Super Frank Thread

[OneMoSalah 8,883]

3 hours ago, Jason said:

Frank Lampard's Chelsea are the real deal - this honeymoon period should not fade like Ole Gunnar Solskjaer's

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/10/29/frank-lampards-chelsea-real-deal-honeymoon-period-should-not/

 

 

Easy to get carried away. We went 18 games unbeaten under Sarri and all wasnt exactly well and good after that and even during that run. United went 13 or 14 unbeaten under Ole and now look. There's still lots for us to improve upon, defending set pieces, keeping clean sheets in general and without Pulisic's individual brilliance v Ajax and Burnley we arguably werent clinical or creative enough in spells of the games where we should of been due to how we played.

These journalists havent taken into the account that we have got a lot of young players in key positions that make up the spine of a team (CB, AM, CF) and like all young players there will be games where they struggle or spells where they are inconsistent. 

We have to be patient with this team. Its easy to get excited yes but we are only 10 weeks into the season and still we havent played Man City, Arsenal and Spurs. Theres been plenty good so far but I do imagine this season still wont be plain sailing at all which other journalists and media outlets seem to be pointing towards. We should manage top 4 but Arsenal, Tottenham, United and even Leicester will push to the end for it too despite form, injuries, whatever else. 

 

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

6 hours ago, Jason said:

Frank Lampard's Chelsea are the real deal - this honeymoon period should not fade like Ole Gunnar Solskjaer's

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/10/29/frank-lampards-chelsea-real-deal-honeymoon-period-should-not/

 

 

I think a main difference is that OGS was just an ok player for ManUre whilst Lampard was absolute world class and is our greatest ever player and thus commands way more resepct within the club including the squad so he will definitely be given more time. Also Lamps has managed to transform the squad such that we now are very balanced with a lot of young players buying into Lampards ideas, and who can still be moulded whilst ManU have a very heterogenous group consisting of the remnants of various untuned shopping sprees of toxic egos, followers, a few fairly decent players and a few middling talents. That being said they are still more experienced than us in key positions so it will be a close call tomorrow and it is not guaranteed to stay this way if we become complacent.

In the end however the main reason for ManUre's demise is unrelated to OGS but rather the consequence of Utd being run to generate shareholder value rather than win trophies. Especially their IPO has been the final nail  in their coffin.

[Jase 43,479]

Chelsea’s Frank Lampard says dropping youngsters is only for ‘flip-floppers’

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/oct/29/frank-lampard-chelsea-manager-manchester-united-carabao-cup

“There is a lot of noise, win, lose or draw; selection, whatever 11 I pick,” he said. “With this big wide world of social media it will be dissected and people will have different opinions and some people who are ex-players or ex-managers will have different opinions.

“I set out this season to see what these young boys could do. If I didn’t have a transfer ban and came to this club and had opportunities to bring players in during the summer, I still would have trusted the young boys. For me to have thrown that away after one game at Manchester United and a few opinions, that would have made me a bit of a flip-flopper.”

Lampard, whose back four could look even more youthful if Reece James and Marc Guehi start against United, was asked what happens to young players who are dropped after one bad game. “That’s part of the process for a young player,” he said. “They have to feel you believe in them. I remember my managers giving me that sense they believed in me because everybody will have a bad game or an off day. I think that’s part of my job, to give all my players belief, but particularly the young ones who are playing their first games or whatever at Old Trafford.”

[Vesper 30,085]

5 hours ago, Jason said:

Chelsea’s Frank Lampard says dropping youngsters is only for ‘flip-floppers’

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/oct/29/frank-lampard-chelsea-manager-manchester-united-carabao-cup

 

 

Love this attitude!

[Tomo 21,751]

There's two things that really put Lamps in a good light and make me convinced he's destined to be a top manager.

1. His coaching staff. He has picked appropriate coaching staff, given he wants to the play the youth and a ingrane a modern approach to football who better to bring in next to him than the two managers that got the very best out of these boys? This could also give us continuity if Lampard decides he needs a new challenge and/or gets burned out as Jody or Joe could seemlessly slot into the job, like Tito did after Pep left Barca. The signs of a great manager is one who's willing to accept he needs help, look at what happened to Moyes when he walked into United and thought it was a good idea to get shot of Fergie's coaching staff (who were all willing to stay and ease the process for Moyes).

2. How he does it his own way. Despite him citing Jose as a mentor in his career he couldn't be further from him as a manager in terms of tactical approach, media handling, ego and selection patterns. Compare that to OGS at United who's basically saying "I want to emulate Fergie" every chance he gets.

[ZAPHOD2319 4,801]

He is so well spoken about what he wants and what he sees that needs to be done. Most of what he says is not prepared, it is very nice in an age where most managers in all sports just repeat the same prepared statements.

[Jase 43,479]

2 hours ago, Tomo said:

There's two things that really put Lamps in a good light and make me convinced he's destined to be a top manager.

1. His coaching staff. He has picked appropriate coaching staff, given he wants to the play the youth and a ingrane a modern approach to football who better to bring in next to him than the two managers that got the very best out of these boys? This could also give us continuity if Lampard decides he needs a new challenge and/or gets burned out as Jody or Joe could seemlessly slot into the job, like Tito did after Pep left Barca. The signs of a great manager is one who's willing to accept he needs help, look at what happened to Moyes when he walked into United and thought it was a good idea to get shot of Fergie's coaching staff (who were all willing to stay and ease the process for Moyes).

2. How he does it his own way. Despite him citing Jose as a mentor in his career he couldn't be further from him as a manager in terms of tactical approach, media handling, ego and selection patterns. Compare that to OGS at United who's basically saying "I want to emulate Fergie" every chance he gets.

Two underrated factors about Lampard are (1) he's English and (2) he articulates his points extremely well. Every time he answers a question, he always responds in depth, explains his reasoning in detail and because he also has a strong command of the English language, he is able to convey his points clear and precise. The language factor is not a criticism of past managers but with Lampard, there's no beat around the bush or read between the lines or things like that in the things he says. What you hear from him is what you get - clear, precise, direct. It's quite refreshing actually. 

[Laylabelle 9,534]

He's December bloke on the Chelsea calander 

[Jase 43,479]

5 minutes ago, Laylabelle said:

He's December bloke on the Chelsea calander 

Beware of the dreaded winter slump. 

[Laylabelle 9,534]

7 minutes ago, Jason said:

Beware of the dreaded winter slump. 

Haha that be awkward if he gets the sack! Get to December next year oh there he is! 

[OneMoSalah 8,883]

Personally feel the lack of minutes he has given the likes of Batshuayi, Giroud and Pedro didnt help tonight.

If theyd played more in the run they would of been more useful tonight as opposed to being rusty and in the next upcoming amount of games (although Giroud didnt play tonight he would of been a different proposition to Bats and even Tammy). Also think not subbing one of the MF players and Callum at HT was a mistake but hopefully he will learn from these things as he has from the other mistakes hes made.

Mount just brings something different to the team, more understanding of when to play simple or complicated, much more urgency and the aggression without the ball. Never thought Id say it this early but he looks like he may be a key cog for us this year despire it being his first season in the first team squad.

[MoroccanBlue 5,375]

Hard to rotate given injuries and how unreliable some options we have tbh

[Jase 43,479]

6 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

If theyd played more in the run they would of been more useful tonight as opposed to being rusty and in the next upcoming amount of games (although Giroud didnt play tonight he would of been a different proposition to Bats and even Tammy). Also think not subbing one of the MF players and Callum at HT was a mistake but hopefully he will learn from these things as he has from the other mistakes hes made.

Lampard just doesn't fancy Giroud it seems and with Batshuayi, think yesterday's performance showed why he hasn't been starting games really. Looked poor throughout the game and no different to his cameo starts under previous managers.

6 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

Mount just brings something different to the team, more understanding of when to play simple or complicated, much more urgency and the aggression without the ball. Never thought Id say it this early but he looks like he may be a key cog for us this year despire it being his first season in the first team squad.

It highlights our lack of backup option for him. Our midfield last night provided ZERO attacking runs. All 3 wanted ball at their feet and no one was making the runs. All left to Pulisic, CHO, Batshuayi trying to make something happen against United's mass defence. 

[Tomo 21,751]

12 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

Personally feel the lack of minutes he has given the likes of Batshuayi, Giroud and Pedro didnt help tonight.

If theyd played more in the run they would of been more useful tonight as opposed to being rusty and in the next upcoming amount of games (although Giroud didnt play tonight he would of been a different proposition to Bats and even Tammy). Also think not subbing one of the MF players and Callum at HT was a mistake but hopefully he will learn from these things as he has from the other mistakes hes made.

Mount just brings something different to the team, more understanding of when to play simple or complicated, much more urgency and the aggression without the ball. Never thought Id say it this early but he looks like he may be a key cog for us this year despire it being his first season in the first team squad.

I think the main problem is we felt so so about the game whereas United really wanted it. Had our "so so" approach gone up against Liverpool who were as good as actively trying to lose we'd have probably have won 5-1 or something like that (Arsenal have got away with negative coverage big time for actually getting knocked out to that side), like we did in the cup vs City that time.

[Jase 43,479]