Jorginho

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I am not even a big Jorginho fan but what a boss. Stepped on that pitch like he owns it and just passed the ball around for fun. His passing is so clean, how we have missed that. Feeling much more confident about the run in as long as Lamps plays him again. Also no sign of rustiness at all no idea how he managed that.

[Special Juan 27,106]

It didn't need anything special from him to come on and make an impact. Gilmour was muck spreading from the word go again, he needs to be reset and start again.

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I am really, really curious about what has happened between Lampard and Jorginho. Whatever flaws Jorginho has, it is quite bizarre to see a manager who made him vice captain and praised him so much pre-pandemic to suddenly not playing him at all. 

[killer1257 3,282]

I am really, really curious about what has happened between Lampard and Jorginho. Whatever flaws Jorginho has, it is quite bizarre to see a manager who made him vice captain and praised him so much pre-pandemic to suddenly not playing him at all. 

Maybe he does not like his agent that talks every two weeks about Jorgi leaving to Juventus

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2 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

Maybe he does not like his agent that talks every two weeks about Jorgi leaving to Juventus

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If Lampard isn't playing Jorginho because of that, then he needs slapping. Jorginho's agent has always been a talkative bastard anyway. 

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21 minutes ago, Jason said:

I am really, really curious about what has happened between Lampard and Jorginho. Whatever flaws Jorginho has, it is quite bizarre to see a manager who made him vice captain and praised him so much pre-pandemic to suddenly not playing him at all. 

I think it's mainly down to our attacking players being shite in front of the goal and Frank is trying to counter that by playing two 8's who can score regularly. Either way, it's madness.

Maurizio Sarri is far from being the only manager in the world who'd make Jorginho first name on the team sheet. Selling him would be a big mistake

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4 minutes ago, !Hazard! said:

I think it's mainly down to our attacking players being shite in front of the goal and Frank is trying to counter that by playing two 8's who can score regularly. Either way, it's madness.

Maurizio Sarri is far from being the only manager who'd make Jorginho first name on the team sheet

But it's still quite bizarre that he hadn't played a single minute since the restart until today. Gilmour will be a fine player for us in the future but he is still young and not playing great right now. Lampard talked about having experienced players being important in this run-in and yet Jorginho has been tossed aside completely for whatever reason.

[OneMoSalah 8,618]

Has to be starting every game to the end of the season now please. If not something terribly wrong. Losing control in games is an issue and we all seen the difference he made tonight, always wanting the ball, always making space to receive it, always making the right pass. If FL didnt notice the difference tonight then he never will.

[Blue Armour 4,174]

I've been saying it. Plenty of people on this forum have been saying it.

The moment we lost Kante and Kovacic, we should have resorted to Jorginho to control the midfield. He finally plays in this match, probably 70 mins later than he should have.

4 hours ago, Jason said:

I am really, really curious about what has happened between Lampard and Jorginho. Whatever flaws Jorginho has, it is quite bizarre to see a manager who made him vice captain and praised him so much pre-pandemic to suddenly not playing him at all. 

Its bizarre.

Even if the intent is to move past Jorginho in the future, why would you sacrifice the game when it was obvious we were playing like a 10 man team with Gilmour in the middle of the park. He waited so long to introduce Joginho.

Embarrassing to concede 60% of the possession to Crystal Palace.

Gilmour has NOT looked the same since the restart. Its actually detrimental to keep playing him in this state, as his confidence will only plummet. His passing (even though the intent of his passes were good) were off the mark, and led to so many turnovers. Too lightweight and poor positioning in our defensive transitions, barely making interceptions.

Hope Jorginho starts the next game, especially if Kante and Kovacic are out longer. I would start him even if one those 2 were actually available.

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https://theathletic.com/1915926/2020/07/08/jorginho-chelsea-lampard-frank-gilmour-sarri/

According to The Athletic, Jorginho's agent will hold talks with the club about his future at the end of the season. Jorginho is settled in London but keeping an open mind about his future. A move to Juventus is not out of the question but nothing from them so far to suggest they are prepared to pay the money that Marina will demand for Jorginho, who still has 3 years left on his contract.

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[PRE-CRYSTAL PALACE]  Lampard on what he wants from the midfield...

https://www.chelseafc.com/en/news/2020/07/07/lampard--i-want-my-midfield-fluid

‘I do really take each game as it comes,’ he says.

‘Playing teams with low blocks that make it difficult for you, to be able to get players that arrive with real technical abilities high up the pitch and around the box, and find a pass or take someone out the game with skill and a finish, is big in those games.

‘If we feel like we are going to have a lot of control, generally I play with midfield players that can play high, can play on the side, and can do the defensive duties as well. Mason Mount really has that and his work off the ball is fantastic for us. If I feel like getting him higher up the pitch and put more pressure on the other team if they want to play out, that can help us off the ball.

‘Sometimes I will ask him to do a slightly different role with the ball where he comes deeper to make sure that he is not missing out on the ball, because he is a good player who needs to be on the ball deeper. He and Ross can perform in that kind of role.’

‘With Jorginho, I think he also can but his role predominantly in his career has been from a deeper position,’ he adds.

‘Jorginho has to do nothing different [to earn selection]. He trains well, he is good for the group on and off the pitch, he is vice-captain of the club.

‘It is purely my choice at the moment with what I see and the games in front of me and how I like the make-up of the midfield to be. Sometimes it can be affected by the other players that are in that midfield where I think we need more defensive attributes in the game. He doesn’t need to do anything, it is purely my choice.

‘So I have those good [selection] problems in the team. I like to work on the midfield so it is fluid as it possibly can be, so we give teams problems when we are playing well. In some performances recently, Watford being one, and Everton before lockdown, I saw a real fluid movement of the midfield which I really liked, so we have to continue working on that.’

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Lampard on Jorginho post-Crystal Palace...

https://metro.co.uk/2020/07/08/frank-lampard-singles-one-quality-jorginho-chelseas-win-crystal-palace-12959350/

Asked if Billy Gilmour is now ahead of Jorginho, Lampard replied: ‘It’s certainly not a case of being number one.

‘I thought Jorginho when he came on was quality. We needed his experience and his ball retention. He made a lot of passes and calmed us down.

‘I think Billy did okay as well but I don’t think it was our midfield’s best performance today. That’s not just Billy, I think generally we can do better than that.

‘The players know that but it’s part of their experience because they’re pretty young in there. Without a doubt Jorginho it’s not a case of being number one.

‘Players like Jorginho are invaluable. He’s played a lot of games for me this season and he’ll continue to be important for us.’

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16 minutes ago, Jason said:

Lampard on Jorginho post-Crystal Palace...

https://metro.co.uk/2020/07/08/frank-lampard-singles-one-quality-jorginho-chelseas-win-crystal-palace-12959350/

 

 

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Hopefully he means this and isn't just playing the diplomat. With our dramatic improvement in attacking options next season Jorginho can be a massive part in helping us dominate teams. Should never be sold this summer.

[whats happening 1,440]

kante is more important than jorginho. looks like olny one will play.

[Vesper 27,396]

Talks to be held over Jorginho future as he finds himself on the outside

https://theathletic.com/1915926/2020/07/08/jorginho-chelsea-lampard-frank-gilmour-sarri/

Jorginho’s first appearance of Project Restart was only 15 minutes long, but it encompassed pretty much everything that has defined his Chelsea career to date – as well as where it might be going.

Three of his first seven touches at Selhurst Park on Tuesday night were passes. Only the opener gave any hint of rustiness; sent low out to the right, far enough ahead of Reece James that it tempted Patrick van Aanholt into a slide for the ball that conceded a free kick. The second, a sharp redirection of play into the feet of Kurt Zouma, got Chelsea on the front foot.

The third, floated 30 yards perfectly on to Willian’s chest on the right flank, was the proof this bushy-haired and heavily bearded man sent on to replace Billy Gilmour around 90 seconds earlier was indeed Jorginho in form as well as name. A match that had been chaotic and disjointed for long stretches immediately fell under his metronomic spell; Chelsea had 80 per cent of possession for the five minutes that followed his introduction, without Crystal Palace mustering a single shot.

Jorginho ended up completing 26 of 29 attempted passes, touching the ball more times (33) as an 80th-minute substitute than Ross Barkley (32) did as a starter brought off after 65 minutes. Chelsea coach Frank Lampard admitted the Italy international had succeeded in “calming the team” when he came on. Yet the storm still arrived in added time as Palace pushed hard for an equaliser, and when it did, the man with his hand on the tiller very nearly got swept away with the ship.

Jorginho pass map vs Crystal Palace

This has been the story of Jorginho’s career at Chelsea. His mere presence at the base of midfield conditions the entire team’s style of play, but his rare ability to dictate football matches with his technical quality and tactical intelligence is in constant peril – at times due to his athletic limitations, at times because of the mistakes of those around him, and occasionally just because in the Premier League, five minutes of high-tempo anarchy is never off the table.

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If he has felt any frustration about his sudden plummet down Chelsea’s midfield pecking order, Jorginho has kept it to himself. He flashed a smile as he jogged up and down the Stamford Bridge pitch with the other substitutes after Saturday’s 3-0 win over Watford, and offered encouragement to Gilmour as the 19-year-old trotted towards him in the 80th minute at Selhurst Park.

“He has been very professional about it,” Lampard said prior to the Palace game. “He wants to play as every player does. It is one of the hardest parts of the job is telling a player who is not playing, or picking a squad and leaving out players — particularly when they are not training well, and Jorginho always trains well. But he has handled it professionally and that’s what I would expect.”

Jorginho is keeping an open mind about his future too. Sources have told The Athletic that talks between his agent and Chelsea director Marina Granovskaia will be held soon after the end of the season to assess the situation. He has three years to run on the contract he signed in the summer of 2018 and is settled in London, but personal happiness and professional fulfilment are linked.

Juventus have always been seen as his likeliest suitors, but a potential reunion with Maurizio Sarri has been complicated by the Serie A champions’ success in trading away Miralem Pjanic for Barcelona midfielder Arthur. Even if the Brazilian is not tasked with adapting to the Jorginho role, Rodrigo Bentancur played the position with notable success prior to the pandemic shutdown.

Chelsea were never interested in Pjanic, and there has been nothing yet from Juventus to suggest they are prepared to pay the kind of money Granovskaia is entitled to believe Jorginho should still command; part of the mutual appeal of the Pjanic-Arthur swap was that it allowed Juventus and Barcelona to enact a favourable restructuring of their stretched financial accounts.

That is not to say that a move to Juventus is out of the question. Much like Chelsea, they pride themselves on being opportunistic as well as strategic in the transfer market, adapting their plans depending on the options that arise and the messages that are sent out, subtly or otherwise, by other clubs. The message being sent by Lampard in this case is clear: Jorginho is free to leave if a deal can be struck that works for player and club.

“He does not have to do anything different,” Lampard said of Jorginho ahead of the Palace game. “He trains well, he shows me that he’s good for the group, on and off the pitch, he’s vice-captain of the club. It’s purely my choice with what I see from the games, how I want the make-up of my midfield to be.”

On the surface it reads as a compliment; Jorginho’s absence is nothing to do with his attitude or application. But the implication is more ominous: if the fault is not with him, then it is something beyond his power to fix. What can he possibly do to change Lampard’s mind?

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“I do like midfield players who can play high, can play on the side, can do the defensive duties and Mason (Mount) really has that,” Lampard said when asked about his midfielders prior to the Palace game. “His work off the ball is fantastic and if I feel like getting him high up the pitch to put more pressure on the other team if they want to play out, that can help us off the ball.

“Sometimes I’ll ask him to do a slightly different role where he comes deeper to make sure he’s not missing out on the ball. Ross can perform that kind of role. (Mateo) Kovacic can perform that kind of role. Ruben Loftus-Cheek can perform that kind of role. (N’Golo) Kante can perform that kind of role. Gilmour can. Jorginho also can but his role predominantly in his career has been from a deeper position. I like to work on the midfield, making it as fluid as it possibly can be.”

Sarri saw the singular nature of Jorginho’s skill set as a positive; once Chelsea allowed Cesc Fabregas to depart for Monaco in January 2019, he insisted no-one else in the squad was technically equipped to back up his passing hub. Lampard wants a different kind of midfield, consisting of generalists capable of contributing to all aspects of play. Jorginho, the archetypal specialist, is the odd man out.

Yet even if he now finds himself on the wrong side of a manager’s ideology, Jorginho’s cameo at Selhurst Park underlined the value he can still provide in what remains of this season.

Lampard must also be pragmatic if he wants to make sure of guiding Chelsea to Champions League qualification. Kante’s “low-level” hamstring problem is very likely to rule him out of Saturday’s clash with Sheffield United, and his recent injury history suggests a swift return cannot be counted on. Gilmour showed flashes of his prodigious talent against Palace, completing 62 of his 68 attempted passes, but never quite reached the level of influence of the man who replaced him.

As he waits to find out what his future holds, Jorginho’s distinctive brand of midfield control might be Chelsea’s best hope of keeping their rivals – and their own flaws – at bay for now.

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Jorginho on the Palace game and not playing...

https://www.chelseafc.com/en/news/2020/07/08/jorginho-on-a-good-performance-overall-and-being-ready-to-help-t

‘Overall it was a good performance,’ said Jorginho as he assessed the game.

‘We created opportunities, and we just need to be more effective when we have chances up front. We like to suffer.

‘We need to learn to finish the game before the last minute, to be more clinical to avoid that tension at the end, but we are creating opportunities which is a positive.’

Frank Lampard explained prior to kick-off yesterday that his decision to start Gilmour ahead of Jorginho was just his choice for what he believed would suit the team best, based on training and previous matches, and nothing to do with speculation linking our no.5 with a move away from the Bridge.

‘I just have to stay focused on when the teams need me,’ stressed Jorginho. ‘There have been rumours but I haven’t heard anything, I am just focusing on finishing the season well with Chelsea and qualifying for the Champions League.’

[Supermonkey92 1,428]

Let's be honest here, there's no reason to choose Gilmour over jorginho at the moment.



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You can see on Jorgo's face he isnt very happy, and rightfully so imo. He is one of our best players and very much needed, selling would be a huge mistake.