The Conte Thread

[Supermonkey92 1,428]

4 minutes ago, Henrique said:

And think you were also saying years ago that Atletico's team was easily better than ours in that UCL semi final, after the team was completely outplayed. Liverpool's squad is also average, and everyone who know about the game realizes it. The difference today was very simple: Klopp is a better manager. Conte is a gamble, and just like AVB until he is gettin more praise for wild celebrations than anything else. Lovren is no better than Cahill, Henderson is a very limited player and Milner is solid but far from special.

Our squad is really limited, but so is Liverpool's one. The result today was not a result of a bad squad playing against a very good one, as some people are saying. Its weird when people are saying Conte is so unlucky because he didn't get the likes of Nainggolan (good player, but nothing special). If we have a manager that need a Nainggolan tier to got a decent game, then we are definitely fucked. 

Its important you realise how good Liverpool can be. I dont think they are as good as the media an the bin dippers think, but its almost normal in the past year for them tp take city, Arsenal, united and spurs to the sword. We arent talking some random performances either. Some times they are useless, sometimes they're rabid. One isnt more common than the either, its like a lucky dip. But a squad that can do that cannot be described as average. They are dangerous but notoriously inconsistent. 

Our Squad certainly isnt able to outgun the other big teams as often as they have, regardless of whether you think we should or not. 

Klopp didnt masterclass the quick free kick for the first goal, or the quick throw and good finiah from Henderson. Apart from Origi's header chances were  pretty thin. Similarly, Conte cannot be faulted for the shambles that was our first goal, or the folly that was Cahill's excuse for a clearence for the second. He cant be faulted for a naive Oscar or a lazy Matic. That has to fall on their shoulders. 

The moment players step on the pitch its down to them. A halftime talk a 3 subs is all a manager can do. The halftime talk seemed enough today for an improvement. The subs were undoubtedly wrong, but he is again limited by a squad on shoddy players apart from Batshuayi and Fabregas, the latter of which he doesn't think fits the style he's going for. Conte deserves criticism for his subs but only when remebered the background situation. 

[Henrique 9,133]

1 minute ago, Supermonkey92 said:

 

Klopp didnt masterclass the quick free kick for the first goal, or the quick throw and good finiah from Henderson. Apart from Origi's header chances were  pretty thin. Similarly, Conte cannot be faulted for the shambles that was our first goal, or the folly that was Cahill's excuse for a clearence for the second. He cant be faulted for a naive Oscar or a lazy Matic. That has to fall on their shoulders. 

 

Game today wasn't a close match decided by small details or a superb goal as you are suggesting. We were outplayed for most part of the game, first minutes of 2nd half aside. 

[Supermonkey92 1,428]

2 minutes ago, Henrique said:

Game today wasn't a close match decided by small details or a superb goal as you are suggesting. We were outplayed for most part of the game, first minutes of 2nd half aside. 

The performance wasnt close but the result was. The two arent the same thing. Liverpool's dominance wasnt turned into chances let alone clear chances. If Cahill thumps the clearence into the crowd no second goal, forgetting about the disaster defendinh for the first. Or, just keep the entire game the same but fabregas scores the free kick at the end and its a draw. The result absolutely could have changed due to minute details, regardless of how badly we were outplayed. 

Regarding the performance of the two teams in the first half, Conte cannot in my eyes be seen to have any significant fault.The midfield was strolling around, they didnt even chase shadows, they waved at them as they walked by. Except, of course, Oscar who would frequently leave the guy behind him (thus destroying whatever shape the team did have) only to chase a CB who plays it around like a family teasing a dog with a bone! Such stupidity is frustration which gets the better of a naive and unintelligent player.

[Henrique 9,133]

24 de set - Premier League Arsenal	x	13:30 Chelsea
1 de out - Premier League Hull City	x	11:00 Chelsea
15 de out - Premier League Chelsea	x	08:30 Leicester City
23 de out - Premier League Chelsea	x	13:00 Manchester United

 

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Next games are not looking good. There is a good chance we don't get more than 2 points in next 4 games, and that will mean 3 points 6 games.

[Fernando 6,502]

53 minutes ago, Henrique said:

24 de set - Premier League Arsenal	x	13:30 Chelsea
1 de out - Premier League Hull City	x	11:00 Chelsea
15 de out - Premier League Chelsea	x	08:30 Leicester City
23 de out - Premier League Chelsea	x	13:00 Manchester United

 

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Next games are not looking good. There is a good chance we don't get more than 2 points in next 4 games, and that will mean 3 points 6 games.

We always beat Arsenal, so that should be a no brainer. If we are having problems against Arsenal I'll be worried. 

[Gappy 130]

Repetitive and Boring for watching Chelsea this era

Same XI Line up Which whole world Chelsea fans doubt over a year that why players like Ivanovic, Cahil, Oscar or even Matic still be our main squad 

70+ min for 3 sub between Mosess Cese Batman or Pedro well it's too often give them more minute or do smth. I don't wanna see this "sub-tactic" every game 

 

Something must be wrong with our managers to keep picking that 3-4 players or that was the order from people over him. 

It doesn't make any sense to keep playing RB that always lose his position and focus on crossing with his 1/100 crossing skill

    

 

[blu35_army 551]

this is klopp 2nd year at pool,,and they get chemistry stronger than last year. so i'm all out for Conte to make this season "a gamble" with the main target is CL spot. now,,we know we're shit when playing sit deep. why not try 3-4-3/3-5-2 when faces big teams antonio???

[Blue-in-me-Veins 4,067]

5 hours ago, Styles said:

We didn't invite pressure. What happened (and what tends to happen when we play good teams that do things like pressing well) is we got exposed for what we are: a shit footballing team that cannot build play under pressure or even keep the ball beyond 4 passes. So we end up camped inside our own half with no outlet.

This has been the Chelsea way for several years. We only play well against shit teams that don't press and show us too much respect.

What needs to be addressed more than anything is the fact we have so much fucking dead weight all over the place - players that wouldn't make the bench at top clubs are first choice here. It's a joke. Conte may or may not be a good manager but we'll never know because of the group of players.

*Sighs* 

the truth hurts. 

[Jase 43,479]

Guardiola plays with De Bruyne and Silva as 2 of 3 CMs and here we are playing Matic and Oscar and can't even fit in ONE creative player.

[Chelsea4 1,521]

I can't tell if it was Conte's fault or the players went to be completely shit probably both. Matic doesn't cover,help the defence and he is bad in attack there is no point in playing him and Willian,Ivanovic,Matic all need to be sold and why did Conte make his substitution's earlier? 5 min is enough time for anyone to do anything.

[dimmas 126]

I afraid he trust the wrong person.

Conte said back then at juventus he prove to be able to transform bonucci, barzagli from bad player to become one of the best defender in the world.

But matic, ivanovic, cahill ...

Probably never happen to transform them to become much better player.

Conte's mistake is field so many deadwood at the same time. The combination of oscar, Matic combine with ivanovic and cahill is hold back this team too much. For me field that 4 combination together almost in every match is really awful beyond the word.

[killer1257 3,282]

1 hour ago, Chelsea4 said:

I can't tell if it was Conte's fault or the players went to be completely shit probably both. Matic doesn't cover,help the defence and he is bad in attack there is no point in playing him and Willian,Ivanovic,Matic all need to be sold and why did Conte make his substitution's earlier? 5 min is enough time for anyone to do anything.

It is Conte´s fault that he does not select the players that deliver .Oscar,Matic,Cahill and Iva do not deliver good,constant performances,but that is Conte´s job.Maybe they have a good attutude,but if they are shit,there are shit.Best attitude will not make them world class players...

[1chelsea 864]

Conte is the course of this lost

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[AWorriedChelseaFan 151]

>Losing the match all game long due to bad tactics and player selections.

>Still didn't make any subs or changes to tactics after the woeful first half, and after we scored the goal to bring the deficit to only 1.

 

Come on Conte, I know you're better than this.

[xPetrCechx 13,565]

After costa scored his goal, instead of going more forward, pressing the opponent, fight for every ball (something like against swansea), we stopped playing again...

it's not normal.

[AlesJuve 264]

So most of the Chelsea's fan want Conte head.This is football all over the world when win you are good when lose an asshole.I understand that Conte is concerned about the defense and that Fabregas does not inspire confidence in this aspect but since the defense of Chelsea is currently unrecoverable perhaps it would be better focus on offense and use Matic and Kante to protect Fabregas to boost the imagination and technique in midfield..

 

"I am guilty because I'm the coach and it means that I have to work harder in these aspects
Now it was not enough".

 

 

 

 

[Henrique 9,133]

5 minutes ago, AlesJuve said:

So most of the Chelsea's fan want Conte head.This is football all over the world when win you are good when lose an asshole.I understand that Conte is concerned about the defense and that Fabregas does not inspire confidence in this aspect but since the defense of Chelsea is currently unrecoverable perhaps it would be better focus on offense and use Matic and Kante to protect Fabregas to boost the imagination and technique in midfield..

 

"I am guilty because I'm the coach and it means that I have to work harder in these aspects
Now it was not enough".

 

 

 

 

No one wants Conte's head.

[Fernando 6,502]

40 minutes ago, AlesJuve said:

So most of the Chelsea's fan want Conte head.This is football all over the world when win you are good when lose an asshole.I understand that Conte is concerned about the defense and that Fabregas does not inspire confidence in this aspect but since the defense of Chelsea is currently unrecoverable perhaps it would be better focus on offense and use Matic and Kante to protect Fabregas to boost the imagination and technique in midfield..

 

"I am guilty because I'm the coach and it means that I have to work harder in these aspects
Now it was not enough".

 

 

 

 

The only thing I see is that most people are annoyed that he still uses the same lineup that Mourinho and Hiddink put out. 

And to be fair I'm not surprised. I said it from the beginning that people and the board want youth but they get managers that are not good for this... 

If you want youth, why go for Mourinho and Conte? These guys are not good for that, they need to spend good in the market to be competitive. 

Board didn't do that, so they should not expect much. If they do then the board are a bunch of fools.