Todd Boehly Thread

[Blue Armour 4,436]

2 hours ago, Fulham Broadway said:

''Football clubs buyers dont own the club, they have to nurture it, like i nurture my daughter you dont own the club you are custodians'' ''The club is not a commodity''

Very romantic and naive if he believes that crock of shit.. 

Clubs are investments, football is a business. Thats the reality sunshine. They have bought a brand name, and its stock will get worth less than it is now - but as long as the TV revenue pours in....

We were lucky with abramovich - a genuine fan

You can tell that he had Abramovich on his mind when he said that. Roman is like the ideal owner, and there won't be too many like him. Very naive to think that every owner should follow that model.

[robsblubot 3,595]

1 hour ago, Vesper said:

I think you might be misunderstanding me

my first point the whole time had only to do with the cutoff age being one year too low

26 versus 25

that said

there were a TONNE of 26yo and under players with lots of experience that we could have purchased

far more experience than some of the pure youth we bought

I disagree with a lot of the non youth buys (and some non buys as well, very much so, including a 28yo, Skriniar (the only outfield player I rated who was 27yo or older and was available and who would have come here) and an great, experienced AMF like Maddison)

the following all were bad buys, and none of them are 'youth'

Axel Disasi (unless he rapidly improves)
Robert Sánchez       
Wesley Fofana 
Marc Cucurella  
Kalidou Koulibaly 
Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang  
Denis Zakaria   (stupid loan as we never played him enough)

plus

Mykhaylo Mudryk (potentially looking like a massive bust, but I still have hope)

now...............

there so many other (non youths, but also almost all 26 and under) ones I would have preferred, players with a lot of experience

I so do NOT want to buy only youth to replace those shit buys above, not at all

 

my other point was different

I am calling out this myth that there was a lot of 27yo and older (up to 30yo, as after that, save for GKers, a small amount of some CFs, and a smaller amount of CBs, we are talking about mainly players in real or soon real decline) players who were good enough, available, and willing to come here

there just were hardly any IMHO

one 30yo (Oblak)

no 29 yos

two 28 yos (Maignan and Skriniar)

no 27 yos

That what you want, and I mostly agree.
The question is what the club/owners want, and the feeling I have is that there is a disconnect around the goals between fans and club owners.
Also, "wanting to come here" and "wanting to stay here" are factors the club can have a lot of influence in.

[milka 3,390]

The truth is that the club has been in crisis for at least 7 years and these data prove it, except for a few trophies that came rather unexpectedly.

 

 

 

Edited September 5, 2023 by milka

[Vesper 30,072]

2 hours ago, milka said:

The truth is that the club has been in crisis for at least 7 years and these data prove it, except for a few trophies that came rather unexpectedly.

 

 

 

winning the CL in 2021 was a miracle, and that gave us the Super Cup (barely) and FWCC (barely)

we have been atrocious in dometic cup finals for years

and other than Mou in 2015, and the 2017 Conte miracle, the league has hardly been a good place for us lately 

Edited September 5, 2023 by Vesper

[Mário César 1,230]

30 minutes ago, Vesper said:

winning the CL in 2021 was a miracle, and that gave us the Super Cup (barely) and FWCC (barely)

we have been atrocious in dometic cup finals for years

and other the Mou in 2015, and the 2017 Conte miracle, the league has hardly been a good place for us lately 

mou in 2015 was not a miracle 

conte 2017 was a miracle but not mou in 2015 

[Thor 2,685]

This right here is the biggest factor for me:

 

Say whatever you want - but less talented teams than us have gone on to do better. For as much as we blame Todd and the new ownership, in a lot of ways they bought a house on fire disguised very well as a perfect new build. 

A regime like the one we are currently going through is needed. I like many, get frustrated easily as we have now spent the money, and want quick results, but I cool off once given time. We have talent. People keep saying we need one more big sure fire signing. We have all those guys. It doesn't matter that they're young, we have CL and World Cup winning experience on the field all over. We have more experience than most teams. 

The club is going through a massive culture change. That takes time. These guys do build winners. Look at other teams they've bought. Just have to give them time - which we at Chelsea have never done. It sucks to suck, but we've had it good for so long. And even when we've secretly sucked like what the data suggest above - we have still managed to pull out a CL title. You can't be mad at that. 

I think a lot of the disappointment at the moment comes from the fact we spent a bunch, and our expectations to make it work right away are in our face. We have a great team. The players and manager just need to get on the same wavelength. 

 

[Vesper 30,072]

36 minutes ago, Mário César said:

mou in 2015 was not a miracle 

conte 2017 was a miracle but not mou in 2015 

I never called Mou 2015 a miracle

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[DDA 9,924]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-12520045/Ex-Chelsea-goalkeeper-Asmir-Begovic-delivers-scathing-rant-claiming-lost-words-Blues-recruitment-policy-branding-Mauricio-Pochettinos-squad-mid-table-team.html

 

 

I mean to be honest, he isn't wrong. 

[Vesper 30,072]

Chelsea and the ‘penny-pinching’ measures exposing tensions with their legacy support

https://theathletic.com/4864754/2023/09/17/Chelsea-fans-cst-coach/

The matchday mood on the coaches that depart Stamford Bridge for Bournemouth this morning is expected to be more sombre than usual.

Some of the supporters who will be on board are already wondering whether they will be able to afford to travel to Burnley on October 7. Chelsea announced late last month that they were scrapping the coach subsidy that had, for more than a decade, offered a small group of fans road transport for £10 return on away trips within the United Kingdom.

This decision, made despite appeals to maintain the service during a lengthy consultation with the club’s fan advisory board, supporter groups and users of the coaches, drew swift condemnation from the Chelsea Supporters’ Trust (CST). “It appears that during a cost-of-living crisis, Chelsea FC are happy to increase the financial burden on many supporters by penny-pinching,” their stinging final line in a punchy statement read.

CST are funding the coach subsidy themselves for the Bournemouth game — partly to cushion the impact on affected supporters, partly in an attempt to shame the club into reversing their decision — but the fortnight since Chelsea’s announcement has yielded no sign that will happen.

Having ridden out the initial storm, it would be a surprise if Chelsea changed course now.

It is also worth noting that removing the coach subsidy is only one of a number of unpopular financial decisions taken since the appointment of Chris Jurasek as Chelsea’s new chief executive officer by the club’s ownership, led by Todd Boehly and Clearlake Capital, in May.

Most relate to the matchday experience, where prices have gone up between five and 15 per cent across the board. The cost of a burger inside Stamford Bridge has risen by £1.50, chips are 45p more expensive and a pint of beer is around £1 more than it was last season. Official match programmes now cost £4, up from £3.50, despite being reduced by around 30 pages.

Tickets to watch Chelsea Women now start at £10 for adults and £5 for juniors at Kingsmeadow and £10 for adults and £6.50 for juniors at Stamford Bridge, rising to as much as £60 for adults and £30 for juniors in the premium West View seats. Watching the development squad is also a couple of pounds more expensive now than it was in 2022-23. A basic Chelsea shirt from the Stamford Bridge megastore or online shop now costs just under £80, an increase on last season’s price of around £75.

The club say their decision to raise kit prices is a response to increases in the cost of materials and manufacturing. Similarly, the rises in food and drink prices are attributed to rising supplier costs being passed on to fans. Changes to the programme are explained as an attempt to make what is a loss-making venture for many clubs more financially sustainable, and it is stressed that many of the pages cut carried adverts rather than content.

On the subject of Chelsea Women, club officials point to Emma Hayes last year publicly calling for ticket prices to be increased in order to help fund the game’s continued growth — particularly for showpiece matches like those staged at Stamford Bridge. “We have to be more ambitious for ourselves,” she insisted. “Is it too cheap to watch women’s football? I think it is, especially the top games.” There is hope that increasing ticket prices will help raise the commercial value of the women’s game, as well as better reflect Chelsea Women’s status as the best team in England and one of the best in Europe.

In the round, Chelsea regard these changes as unavoidable steps on the path to running the club more like a business than in the Roman Abramovich era, when a multitude of losses — big and small — were regularly underwritten by a billionaire benefactor not moved by conventional financial forces. Many of the club’s long-standing local supporters believe they are increasingly being treated as customers, and squeezed at a time of economic difficulty in the UK.

The reality is that both of these convictions are true.

According to football finance expert Kieran Maguire, Chelsea lost an average of over £900,000 per week in the 19 years of Abramovich’s ownership. Financial sustainability was never a serious priority at Stamford Bridge from 2003 to 2022, and only frequent profits on player trading courtesy of significant sales kept the club narrowly on the right side of UEFA’s financial fair play (FFP) regulations.

It was always clear that, unless the club were bought by a Gulf state, Chelsea’s post-Abramovich existence would need to make more sense on a balance sheet. Boehly and Clearlake’s public credibility on this front has been undermined by the sum close to £1billion ($1.2bn) they have committed to transfer fees in the first year of their ownership — though they maintain, despite a sea of scepticism outside Stamford Bridge, that it is all part of a sustainable, long-term business plan.

Jurasek is a critical figure at Chelsea now. A highly regarded Clearlake executive for almost 10 years whose history with co-founder Behdad Eghbali goes back further than that, he is the man tasked with transforming the club from a loss-making machine into a revenue generator.

Part of that involves massively improving Chelsea’s commercial performance; more than 20 new partnerships are under discussion beyond the shirt sponsor deal with Infinite Athlete that is awaiting Premier League approval. Another part of it involves making unpopular decisions like the matchday ones detailed above, which the club insist are more about limiting losses than maximising profits.

Significant changes have also been made on the content side. Club legend Pat Nevin, a long-serving columnist across the club’s digital platforms as well as the programme, is no longer being used, while the pre- and post-match studio show that bookended Chelsea’s own match coverage has also been jettisoned. A contract with Gravity Media worth around £500,000 annually to edit video highlights of first-team matches for the official club app has also been terminated, and production brought in-house.

These off-field austerity measures sit very awkwardly with the historically lavish transfer spend that has almost totally overhauled Chelsea’s first-team squad over the past 12 months. Here the only argument against cognitive dissonance is Boehly and Clearlake’s firm belief they have made targeted long-term investments in elite younger talent rather than simply thrown money away, even if fans may find it hard to agree when they look at the underwhelming early returns on huge signings like Mykhailo Mudryk and Marc Cucurella.

In many ways, the removal of the coach subsidy is a small but perfect representation of the bigger tensions at play.

CST’s statement pointed out that the fans who would be worst affected included the young, the old, the disabled and the vulnerable among the club’s away support. Chelsea found that fewer than 200 people used the coaches, and that newly promoted Luton Town were the only other Premier League club to subsidise fan travel to away games.

From a pure business perspective, maintaining the subsidy makes no sense and the pure business perspective has been the prevailing dogma of the Premier League since its inception in 1993. Why should Chelsea, now majority-owned by a U.S. investment firm, be any different?

The thing is that for 19 years, Chelsea were different: simultaneously a key driver of the financial forces that transformed English football’s top flight while also standing curiously apart from the American investors and sovereign wealth funds that subsequently joined Abramovich at the owners’ table. His relentless spending allowed match-going fans to realise their trophy dreams and yet remain somewhat insulated from the full force of Premier League capitalism.

For evidence of this, look no further than the fact that adult general admission season ticket prices have been frozen at Stamford Bridge since the 2011-12 season. Boehly and Clearlake opted to maintain the freeze for 2023-24, well aware of the hostility any hike would provoke in the midst of a cost-of-living crisis in the UK and after finishing 12th in the Premier League in the first season of their ownership.

But their announcement also pointed out that the freeze had meant Stamford Bridge adult general admission season ticket prices had actually fallen in real terms by 32 per cent since 2005, while Chelsea’s stadium and matchday operating costs had risen 31 per cent since 2018. It also included this warning: “The club needs to grow all our revenue streams — including matchday — to ensure we operate on a sustainable basis.”

Chelsea insist no firm decisions have been made regarding season ticket prices in 2024-25, and that fan groups will be consulted as part of the process. But many supporters are braced for significant rises to be announced in the spring — as well as the introduction of “dynamic pricing” to take advantage of greater demand for seats in more desirable areas of Stamford Bridge.

Such changes could spark the most significant shift in Chelsea’s season ticket-holder demographic — one of the oldest in the Premier League — for a generation. They could also be met with loud protests from those who stand to lose out, further exposing the tensions that are already bubbling just beneath the surface between the club and those often referred to as its “legacy supporters”.

Boehly and Clearlake have been proactive in making cosmetic changes to Stamford Bridge, primarily in the form of new signage and video displays. Earlier this month a planning application was submitted to construct two large lion sculptures outside the ground; club officials insist they will cost less than the “£2million” ($2.5m) figure submitted on the official paperwork.

The ownership’s bigger idea is to make Stamford Bridge a more appealing, attractive place in the short term while they wrestle with the much bigger and more complicated issue of stadium redevelopment. That is unlikely to carry much weight with a match-going supporter base whose collective goodwill has been extinguished by price rises and cost-cutting measures.

The reality of Chelsea’s re-imagining as a business rather than a billionaire’s passion project is beginning to bite, and there are almost certain to be more flashpoints in the months ahead.

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[NikkiCFC 8,285]

8 minutes ago, Vytis33 said:

 

This is for TB thread?

[Vesper 30,072]

I am NOT liking what I see coming down the road.

Boehly may well destroy us.

[DDA 9,924]

The fans won't allow Bohely and his cronies to destroy this club. There will be riots in the streets. We will not go quietly into the night. 

[Blue Armour 4,436]

2 hours ago, Vesper said:

I am NOT liking what I see coming down the road.

Boehly may well destroy us.

Anything new in particular, or just based on stuff we've seen so far?

[OneMoSalah 8,883]

5 hours ago, DDA said:

The fans won't allow Bohely and his cronies to destroy this club. There will be riots in the streets. We will not go quietly into the night. 

We’ve already let him rip out a lot of what made the club successful and work beforehand though.

The footballing structure wasn’t perfect but it was better and worked better than this. The medical staff was better and we didn’t have as many big injuries like we do now.

All good saying we won’t allow Boehly to do X Y or Z but he already has done a lot. 

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50 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

We’ve already let him rip out a lot of what made the club successful and work beforehand though.

The footballing structure wasn’t perfect but it was better and worked better than this. The medical staff was better and we didn’t have as many big injuries like we do now.

All good saying we won’t allow Boehly to do X Y or Z but he already has done a lot. 

Agreed. Would just add a correlation between the type of player we signed--how physically unprepared they are for the PL, and injuries.

It's not evidently a 1to1 thing, but I'd not be surprised if there is a slight causation in the mix. 

[Fulham Broadway 17,298]

Under Roman, you could feel the passion from the owner to win and become one of the best clubs in the world....Clearlake gives you the feeling that the club is just a vehicle for profit and that "it's all business"