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The sacking of. Frank has proved once and for all there will never be a "project" under RA.

Like every manager before him, TT will have to consistently win trophies, or be sacked.

If TT wins the CL it will put enormous pressure on him to win the league or retain the CL next season. Anything less and hell be judged the same way Carlo was after his second season.

Should give managers more time but we don't and won't, so we just have to get on with it.

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2 hours ago, chippy said:

The sacking of. Frank has proved once and for all there will never be a "project" under RA.

Like every manager before him, TT will have to consistently win trophies, or be sacked.

If TT wins the CL it will put enormous pressure on him to win the league or retain the CL next season. Anything less and hell be judged the same way Carlo was after his second season.

Should give managers more time but we don't and won't, so we just have to get on with it.

I'd agree regarding the project idea but I don't think the demands are as great as they were at the club 8 - 10 years ago.

I think as long as the club are still trending upwards rather than free-falling, and there are no issues or controversy between board and manager, I think there is a greater patience now.

For example if we came top 4 next season but were much closer to first place, I don't believe that would cost Tuchel his job.

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3 hours ago, chippy said:

The sacking of. Frank has proved once and for all there will never be a "project" under RA.

Like every manager before him, TT will have to consistently win trophies, or be sacked.

If TT wins the CL it will put enormous pressure on him to win the league or retain the CL next season. Anything less and hell be judged the same way Carlo was after his second season.

Should give managers more time but we don't and won't, so we just have to get on with it.

Yes, we still want to win trophies (and we haven't won anything yet) but given the profile of the current squad, there has to be progress and improvement. This isn't a ready made squad like 11-12 years ago.

The problem with Lampard was that there was no progress made during his 18 months in charge. Yes, we had that long unbeaten run earlier this season but by the end of his reign, it became obvious that the problems we saw last season were still there. There was no clear playing style and tactical idea, the pressing was all over the place, the team kept conceding on the break, he didn't seem to have any idea how to use the new players effectively and among others. We were either good or hopelessly bad. There was no middle ground. And this after spending more than 200 million on players in the summer. 

In less than 4 months, Tuchel has not only turned those weaknesses into strengths, he has also made progress with the team, collectively and individually. Plus, he has also made better use of the resources at hand. Yes, there are some deadwoods in the squad that we would likely sell (e.g. Emerson) but he has kept everyone on side and helped form what seemed to be tight-knit group among the players. Notice how the players seem to be mentioning the word "team" a lot these days. Obviously, the club will judge Tuchel on trophies but at the very least, he has put us on the right track again.

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We'd be 10th and knocked out of all competitions had we continued with Lampard. I'm glad Roman and co are not on board with managerial 'projects'. Especially with inexperienced managers. We'd be in a similar position Arsenal find themselves in.

The 'project' the club is striving for is becoming more sustainable. Fairly certain if we win both the FA Cup and Champions league this season, and go on not to win the league next season, Tuchel's job won't be on the line should we still see signs of progression and sustainability. Ancelotti wasn't sacked for not winning the league. 

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31 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

We'd be 10th and knocked out of all competitions had we continued with Lampard. 

There was something amateurish about Frank and his team. Him laughing on the bench in important moments not to mention his first assistant is alcoholic... 

 

33 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Ancelotti wasn't sacked for not winning the league. 

But for not winning CL... 

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10 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

But for not winning CL... 

Neither that. It was evident he was relying on the experience of our veteran players to get us out of slumps vs any tactical changes from him. He received the same criticism at Real, PSG, and Bayern, When the going gets tough, its stays that way under him. 

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hace 15 minutos, NikkiCFC dijo:

There was something amateurish about Frank and his team. Him laughing on the bench in important moments not to mention his first assistant is alcoholic... 

 

But for not winning CL... 

Are retired players not allowed to drink? Or you making stories up? Never heard that one before, if your talking about Jody Morris that is. 

I think some people forget that the majority of these guys spend 20 yesrs playing a high competitive sport which means they dont get the same freedom to do what they want or go to the pub with their mates or family or whatever like us regular folks do. Yes they get the money and whatever else but its a big exchange for a lot of sacrifices also. 

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If we don't manage to win either The FA Cup or CL.. I fear TT Wil be axed but I really hope not. He is obviously a great manager and there isnt many more to chose from out there who we haven't had already bar Byerns coach who is leaving at the end of the season.

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