The Tuchel Thread

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27 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-9345993/Frank-Lampard-similar-job-Thomas-Tuchel-claims-Glen-Johnson.html#

Frank Lampard 'could have done a similar job to Thomas Tuchel', claims Glen Johnson -who tells Chelsea players to 'have a look at themselves' for turnaround in form since former PSG boss took charge

• HAHAHAHAHAHAH!

It's fucking ridiculous how these English pundits seem incapable of looking beyond the surface when it comes to analysis. Either they are just dumb or want turn to a blind eye to avoid criticizing their mates. 

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4 minutes ago, Jason said:

It's fucking ridiculous how these English pundits seem incapable of looking beyond the surface when it comes to analysis. Either they are just dumb or want turn to a blind eye to avoid criticizing their mates. 

95% of pundits are laughing stock. For me what people say on this forum has bigger value.

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Wednesday March 10 2021 Matt Law's Chelsea briefing

Tuchel's reign is off to stunning start - but his long-term fate depends on how his side react to adversity By Matt Law, Football News Correspondent Hours after Thomas Tuchel had completed his 11th match unbeaten in charge of Chelsea, a video clip of the German shouting at Timo Werner circulated on social media. Translated from his native tongue, Tuchel was overheard castigating Werner in the 26th minute of Chelsea’s 2-0 victory over Everton while the game was still goalless. Tuchel shouted: “Timo, how much longer do you play left? You play right. You've played left for 15 minutes. Do you not understand?” The reaction to the clip was a good illustration of how results influence perception. Following a victory that put Chelsea into the box seat for Champions League qualification, Tuchel’s outburst and Werner’s apparent inability to carry out instructions was seen as little more than something to smile about. But turn the situation on its head and imagine Chelsea had just completed an 11th game without a victory, or even just suffered their first defeat under Tuchel, and the exchange would no doubt have been viewed differently. This is why, past acknowledging he has done an excellent job in reviving Chelsea’s season, it remains difficult to judge Tuchel and assess his long-term prospects until he and his players have experienced a defeat. Should Chelsea avoid defeat at Leeds United on Saturday, then Tuchel will have equalled Luiz Felipe Scolari’s 12-game unbeaten start to his Blues reign, while Maurizio Sarri started with 18 games without defeat, depending on whether or not you count the Community Shield loss to Manchester City. Sarri’s unique approach, which looked like genius during his first 18 games, quickly became the subject of ridicule and he left after one season in charge, while Scolari was sacked after just seven months in charge amid accusations the dressing room had turned on him. Chelsea have only fallen behind in one game under Tuchel, the match against Southampton in which they secured a draw, so it is still very difficult to assess how he and his team will react to adversity - something they did not deal with well under Frank Lampard earlier this season. There is no way, for instance, that Werner will make an issue of Tuchel’s public show of frustration with him while Chelsea are marching up the table and beating their rivals. It is normally only when results turn, as was the case following 17 games unbeaten under Lampard, that we find out whether or not players had been bottling up any disappointment or anger. Tuchel has already displayed an ability to manage with both the carrot and the stick, as we saw when Callum Hudson-Odoi was substituted on and back off again against Southampton before starting in the Champions League victory over Atletico Madrid. And Tuchel has been more than fair to Werner, who he has continued to back, both through his words (away from the touchline) and actions, despite the fact the forward has now scored just one goal in 19 Premier League games. It was absolutely vital that Chelsea started strongly under Tuchel and his achievement in going 11 games unbeaten is arguably already better than the starts made by Scolari and Sarri because it has been done in the middle of the season when the team were in a bad run. Unlike Tuchel, Scolari and Sarri had enjoyed a pre-season in which to work with their players, while Tuchel stepped straight off a plane from Paris and on to the touchline for his first game in charge against Wolverhampton Wanderers, having only been able to take one training session. We now know that Tuchel is a good winner, like all managers, but until we find out what type of loser he is then it is hard to know whether or not the 47-year-old is likely to last significantly longer than Sarri and Scolari. Get in touch on Twitter @Matt_Law_DT or by emailing [email protected]

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Thomas Tuchel has no qualms over calling out Chelsea players in matches

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Us under Tuchel vs:

Top Half Teams:
W Spurs
D Man Utd
W Liverpool
W Everton

Bottom Half Teams:
D Wolves
W Burnley
W Sheffield Utd
W Newcastle
D Southampton
D Leeds

4 of the next 5 PL games are against bottom half teams.

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Need to get Atletico out of our minds and worry about these next run of fixtures. Maximum points required. 

 

[NikkiCFC 8,048]

We are not conceding any goals. 2 in 12 games and one is OG and one is when Zouma played in the middle which should never happened.

Our problems are easily fixable. We have enough talent upfront to score a goal. We still need to find that lineup because we have no idea who are our 3 starters up front.

This is why he is constantly changing because no one of 8 attacking players is saying with his performances: I should start every week.

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2 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

This is why he is constantly changing because no one of 8 attacking players is saying with his performances: I should start every week.

CHO/Havertz/Werner was the most fluid attack I've seen so far in this system. Kovacic needs to be in midfield however for that front three to work properly so Havertz doesn't have to drop too deep. 

I want to see more of that. Hopefully we do in these next run of PL games. 

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5 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Our problems are easily fixable. We have enough talent upfront to score a goal. We still need to find that lineup because we have no idea who are our 3 starters up front.

This is why he is constantly changing because no one of 8 attacking players is saying with his performances: I should start every week.

But on the other hand, is the constant chopping and changing actually helping us or being a detriment to us? Let's not forget that we criticized Lampard for basically doing the same thing earlier. Tuchel has admittedly given the players better clarity, clear tactical instructions on what to do but it's hard for the players to develop any sort of understanding or chemistry if we're constantly changing the front 3. Plus, it also doesn't help that all our attacking players are young and not the finished article. It's not like 10-12 years ago when we had players at their peak and they could just come in and immediately make an impact.

[MoroccanBlue 5,318]

9 open play goals in 15 games is a horrid return though. 

Edited March 13, 2021 by MoroccanBlue

[NikkiCFC 8,048]

I think Tuchel will also realize that he needs Giroud as short term solution this season. His goals has been decisive last season and can be again. 

Olie has goals in him, we saw it many times, lately against Atletico. I expect him to play much more next two months.

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38 minutes ago, Jason said:

Us under Tuchel vs:

Top Half Teams:
W Spurs
D Man Utd
W Liverpool
W Everton

Bottom Half Teams:
D Wolves
W Burnley
W Sheffield Utd
W Newcastle
D Southampton
D Leeds

4 of the next 5 PL games are against bottom half teams.

Worth pointing out that in the 3 games that we failed to score under Tuchel (Wolves, Man Utd and Leeds), the front 3 selection all comprised of players who are slow/prefer ball to feet/not going to make runs in behind to stretch teams.

Wolves - Ziyech-Giroud-Havertz
Man Utd - Ziyech-Giroud-Mount
Leeds - Ziyech-Havertz-Mount

At least one of Werner/Pulisic/CHO is needed in the front 3. 

[MoroccanBlue 5,318]

Ziyech being the common denominator...

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4 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Ziyech being the common denominator...

TBF, he did play at Liverpool along with Mount and Werner and at least he had Werner to make the runs and play passes to. God knows about the other 3 games though.

Otherwise in terms of his performances, he hasn't done much at all. 

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14 minutes ago, Jason said:

Worth pointing out that in the 3 games that we failed to score under Tuchel (Wolves, Man Utd and Leeds), the front 3 selection all comprised of players who are slow/prefer ball to feet/not going to make runs in behind to stretch teams.

Wolves - Ziyech-Giroud-Havertz
Man Utd - Ziyech-Giroud-Mount
Leeds - Ziyech-Havertz-Mount

At least one of Werner/Pulisic/CHO is needed in the front 3. 

 

12 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Ziyech being the common denominator...

Also Chilwell played in 3 of 4 draws under Tuchel. Not blaming him ofc but he did had chances to score against Wolves and today.

Him and Ziyech should be away from starting 11.

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7 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Also Chilwell played in 3 of 4 draws under Tuchel. Not blaming him ofc but he did had chances to score against Wolves and today.

Him and Ziyech should be away from starting 11.

Not sure why Chilwell is even mentioned here when he's not even the point and he also started in the wins at Liverpool and Sheffield United by the way. Plus if I'm getting the chance you mentioned about today right, it was hardly a clear chance for Chilwell to score, was it? Outside of his foot, under a challenge etc. 

And if we want to get picky about missing chances from a LWB, then Alonso also missed one very early on against Southampton, a chance that you would expect him to put away but he didn't. 

[MoroccanBlue 5,318]

It is still very much in our hands. 

West Brom, Palace, Brighton, West Ham, and Fulham. Should be getting 13-15 points maximum. 

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6 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

It is still very much in our hands. 

West Brom, Palace, Brighton, West Ham, and Fulham. Should be getting 13-15 points maximum. 

Not really, I think?

Leicester are in 3rd, have a game in hand and we play them later this season. If they win, they go 5 points clear of us.

West Ham, Everton and Spurs each have 2 games in hand and can easily overtake us if they win both. 

Just like the last 2 seasons, we're gonna need other teams to fuck up a little bit in the run-in (AGAIN!).