The Tuchel Thread

[Blues Forever 1,232]

 

[Blues Forever 1,232]

 

[robsblubot 3,595]

Ruthlessness is when we want to make harsh stupid decisions sound cool and edgy.

Still makes no sense to upend work over and over again… sorry if you don’t see that then you don’t really know how “football” is made.

the most successful clubs in the world simply do not roll that way. And that’s for a very good reason.

[Artandur 939]

We've basically been on a nearly constant downhill slope for more than a season now, with barely any signs of progress. To be honest we've probably been playing our worst football we've played under TT these last few games. Obviously its always a gamble to sack a generally beloved manager, who achieved sth with the club, and we'll just have to wait and see how it turns out. But calling the decision rash or unwarranted i can't subscribe to, considering the trend we're on and the time we've been on it already.

Edited September 8, 2022 by Artandur

[Special Juan 28,759]

Potter off to Brighton training this morning to say goodbye to the players and staff, sounds like it's all done.

[tsikiosio 0]

really? i have not see any confirmation on twitter. good appointment just hope he doesnt abuse his attention in whatsapp!

[Seymop 90]

Not that it matters now, but the demise of Tuchel seemed to coincide with him splitting from his wife. I know there were other things going on at the club, but whoever you are it’s difficult to concentrate on your job when your personal life is in turmoil . Really not sure Potter is the answer, but he might at least get us going forwards instead of backwards or sideways !!! 

 

[Blues Forever 1,232]

 

Edited September 8, 2022 by Blues Forever

[Special Juan 28,759]

These names like Poch and Amorim are just hear say, it's Potters job unless anything drastic happens

[Blues Forever 1,232]

 

[Reddish-Blue 2,669]

46 minutes ago, robsblubot said:

Ruthlessness is when we want to make harsh stupid decisions sound cool and edgy.

Still makes no sense to upend work over and over again… sorry if you don’t see that then you don’t really know how “football” is made.

the most successful clubs in the world simply do not roll that way. And that’s for a very good reason.

The most successful clubs tend to play their way out of issues and it doesn't look this bad and disjointed game after game after game. 

I really did think that the writing was on the wall after that horrid performance vs Southampton (like it was the same team that huffed & puffed against United but they couldn't do anything and they literally walked through our defense like they were wearing an invisibility cloak!)

Wonder if Tuchel's overall relationship with his 'attackers'....Pulisic, Ziyech, Werner all frustrated, Lukaku showing off his ego, Havertz being allergic to finishing...ended up costing him his job. 

 

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[Special Juan 28,759]

Great news- lets get behind him and hope that he really kicks us on.

[Superblue 6,372]

Biggest concern with Graham Potter is that lack of experience at the top level. 

He's clearly a very good coach and everything I've read and heard about him suggests he's one of the best around with regards to his man management and instilling confidence and belief in his players.

I just worry a little bit if we find ourselves in a race for the top 4, or even a title challenge, it's an alien position for him. We as a club have been so used to a plethora of top name, experienced managers who can fall back on their own previous experiences. Even in the case of Lampard, whilst he didn't have those experiences as a manager he could at least still call on his experiences in those situations as a player. No doubts in my mind, if this was the old ownership then Poch or Zidane would be well above Potter in the wanted list.

It is something we will need to be prepared for as Potter has absolutely no experience throughout his playing or managerial career of these top level situations. Arsenal have experienced similar with Arteta (who at the very least had a top level playing career himself and experience as a coach under Pep) and are having to trust a process which besides an FA Cup win hasn't bore the fruit they desire yet. 

As I said previously I'm intrigued whether Potter can take that step and I'm intrigued on how the ownership structures us in the future and supports him. Hopefully it's the start of something great but it is definitely a huge move away from what we've been accustomed to for the last couple of decades.

[lucio 5,418]

22 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

Great news- lets get behind him and hope that he really kicks us on.

It’s shite news. Graham fucking potter 😂 guarantee he wins nothing 

[didi007 69]

12 hours ago, robsblubot said:

Not entirely true is it? the threshold at Chelsea seems to be unique amongst the big clubs in the PL.

Liverpool understood Klopp when he lost VVD for a season and ended up chasing nothing.

Reckon what happen at Chelsea was far worse than that considering it *also* included losing a key player.

They were still playing good football. Nobody really enjoyed the football TT was playing lately

[Seymop 90]

As I said previously I'm intrigued whether Potter can take that step and I'm intrigued on how the ownership structures us in the future and supports him. Hopefully it's the start of something great but it is definitely a huge move away from what we've been accustomed to for the last couple of decades.

now that’s the million question !! Potter wouldn’t have been my choice, but if it’s a done deal we have to get the prayer mat out and get behind him.

But of course it’s not really about us. It’s the players who have to buy in to him (and will they ?) and will future potential big name signings want play for him ? I guess only time will tell.

[Pizy 19,277]

Again, I’m not really all that worried about any of the actual coaching with Potter. The whole “he doesn’t have experience at the top level” stuff is overblown. You see with the way his team performs against all the big PL sides that he does the scouting work and puts together a great tactical plan to have a small club like Brighton going toe to toe with teams far beyond their financial standing.

What we have to be concerned about is whether all of these star players embrace him and respect him. 

[milka 3,407]

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Edited September 8, 2022 by milka

[ZAPHOD2319 4,947]

Matt Law is detailing that Tuchel pretty much refused to embrace any of the changes that Clearlake were trying to make to bring a more collaborative approach to Chelsea. Tuchel wanted to be isolated to do his own thing and was not cooperating with them on transfers. The speculation that the players went to the board is wrong. It was a rift between the owners and Tuchel.