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3 hours ago, Jason said:

Don't think so. Said this before, if we had gotten Conte's transfer targets, we would have ended up with more duds on top of the duds we already have or his duds over the club's duds.

He may have wanted the likes of Lukaku and Van Dijk - we didn't want to pay the huge fee for the latter but he didn't want to join us anyway - but he also wanted the likes of Fernando Llorente, Candreva, Nainggolan, Perisic etc. 

Speaking of the market that's my one worry with TT, his record isn't that great in that respect.

Luckily I think we only need a couple of players instead of a total overhaul (I actually believe most of our signings will come good) but still the links to Jonas Hoffmann are making me a little tense.

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Took us from 10th to finishing 4th. This has to be credited. Yes, we lost the final game but he gave us the chance to fight for the top 4 after that Lampard fiasco. And we did it. With luck. Again. Ju

A manager taking responsibility? Preposterous!

Unless we completely lose the plot and results go south in these last few weeks of the season, sacking Tuchel just because we don't get Top 4 would be a fucking stupid decision from the board...again.

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It feels like some pro-Lampard journalists have been waiting for last weekend's results to pounce on Tuchel. Can feel the sharks circling around...

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We were doing fine until Silva decided to get sent off and we completely imploded after that. I see one main culprit for this - Silva first and foremost for that stupid tackle on a yellow card. Jorginho also for just being pants. What exactly is Tuchel's fault here? Starting Silva was a mistake only in hindsight, if he'd know he'd get sent off you can bet he wouldn't have started. It was one of those shitty post-international break games that didn't go our way.

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On 05/04/2021 at 08:34, manpe said:

We were doing fine until Silva decided to get sent off and we completely imploded after that. I see one main culprit for this - Silva first and foremost for that stupid tackle on a yellow card. Jorginho also for just being pants. What exactly is Tuchel's fault here? Starting Silva was a mistake only in hindsight, if he'd know he'd get sent off you can bet he wouldn't have started. It was one of those shitty post-international break games that didn't go our way.

I thin it's that, return from the international is always awkward. Players are off rhythm. 

So like Tuchel said a warning sign, but I think we will bounce back. 

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Yes was correct, that's why I didn't pay too much attention to weekend result. It's called the FIFA bug. 

I really dislike internationals. I don't even watch them anymore. 

That being said I'm seriously worried about Werner. We should consider selling him this summer, because I remember Torres when we had the chance to sell after the first season we did not. Then end up losing him for free eventually. I think Werner still has a resale value and should entertain the swap deal with Dortmund plus cash for Haaland. 

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30 minutes ago, Fernando said:

That being said I'm seriously worried about Werner. We should consider selling him this summer, because I remember Torres when we had the chance to sell after the first season we did not. Then end up losing him for free eventually. I think Werner still has a resale value and should entertain the swap deal with Dortmund plus cash for Haaland. 

I don't exactly remember what happened with Torres but you talked as if Werner has only 2 years or 1 year left on his contract and we are running out of time to sell him for good money. He would still have 4 years left come this summer and if things are still shit come this time next year, we would still be able to fetch decent money for him then given he would have 3 years left.

Also, have we not learned anything from the De Bruyne and Salah sagas? Do we not give players, especially in the first season after joining from another country, at least a second season to right the wrongs? It's easy to forget that Werner was doing alright before the November international break and before things went shit for him. He still has some good performances under Tuchel, it's just the performances haven't been consistent. He has also contributed more goals than anyone else in the team this season. That counts for something, no? His problems now seem more mental than anything else and his situation is also to different to Torres last time, as he was physically and mentally done by the time we signed him from Liverpool. 

On top of that, people talk swap deals like we're living in FM or FIFA world. Clubs can plan for swap deal for all they like but it won't happen if the players don't want the move. Last we heard is that the club don't want to sell Werner and Werner has no intention of leaving, especially when he said at the start that he joined us to win trophies. Plus, does Haaland even want to join us? If we don't get Top 4, we can forget about signing him. And do Dortmund even want a swap deal? Given the potential financial trouble they might find themselves in, they may prefer to take the full fee for Haaland to cover for their losses and then use whatever balance to sign a replacement. 

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I hope Bayern is not sniffing around him. But even if they do, we have great project and can offer great money. No need to rush for extension. After season ends, now focus on games. 

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6 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

I hope Bayern is not sniffing around him. But even if they does, we have great project and can offer great money. No need to rush for extension. After season ends, now focus on games. 

Tuchel working with Salihamidzic and the rest of the Bayern board? lol

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30 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

I hope Bayern is not sniffing around him. But even if they does, we have great project and can offer great money. No need to rush for extension. After season ends, now focus on games. 

This is a wee concern. Although I think Nagglesmann will instantly be their first choice. Or maybe a little bit out there but perhaps Max Allegri? Hes been out the game for a while now and is available. 

Leaving Bayern to manage Germany though is odd when Flick has been there 1.5 seasons as manager, although there has been grumblings that he is severely unhappy with Hasan Salihamidzic, dating back to the sale of Thiago and also that Bayern are letting Alaba and Boateng leave for nothing. Plus their recruitment has been poor. 

Tuchel has been of interest to Bayern before after he left Dortmund and Ancelotti got sacked so I would imagine if there was any sort of chance, albeit very slim (you’d hope we would state our intentions to back him this summer and let him continue growing what he’s doing here), they would maybe want to go for him this time round. I dont think though, not as first choice. Bayern cheapes out not trying to get him from Dortmund after Guardiola suggested he replaced him prior to going to City because he was under contract at Dortmund, so doubt it would happen with him under contract here.

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11 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

This is a wee concern. Although I think Nagglesmann will instantly be their first choice. Or maybe a little bit out there but perhaps Max Allegri? Hes been out the game for a while now and is available. 

Leaving Bayern to manage Germany though is odd when Flick has been there 1.5 seasons as manager, although there has been grumblings that he is severely unhappy with Hasan Salihamidzic, dating back to the sale of Thiago and also that Bayern are letting Alaba and Boateng leave for nothing. Plus their recruitment has been poor. 

Tuchel has been of interest to Bayern before after he left Dortmund and Ancelotti got sacked so I would imagine if there was any sort of chance, albeit very slim (you’d hope we would state our intentions to back him this summer and let him continue growing what he’s doing here), they would maybe want to go for him this time round. I dont think though, not as first choice. Bayern cheapes out not trying to get him from Dortmund after Guardiola suggested he replaced him prior to going to City because he was under contract at Dortmund, so doubt it would happen with him under contract here.

the sale of Thiago

was madness

letting Alaba

 leave for nothing.

more madness

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Hes building well on Conte and Sarri. Using Conte's defensive structure as a foundation but the midfield possession is something that started with Sarri (Conte never had the players like Jorginho and Kovacic and in all honesty I don't think Conte has the perspective to coach a possession based team like Tuchel and Sarri). 

 

The exciting thing is that TT hasn't had any breathing room between matches to really stamp his coaching in training. I really like his perspective of football. Going up the next step will be more efficient and expansive attack which is slowly but surely booming. 

 

Hes made me a huge fan. He also seems a great guy 

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TT tactical masterclass today. We contained the best side in the world to a handful of half-chances. Immense defensive display. Also created several good opportunities.

TT has won vs:

Pep Guardiola, Jürgen Klopp, Diego Simeone (2X), José Mourinho and Carlo Ancelotti

in the space of weeks. Impressive

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5 hours ago, Styl1994 said:

Worried Bayern will be looking at him we can’t lose him. 

Do people really think Tuchel will go to Bayern?

We all know Tuchel's history when it comes to dealing and falling out with the club's board and Bayern have one that is dominated by several individuals - e.g. Karl-Heinz Rummenigge, Hasan Salihamidzic.

Hansi Flick is quitting because of a rift with their sporting director and people think it won't happen with Tuchel?

Granted, it may happen here with Tuchel and Marina but at least he'll only have to deal with one person mainly as opposed to 2-3 other people. And there's also less politics here than at Bayern. 

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