The Tuchel Thread

[Superblue 6,372]

2 minutes ago, Pizy said:

See a lot of you here and lots on Twitter who are against Poch. Personally, I’d have either Poch or Potter without complaint.

I don’t hold Poch’s time at PSG against him a single bit just like I didn’t with Tuchel. Much like our own club, it doesn’t matter whether you’re a world class coach or not, you’ll eventually get on the wrong side of the hugely powerful players and get sacked. Nobody is going to succeed there longer than a few years. His Spuds team before it went totally stale were a machine. If he can replicate that here I wouldn’t mind.

Potter could be special and a stroke of genius IF these egomaniac players buy in. Will they listen to a coach from Brighton without a flashy CV?

That Spurs team on paper was very strong (as mentioned every 5 minutes at the time by the media) and he won nothing with it. 2 cup finals that they were comprehensively outplayed and beaten in both and one second place finish where they didn't get close to catching us. For me, he had opportunities to kick them on and never did and that Spurs team got worse over time because his recruitment was rubbish.

I feel like he's someone who's had his chance now at the top table a couple of times and proven to not really be it. My hatred for all things Spurs probably soils my thoughts on him further I must admit, but I do believe he's overhyped.

He shouldn't be in the conversation of the likes of Zidane, Enrique, Flick, etc who are big name coaches that actually have a record of winning big trophies. If you're not going down that route, and you're looking at a 'project' manager for the long term I'd rather hang my hat on someone like Graham Potter and take my chances with that than I would with Poch. 

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5 minutes ago, Jype said:

Would have expected him to be given time till at least a new DoF is appointed before getting the boot. Boehly and his band probably have no clue which manager to appoint that suits our current personnel.

In hindsight the writing's been on the wall since pre-season, and more specifically the Arsenal game. Not so much the performances in the pre-season games but the interviews Tuchel gave to the media, basically throwing a lot of players under the bus for not being committed both mentally and physically. The same kind of comments continued into the new season after almost every match, which indicated problems inside the dressing room.

What I don't get, however, is the timing of all this. Why was Tuchel being given lots of responsibility regarding transfer targets and player sales if the problems have been looming behind the scenes since pre-season? Now we have lots of players brought in for big money who may not even be good fits for the next manager. Aubameyang was brought in specifically to please Tuchel, while the likes of Werner, CHO, Gilmour were all let go because Tuchel didn't want to keep them. Now less than a week after the window is closed Tuchel is gone and the next manager might well have other ideas?

Player power at Chelsea FC strikes again. Even the ones who've previously played well under Tuchel's management seem to have turned shit overnight and it's not been a tactical issue either. It's fucking bullshit but nothing we can do about it really. Just hope whoever comes in can turn things around quickly because nothing's been lost yet and we have the quality to be better than the shite we've seen this season.

Potter would be my choice if he can be acquired. Could be willing to go for Pochettino or even Rodgers at a pinch if Potter is unavailable. Just need to stay clear of Zidane.

Wtf Rodgers??? 

[ZAPHOD2319 4,801]

Poch seems like the easiest appointment.

[Gundalf 805]

 

[chelsea_4_eva 1,180]

Opened instagram and this is the first thing I see, quite shocked it has come so fast tbh. But there was something definitely wrong, this is a team that almost knocked our RM last season with a 3 goal deficit. From that passion to this dire situation, something must be up.

 

Also with Potter he does play with 3ATB sometimes, so that would be helpful.

[Special Juan 28,093]

Contacts ongoing for Potter- Boehly on it according to Romano

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3 minutes ago, Gundalf said:

BHA seemed to be very stubborn about the Cucurella deal. Im suprised they let us talk to him. 

Maybe they already know he will turn us down tho. 

I don't feel they were "stubborn", they were professional trying to squeeze crazy amount of money from a rich club, and that's what happened.

 

I don't see why Potter would be so stick to Brighton job. He is doing great job but what is the project he should be staying with so much? They can achieve 7-8th place if they perform extremely good, but that's the limit.. 

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[Strike 7,474]

 

Potter the priority target

[milka 3,390]

 

[Gundalf 805]

Its really going quickly now. Probably already had talks before that. Wouldnt be surprised to see our next manager getting announced tomorrow. 

[ZAPHOD2319 4,801]

I bet Boehly's phone history has a recent call to Roman. 😈

[Superblue 6,372]

7 minutes ago, Jype said:

Would have expected him to be given time till at least a new DoF is appointed before getting the boot. Boehly and his band probably have no clue which manager to appoint that suits our current personnel.

In hindsight the writing's been on the wall since pre-season, and more specifically the Arsenal game. Not so much the performances in the pre-season games but the interviews Tuchel gave to the media, basically throwing a lot of players under the bus for not being committed both mentally and physically. The same kind of comments continued into the new season after almost every match, which indicated problems inside the dressing room.

What I don't get, however, is the timing of all this. Why was Tuchel being given lots of responsibility regarding transfer targets and player sales if the problems have been looming behind the scenes since pre-season? Now we have lots of players brought in for big money who may not even be good fits for the next manager. Aubameyang was brought in specifically to please Tuchel, while the likes of Werner, CHO, Gilmour were all let go because Tuchel didn't want to keep them. Now less than a week after the window is closed Tuchel is gone and the next manager might well have other ideas?

Player power at Chelsea FC strikes again. Even the ones who've previously played well under Tuchel's management seem to have turned shit overnight and it's not been a tactical issue either. It's fucking bullshit but nothing we can do about it really. Just hope whoever comes in can turn things around quickly because nothing's been lost yet and we have the quality to be better than the shite we've seen this season.

Potter would be my choice if he can be acquired. Could be willing to go for Pochettino or even Rodgers at a pinch if Potter is unavailable. Just need to stay clear of Zidane.

Aubameyang is the head scratcher, especially if reports are to be believed that Boehly really wanted Ronaldo instead.

But besides that I don't think the players we've signed are much of an issue with regards to a new manager and if anything whilst we still need time to reshape the squad, it is now set up better to play both back 4 and back 3 formations compared to last year. Fofana and Koulibaly allow us to play in a back 4 if we choose to which we didn't really have those options before their arrival with the other defenders we have. Cucurella similarly allows more flexibility than Alonso provided, and offers a genuine competition on the left flank to Chilwell. Sterling is a quality addition to the squad. Zakaria provides a different midfield option and in any way is short term if it doesn't work out. And the younger players have time to be moulded and coached anyway.

We're getting stories now that the board wanted Gordon but Tuchel didn't whereas during the window it was suggested Tuchel was pushing for him. This makes you question of all the players we did bid for in the summer, were they all Tuchel choices? Were some of the signings this summer a collaborative effort rather than simply just being Tuchel suggested? A lot of questions at the moment where I'm sure more things will be leaked in the coming days but I don't necessarily look at our squad and see it scream to me that its set up for Tuchel only.

[Special Juan 28,093]

We have met the release clause for Potter and Brighton have allowed Potter to speak to us.

[Vegetable 830]

We are headless chicken of a club, I'm sick of this way of management, don't care if a new temporary manager does good for another 9-15 months, we are never getting anywhere this way. 

 

Unless there was a major conflict between Tuchel and Board, as it was with him with previous clubs, I'm just pissed off.