instead of walking away for free. 

 

[R2D2 368]

Just now, Fernando said:

Astute business, getting some money instead of walking away for free. 

 

From what I read that's his salary, we promised to give him away for free.

[Vesper 29,169]

2 hours ago, Superblue_1986 said:

Ruud Gullit was such a level above when he joined Chelsea it was almost comical. That despite having bad knees and at the back end of his career.

Without degrading the squad back then (especially Mark Hughes and also Dennis Wise who improved immeasurably as the club's profile increased), at times it literally looked like a professional football player playing a non league game. 

His peak is before my time, and obviously I've watched videos and clips of him, but purely based on how good he still was when he joined Chelsea makes me know how good he'd have been at his peak.

and he led us to our first major trophy in 26 years, becoming the first overseas manager to ever win the FA Cup

 

lol, then there is this

🤣

 

[Clockwork 1,794]

18 hours ago, Jas said:

It's kinda depressing that we have to rely on a bloody pandemic, a depressed market to be able to sign the best players around. Last year, it was Havertz, Werner etc. This year, we're trying it with Haaland. We don't seem to have a good standing when it comes to competing with other big sides and convincing players to join us, do we? 

Only Real Madrid and Barcelona signs whoever they want. Only two clubs in the world that is virtually every top player top choice, everyone else is circumstantial. Our chances are good as anyone after them. Nothing depressing. 
 

Havertz and Werner had other top offers, Lampard played a huge part. If all this is true or not, no way of truly knowing. 
 

[Mário César 1,043]

2 minutes ago, Clockwork said:

Only Real Madrid and Barcelona signs whoever they want. Only two clubs in the world that is virtually every top player top choice, everyone else is circumstantial. Our chances are good as anyone after them. Nothing depressing. 
 

Havertz and Werner had other top offers, Lampard played a huge part. If all this is true or not, no way of truly knowing. 
 

Well... Actually Barça have many financial problems because of that and the unreal wages that paid to players. They are broken

[Clockwork 1,794]

2 minutes ago, Mário César said:

Well... Actually Barça have many financial problems because of that and the unreal wages that paid to players. They are broken

Real is struggling financially at the moment also. But they remain the most desired choice for many top players. 
 

 

[Mário César 1,043]

6 minutes ago, Clockwork said:

Real is struggling financially at the moment also. But they remain the most desired choice for many top players. 
 

 

Thats why they want to buy Depay and wanted wijnaldum (left to PSG) and signed Aguero... all free transfers...

They don't have a lot of money

Edited June 10, 2021 by Mário César

[Superblue 6,372]

25 minutes ago, Vesper said:

and he led us to our first major trophy in 26 years, becoming the first overseas manager to ever win the FA Cup

 

lol, then there is this

🤣

 

Could be wrong but I believe he may have also been the first black manager to win the FA Cup also. In fact he may have been the first black manager to manage in the top division in England at the time.

[Clockwork 1,794]

9 minutes ago, Mário César said:

Thats why they want to buy Depay and wanted wijnaldum (left to PSG) and signed Aguero... all free transfers...

They don't have a lot of money

Messi is an idiot for spending his last quality years at that club.

[ZAPHOD2319 4,538]

53 minutes ago, R2D2 said:

From what I read that's his salary, we promised to give him away for free.

I read his extension just prohibited him from joining an EPL team, but all other league transfers were a free.

[NikkiCFC 8,067]

43 minutes ago, Clockwork said:

Messi is an idiot for spending his last quality years at that club.

He is big part of the problem. 

[Jase 43,479]

1 hour ago, Clockwork said:

Only Real Madrid and Barcelona signs whoever they want. Only two clubs in the world that is virtually every top player top choice, everyone else is circumstantial. Our chances are good as anyone after them. Nothing depressing. 

Inclined to agree about Real Madrid and Barcelona but gotta say, players who some times just join them are as idiotic as those clubs.

As for competing with others, not sure if our chances are as good as anyone else. Take the Haaland situation for example. How many people are actually confident that we can sign him if we have to compete with others (e.g. next summer)? You have people declaring it's now or never with him, even though he will cost less next year. Clubs like City and United can match our spending power if they want to and in cases like City, they even have the manager to pull players their way. On top of that, even though we have been successful under Roman, our instability, constant chopping and changing can probably be a turn off for some. Van Dijk, for example, preferred to go to Liverpool because of Klopp and the stability of their club, even though we never really submitted a bid for him. 

1 hour ago, Clockwork said:

Havertz and Werner had other top offers, Lampard played a huge part. If all this is true or not, no way of truly knowing. 

Lampard played his part but so did the pandemic.

In Havertz's case, there were clubs that wanted him but none could afford him last year but us. Bayern Munich, for example, were hoping for Havertz to stay another season at Leverkusen so that they could get him this summer but he didn't and their hopes went out of the window. As for Werner, Liverpool pulling out of the deal might have also played its part. I know they still ended up buying Jota but they were able to arrange to pay his transfer fee in installments compared to Werner's because he had a release clause and Leipzig wanted the 50 million paid immediately, which of course was no problem for us.

In the end, I guess both did not regret their decision considering what we won last month. In fact, one of them even said it loud and clear earlier this week. 

[OneMoSalah 8,810]

hace 52 minutos, Clockwork dijo:

Messi is an idiot for spending his last quality years at that club.

Not really.

I don’t get why he would leave now. He’s achieved everything in club football domestically in Spain and on the continent ie CL, Super Cup as well as the Club World Cup so he’s not exactly missing out on anything. Maybe last summer there was that uncertainty but huge changes were made at board level. I mean I couldn’t see him coming to the PL or think he would even be remotely interested at all. He’s also the highest paid player in the world, at the club who brought him through, where he’s immersed within the history of the club for the last near 20 years. Nothing stupid about seeing his career out there. 

And its not like he needs to prove himself by playing in another league regardless or to make people think he is the greatest footballer of all time. I mean Ronaldo’s been busy, went from Portugal, to England, to Spain, to Italy and done very well individually and as part of teams yet the majority of people still think Messi is the greatest out of the two by a considerable distance. I mean he could probably have stopped playing at what 23/24/25 and people would still say he is one of the best of all time if not the best.