The Tuchel Thread

[Special Juan 28,140]

Tuchel's words and management of this so far has been pure perfection, putting all the spotlights on Lukaku.

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

5 hours ago, Special Juan said:

Tuchel's words and management of this so far has been pure perfection, putting all the spotlights on Lukaku.

I think its also a clear sign of Tuchel’s evolution from his time at Dortmund and PSG too. Maybe I am wrong but I feel he may have been a bit more rash if this happened in the past at his other clubs, he looks as if he’s re-evaluated it all and come on leaps and bounds in that side. 

We have also seen Conte’s reaction to Costa’s interview with ESPN Brazil (IIRC) or maybe it was AS/Marca where he said the club treated him like criminal and Conte‘s reaction was combustible or more likely to cause an upset compared to how TT has dealt with it. 

I genuinely believe this scenario and the performance over the last 12 months is proof that this is the best Tuchel in terms of his management skills on and off the field. It also helps that the group and the club are clearly 100% fully behind him.

Edited January 3, 2022 by OneMoSalah

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[Fulham Broadway 17,333]

Tuchel geggenpressen. Ragnick granddadpressing.

[Superblue 6,372]

11 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Tuchel geggenpressen. Ragnick granddadpressing.

Watching United the last few games, getting Tuchel over Rangnick last January has to be one of the biggest wins in recent times.

[Fulham Broadway 17,333]

Just now, Superblue_1986 said:

Watching United the last few games, getting Tuchel over Rangnick last January has to be one of the biggest wins in recent times.

Have you noticed when United players lose the ball, they prance around like show ponies ? Wolves schooled them today

[Superblue 6,372]

2 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Have you noticed when United players lose the ball, they prance around like show ponies ? Wolves schooled them today

They either have players with talent but not willing to put in the defensive/pressing side of the game, or players who are capable of doing that side of the game but can barely kick the ball.

There is no middle ground with them and it leaves their team so imbalanced. 

[Fulham Broadway 17,333]

2 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

They either have players with talent but not willing to put in the defensive/pressing side of the game, or players who are capable of doing that side of the game but can barely kick the ball.

There is no middle ground with them and it leaves their team so imbalanced. 

Which is fantastic 😉

[Jase 43,479]

8 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

Watching United the last few games, getting Tuchel over Rangnick last January has to be one of the biggest wins in recent times.

Without even hindsight, think that is clear. Rangnick's reputation has come as a sporting director or roles along those lines as opposed to a manager. Plus, he has never managed a big club in his career before. He may have done a good job at them but all the club he's managed are below United/Chelsea's level. 

[Jase 43,479]

5 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

They either have players with talent but not willing to put in the defensive/pressing side of the game, or players who are capable of doing that side of the game but can barely kick the ball.

There is no middle ground with them and it leaves their team so imbalanced. 

Don't think they have the players to play a modern pressing game. This squad have been largely formed on the back of two managers who are pragmatic and like to play more on the counter. 

[Fulham Broadway 17,333]

Just now, Jase said:

Don't think they have the players to play a modern pressing game. This squad have been largely formed on the back of two managers who are pragmatic and like to play more on the counter. 

Its more of a case of Ole and Rangnick have no idea how to manage massive individual egos, for all Fergusons faults, he would have this lot performing perfectly and in fear of him

[Jase 43,479]

1 minute ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Its more of a case of Ole and Rangnick have no idea how to manage massive individual egos, for all Fergusons faults, he would have this lot performing perfectly and in fear of him

Think it's a combination of different things. They haven't had a dominant manager, someone who will hold these players accountable etc in ages. They haven't had a proper manager who is in tune with the modern game in ages. They also have a squad with some very average players. 

[Superblue 6,372]

5 minutes ago, Jase said:

Don't think they have the players to play a modern pressing game. This squad have been largely formed on the back of two managers who are pragmatic and like to play more on the counter. 

Yeah completely agree.

I think in our situation, it's easy to dismiss and forget the 2 and a half years before Tuchel came in of firstly Sarri looking to play a possession style and then Lampard looking to play a pressing style with energy. None of that was perfect and ultimately I don't think either was the long term solution if they'd been afforded more time, but there was at least a base there for Tuchel to work with.

I just don't see anything there at United. Like you said the last few years they have been moulded by pragmatic managers looking to play on the counter. It feels like they really are starting from scratch and these six months under Rangnick may be the very start of something but I think it's going to be long and at times, frustrating process for them.

[Fulham Broadway 17,333]

15 minutes ago, Jase said:

Think it's a combination of different things. They haven't had a dominant manager, someone who will hold these players accountable etc in ages. They haven't had a proper manager who is in tune with the modern game in ages. They also have a squad with some very average players. 

United was Ferguson. Now its merch, Glazers profits, and Chinese viewers. Still. fuck 'em

[Strike 7,492]

8 hours ago, Jase said:

Think it's a combination of different things. They haven't had a dominant manager, someone who will hold these players accountable etc in ages. They haven't had a proper manager who is in tune with the modern game in ages. They also have a squad with some very average players. 

They also have 5 of the best paid players in the league - DDG, CR7, Varane, Pogba, Sancho. But somehow have never managed to build a team in years 

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[ZAPHOD2319 4,819]

 

[ZAPHOD2319 4,819]

 

[manpe 10,861]

On 03/01/2022 at 11:03, Strike said:

https://theathletic.com/3046668/2022/01/03/romelu-lukakus-interview-the-fallout-the-meetings-with-tuchel-the-future/

Excerpt - 

As one source explained to The Athletic: “I was speaking to one of the players and asked him if anyone was sticking up for Lukaku. He said no. None of them can believe he’s done it.”

Noticeably Tuchel appears to have the backing of the squad for how he dealt with Lukaku. He decided to confer with five or six senior players before making a final decision to omit Lukaku from the Liverpool game. It is believed that Jorginho, Cesar Azpilicueta, N’Golo Kante and Antonio Rudiger were among those consulted.

Asked why he felt the need to discuss it with squad members, he replied: “I don’t take decisions in the office or around my thoughts. I take decisions for the team and I listen to them. I hear their opinion, what they think and then I make my decisions once I hear them out. It is their club, their team and it is not a personal thing from me to decide only on my thoughts.

“We have a squad who we protect, which is strong in belief and behaviours. We want a clearer understanding of the situation and take a decision on a bigger foundation.”

 

On 06/01/2022 at 00:03, ZAPHOD2319 said:

 

 

Perfect, his rationality and calmness have been key in managing this. Imagine Mourinho or even Conte handling such a situation, it would have been a clusterfuck. Glad to have Super Tommy Tuchel.

Talking about Man United, it seems to me they want to be seen as a hipster club with all those unusual manager appointments. They haven't hired a single world-class manager since Ferguson. How on earth they thought Solskjaer would be it is beyond my comprehension... A guy with only experience managing in Norway and getting sacked by Cardiff within the same year after relegating them. Now they hired a football director from Russia to get them out of the slump. 🤦‍♂️ Long may it continue.

Edited January 9, 2022 by manpe

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

5 hours ago, manpe said:

 

 

Perfect, his rationality and calmness have been key in managing this. Imagine Mourinho or even Conte handling such a situation, it would have been a clusterfuck. Glad to have Super Tommy Tuchel.

Talking about Man United, it seems to me they want to be seen as a hipster club with all those unusual manager appointments. They haven't hired a single world-class manager since Ferguson. How on earth they thought Solskjaer would be it is beyond my comprehension... A guy with only experience managing in Norway and getting sacked by Cardiff within the same year after relegating them. Now they hired a football director from Russia to get them out of the slump. 🤦‍♂️ Long may it continue.

Rangnick is a world class manager. Just ask Tommy. He won the DFB-Pokal and got to the CL semis with fkin Schalke. Most of the footy Klopp, Tuchel, flick and other german coaches now play is based on Rangnick's ideas. He just never choose to work for a big club before. He and ManUre is apparently an ill fit tho.

Manure are just poorly managed overall imo. The board has no clear vision of how they want to develop the club apart from the business side. Similar to our situation tbf but our board is still a tad smarter and we managed to pass that winning mentality on from the Mourinho side. ManUre lost it when Fergie left.