Marcos Alonso

[ja1 1,166]

33 minutes ago, Robchels said:

Fair enough. I partially agree, so moving on.

he’s poor in defense, hence why he does a lot better as a wb and why Emerson is the better lb.

I just thought ignoring his obvious contributions in attack was unfair.

I agree I was harsh on those chances he made in their description. They were v good chances he made. I still standby my overall point that, in essence, it was just an average game at best. For reference (to show it’s not just Alonso I’m singling out but also because he had a similar game yet no one would describe his game as good). Azpilicueta also made two (even three, can’t remember) good chances and scored a marginally offside goal. Still for the amount of times both full backs had the ball, in space, it wasn’t good enough. 

 

I think we’re roughly on the same page though. I also get you rate performances kind of differently to me (I may be wrong but it seems key moments such as a goal/assist/good chance can make/break how you rate a performance, for me it’s very much everything over 90 min).

[robsblubot 3,262]

3 hours ago, ja1 said:

I agree I was harsh on those chances he made in their description. They were v good chances he made. I still standby my overall point that, in essence, it was just an average game at best. For reference (to show it’s not just Alonso I’m singling out but also because he had a similar game yet no one would describe his game as good). Azpilicueta also made two (even three, can’t remember) good chances and scored a marginally offside goal. Still for the amount of times both full backs had the ball, in space, it wasn’t good enough. 

 

I think we’re roughly on the same page though. I also get you rate performances kind of differently to me (I may be wrong but it seems key moments such as a goal/assist/good chance can make/break how you rate a performance, for me it’s very much everything over 90 min).

Yeah fair enough. Think the chances Alonso created were a lot better than what azpi did, and I have no problem with azpi btw - solid defensive RB. A better fb than Alonso is.

alonso spaces and the number of chances was all strategy. Noticed that during the match as all the passing was very much towards him and with urgency. the post match interviews corroborated that.

i honestly don’t think we will ever create more open chances against a team like Liverpool. So if we don’t convert them, that will make winning very very hard.

your point of poor defending is true. On the other hand, we seem to concede the same type of goals regardless who plays and that to me is mostly on frank.

btw that free kick was very close, which makes reacting to it very difficult. Think positioning was more important, and that was not done well at all. Regardless., rather we don’t foul players too often in that position... everybody struggles to defend set pieces from that range.

[lucio 5,418]

absolute turd

[LAM09 6,572]

absolute turd

That won the game [emoji1]

[Jase 43,479]

For most of today's game, Alonso showed why he shouldn't be starting. Ponderous and so slow to get onto any passes into space. But of course, he came up with the winner...

[Fernando 6,389]

I think he's good to have as a super sub. 

Starting 11 not good enough. 

But as a sub he would be awesome and especially if we had Carlo who loved to always used a sub as a lb/rb....

Giving the amount of space a lb/rb gets at the end of the game it will be a good idea to utilize. 

 

[Magic Lamps 11,473]

Also thought he was absolutely poor. His positioning was weird, his crosses abysmal and his lack of pace just makes it impossible for CHO to link up with him or for balls to be played into space for him.

Nonetheless his goal today was vital and expertly struck. I do not buy this "When the goalie gets a hand to it he can save it" Dubravaka had an excellent match but that shot was so vicious very few keepers would have kept that out.

[BlueLion. 21,491]

12 hours ago, Magic Lamps said:

Also thought he was absolutely poor. His positioning was weird, his crosses abysmal and his lack of pace just makes it impossible for CHO to link up with him or for balls to be played into space for him.

Nonetheless his goal today was vital and expertly struck. I do not buy this "When the goalie gets a hand to it he can save it" Dubravaka had an excellent match but that shot was so vicious very few keepers would have kept that out.

I agree on both points:

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[the wes 7,212]

We need to get rid off this clown 

[Laylabelle 9,305]

I have no clue what he was doing.. The bloke next to us wasn't a fan of his. Then he gave a penalty away and he ranted a whole lot more lol. 

[Magic Lamps 11,473]

Absolutely useless once more. He offers nothing in attack, misplaced easy passes and even though was soft dafuq can such an experienced player be so stupid to make a challenge from behind in his own box. That foul was even more silly than the pen Zouma conceded. Emerson clearly was not fit otherwise Lamptey and Azpi would not have been on the bench. Alonso rode his luck that this is the first match he has cost us this season so some might have forgotten how shit he is. It is time he gets benched again. 

[Stats 6,988]

2 hours ago, Magic Lamps said:

Absolutely useless once more. He offers nothing in attack, misplaced easy passes and even though was soft dafuq can such an experienced player be so stupid to make a challenge from behind in his own box. That foul was even more silly than the pen Zouma conceded. Emerson clearly was not fit otherwise Lamptey and Azpi would not have been on the bench. Alonso rode his luck that this is the first match he has cost us this season so some might have forgotten how shit he is. It is time he gets benched again. 

Let's be honest. He is not the fastest, but to say he offers nothing in attack is not true. He contributes goals a quite a bit for a LB/LWB. He just isn't your typical pacey fullback. Defensively he gets caught out because he is not fast, but I can guarantee you he will contribute with goals. I don't think there is another fullback with better goalscoring stats than him. But, yeah he was poor tonight.

[the wes 7,212]

Send him back to Bolton on loan lol 

[Johnnyeye 7,415]

stupid, needless challenge for the pen, what the fuck was he thinking? of course the ref was going to give it to the manc cunts. Not good enough

[Magic Lamps 11,473]

12 hours ago, Stats said:

Let's be honest. He is not the fastest, but to say he offers nothing in attack is not true. He contributes goals a quite a bit for a LB/LWB. He just isn't your typical pacey fullback. Defensively he gets caught out because he is not fast, but I can guarantee you he will contribute with goals. I don't think there is another fullback with better goalscoring stats than him. But, yeah he was poor tonight.

Was a typo, I meant yesterday he offered nothing in attack which he definitely did not. His goal vs Newcastle was vital. Yet, I do not think his occasional attacking output justifies his overall shittiness. He more often than not leaves us vulnerable and commits stupid mistakes and turnovers. I do not think his goalscoring stats are so outstanding that this remedies his defensive incapacities. He maybe scores 5,6 goals per season if he is lucky. In the history of scoring defenders this is probably not even in the top 100. You talk about him like he is Koeman. But we concede more than 6 goals per season because of his individual mistakes.  Tomori has papered over a lot of his fails now that Tomori was rested his incredible stupidity in tackling, passing and positioning was evident once more. 

[Fernando 6,389]

Again is best if he is a sub then starting 11. 
He will offer more coming in as a sub then a starter 

[Atomiswave 6,072]

20 hours ago, the wes said:

We need to get rid off this clown 

Get rid? That will be hard since MArina saw it fit to hand him a new contract. Not 1 decent team will go for him, why would they? He should be nowhere near that first 11, he is clumsy, he is slow as fuck and does some weird ass shit with his passes, sure he can assist or score once or twice a season but thats about it. Them injuries man, never ending. I rather play a youth than Alonso. We still have quite a few dead Woods, heres hoping someone can get it done.