The Tuchel Thread

[NikkiCFC 8,058]

4 minutes ago, Mário César said:

And I think that we lack of criavity in the middle.

 

3 minutes ago, Vybz Kartel said:

Yes we do, but I think Ziyech can solve that. Hopefully he is out for less than a month. We will need his creativity in tight games like today. 

Kai had last season 7 open play assists and he played like 2500 minutes.

I have big hopes from him in this department but also in goals.

Did not had good game last night but still managed great assist. This season he must go over 10 maybe 15 assists.

[Vesper 29,022]

7 minutes ago, Mário César said:

Im think that our midfield is not good enough 

Nicolò Barella is the closest thing out there to Kante on the planet atm IMHO. a free floating wrecking ball with relentless drive (will have to be next season)

Aurélien Tchouaméni is a freak on nature talent, a crunching DMF with great technical skills

those two in a double pivot is league winning level

other options

Frenkie de Jong (if Barca collapse and he wants out)
Marcos Llorente  
Declan Rice    
Sergej Milinković-Savić    
Leon Goretzka  (if he refuses to renew with Bayern)
Fede Valverde  
Eduardo Camavinga   
Jude Bellingham    
Franck Kessié   
Youri Tielemans
Florian Wirtz  
Rúben Neves
Houssem Aouar   
Carlos Soler   
Kalvin Phillips   
Lorenzo Pellegrini
Tomas Soucek    
Saúl Ñíguez 
Ismaël Bennacer  
Boubacar Kamara  
Manuel Locatelli   
Ryan Gravenberch  
Bruno Guimarães   
Leander Dendoncker
Sandro Tonali 
Ilaix Moriba 
Weston McKennie 
Gerson 
Julian Weigl  
Corentin Tolisso 
Eljif Elmas 
Patrick de Paula    
Lucas Gourna-Douath 

[Tomo 21,733]

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Edited August 12, 2021 by Tomo

[Tomo 21,733]

9 hours ago, Mana said:

After the Super Cup, I am worried. Most of these players still aren't good enough to improve our results/performances for next season.

They are more or less the same except maybe Ziyech (and now he's injured for good knows how long). 

Adding Lukaku may not change the outcome of the results because the most of the midfield are poor and most games are won by the midfield. 

Lukaku would have to do a lot of create a lot of something out of nothing chances if he's ever going to score 20+ PL goals. Even if Lukaku sets up other players to score, we would have to rely on these players' shooting boots and their boots are all over the place. Not ONE player is consistent in this area.

And Werner...my good grief. This guy has completely lost it. What a flop of a player.

I'm sure we will have good cup runs, but when it comes to the league this is where the inconsistency shows time and time again.

Prepare for another frustrating season in the league.

I tell you what, it you're so convinced this season is going to be shit, would you be willing to put your money where your mouth is?

If we finish outside the top four I'll donate £200 to the forum, if we finish inside it you do.

If for any reason you don't bet money wise, loser forefits posting rights for the following season.

Deal?

[Jase 43,479]

1 hour ago, Tomo said:

I tell you what, it you're so convinced this season is going to be shit, would you be willing to put your money where your mouth is?

If we finish outside the top four I'll donate £200 to the forum, if we finish inside it you do.

If for any reason you don't bet money wise, loser forefits posting rights for the following season.

Deal?

Came out of hibernation just to laugh at that. 

[Jase 43,479]

10 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

We just won one of two priorities for you this season. Be happy!

It's Mana. Has to stick with the brand. Rarely says much when we win/do well but it's the end of the world and post after post when we don't. 

[Jase 43,479]

1 minute ago, Mana said:

We just won yesterday dumbass and I'm still here posting.

And yet, all or almost all of your posts are endless moaning/complaint, as per usual. 

[Tomo 21,733]

16 minutes ago, Mana said:

Finishing the season shit doesn't automatically mean no top 4. Finishing the season shit can also mean fighting with Leicester, Villa, Spuds, Arsenal etc. and just about squeezing in 4th just like the past two seasons.

You literally poured cold water of any top four chances in the prediction thread, don't move the goal posts.

If you're going to slate our proven winner players and underestimate our proven world class manager while wanking off our rivals (which include a team who have bottled their last 18 shots at a trophy) every time we don't play great and/or drop points, atleast have the bollax to put it record.

Edited August 12, 2021 by Tomo

[Jase 43,479]

15 minutes ago, Mana said:

Now you're changing goalposts. You couldn't make this shit up. 😂

We won yesterday I celebrated our win in the match day thread, but now I'm not allowed to post my concerns from what I saw yesterday.

Are you going to sit here with full confidence, look at that team's performance yesterday and say, "Yep, with Werner, Jorginho and them lot, adding Lukaku we will be going fighting City for the title." If you are, give me some of that poof you're smoking.

And this is even TT's thread, I'm not having a go at TT I think he's done an amazing job overall so far.

I said "all or almost all of your posts".

As mentioned by @Tomo, if there's anything moving the goalposts here, it's you. One competitive game into the season and you're already predicting the end of the world for us with the Top 4 etc. Yes, the performance overall wasn't great yesterday and maybe we were lucky to win it but it's still just the first game of the season. The players' fitness level isn't at the same level because they all returned at different times, some barely even played much so far etc. Villarreal have had almost their full team since pre-season started and it's hardly a surprise they looked much better than us for long periods in the game. How a team start the season is not always an indicator of how the season will play out for the team and players and we should know this better than anyone else given the amount of times we've have started a season well in the past, only to fall away after the first few months. So how about we see how things play out over the next 2-3 months before claiming the worst for the season? 

[Jase 43,479]

6 minutes ago, Mana said:

I said clearly AS IT STANDS. Adding Lukaku changes the outcome. But does that make us title challengers? Liverpool and to an extent United have the squads to challenge City, do we?

I'm not underestimating TT, but he has too much of a job here for us to be consistent enough with these players. We need better players in the midfield. And we still have a LB issue, we have gone back to using Alonso, while I appreciate TT trying to squeeze everything he could with this guy Alonso is not good enough.

While they have proven to do very good cup runs (which I said BEFORE), they have NOT proven to be consistent enough in the 38 game fucking league. Open your fucking eyes to that then we can have a discussion.

Seriously, since you're so confident that we will have no hope this season, why don't you just agree to @Tomo's wager? Stick your neck on the line. 

[Tomo 21,733]

11 minutes ago, Mana said:

I said clearly AS IT STANDS. Adding Lukaku changes the outcome. But does that make us title challengers? Liverpool and to an extent United have the squads to challenge City, do we?

I'm not underestimating TT, but he has too much of a job here for us to be consistent enough with these players. We need better players in the midfield. And we still have a LB issue, we have gone back to using Alonso, while I appreciate TT trying to squeeze everything he could with this guy Alonso is not good enough.

While they have proven to do very good cup runs (which I said BEFORE), they have NOT proven to be consistent enough in the 38 game fucking league. Open your fucking eyes to that then we can have a discussion.

So you don't think we will challenge because we ain't proven over 38 games?

Ok lets say i accept that, why on the same basis do you think United have a chance of seriously challenging despite their current squad and manager's track record of producing 0 out of 10s when the medals are on the line?

[Warning_Hazard 156]

Said it before will say it again, IF man city buy kane the PL is done and dusted.

Mana is losing me also, Judging the squad just back from holidays even though we won last night against a very good villareal says it all for me!

 

 

[Tomo 21,733]

6 minutes ago, Mana said:

Explain "no hope". No hope for the league? Or no hope for top 4? If it's the former, maybe I would.

I didn't say United will win the league. As I said is challenging, which is different. They finished 2nd last season, let's not forget that. They have a better squad than us, as proven in the last two seasons.

So hypothetically speaking, if Tuchel was in charge for full season last term, you don't think he'd have had us the seven more points required to get us above United? 

[Jase 43,479]

13 minutes ago, Mana said:

Ok. Saying "I'm worried, that we won't improve" == "Top 4 is gone, end of the world" in your terms. By the way, not improving doesn't mean we are going to be worse. It just means we are going to stay roughly the same. So if we clinch 4th on the final day of the season, what I said is right. We haven't improved in terms of league position and performances, but we did the minimal requirements just like the past 2 seasons. With all that 350m+ spending, are you going to sit there and tell me still finishing 4th was a success?

Unless you have looked into the future, you don't what exactly is gonna happen. 

If we scrape into the Top 4 again with the inconsistency, low points tally etc, then sure I'd agree with you. But if we finish in the Top 4, with improved consistency, more points overall and maybe just fall short of the title on top of that, then I'd say that's an improvement at the very least. 

13 minutes ago, Mana said:

But these are the same excuses I've heard for the past number of seasons now. The players we saw pre-season play more or less the same they did last season, except Ziyech who was finding the net.

The SC could give us a good indicator on what is going to happen in the next few games. I'll be eating my hat if a player like Werner starts banging goals in the first few games of the season.

Are people really that used with us buying finished articles in the past and just winning things?

Progression and improvement don't just happen overnight, even more so the circumstances mentioned earlier weren't exactly in our favor.

13 minutes ago, Mana said:

o I'm not allowed to post my concerns until 3 months have passed?

You're already out here proclaiming the worst for us this season...after ONE game! So, is it too much to ask that maybe you just wait and see how things play out after the first few weeks/months of the season?

[Jase 43,479]

10 minutes ago, Mana said:

Explain "no hope". No hope for the league? Or no hope for top 4? If it's the former, maybe I would.

How about both? No title and no Top 4. That would be a shit season for you, right?

[Warning_Hazard 156]

12 minutes ago, Jase said:

How about both? No title and no Top 4. That would be a shit season for you, right?

It would for me, And im sure the board will get knee-jerky if that happens!

Top 4 minimum with an eye to challenge for I

[YorkshireBlue 3,126]

Tired of hearing if we buy this or don't buy that we will miss out on top 4 or challenge for the league..... we aint the only club buying players man city and united are both improving, so if they improve n we improve and we finish in the top 4 then technically we are still going forward because we are staying kinda level with these teams. If we was the only team to bring in improvements and then fell short I could see ppls point of view.

[Atomiswave 6,072]

TT is fucking proper, this dude shits gold I swear