The Conte Thread

[LDN Blue 7,903]

6 minutes ago, DYC. said:

What's with all this 'he better get the players he wants talk and full control' talk btw. If he didn't agree with anything that comes with the job, he wouldn't have signed the contract. Whatever happens this summer (and in the future), he agreed with it.

The thing is, I do now agree managers (or head coaches lol) shouldn't ever be given "full control" of their transfers. Not when managerial appointments go in such a merry-go-round. Obviously some targets are less attainable than others, financial implications etc.

All we really can hope for is honest communication and dialogue between Conte and the higher ups. If they can't get plan A is plan B good enough for Conte and and from a financial sense. Such is the 'business' that's football lol. 

16 minutes ago, Pizy said:

Don't really think there's anything he could do that would get him sacked within his first 6 months to 1 year unless he has us in the bottom 3. There's no chance of that happening. Like I predicted yesterday, he'll get 2 summer transfer windows to shape his team.

2 summer windows? That's just as unlikely as you claim for him to be sacked in 6 months. Look how many have come under a cloud of high expectations and just haven't panned out. Scolari & AVB are ever so present in my mind right now. 

As the poll says, "..because long term is overrated'. Just build a team that not only is beneficial now but in the future, so should we have to sack Conte we won't need to always 'overhaul'. 

But let me stress, I don't expect him to leave us in 6 months as a doubt on his ability.. More so on the temperament of our board. How tolerable are they that when we do go through a slump, which every team does.

[DYC. 7,542]

Just now, LDN Blue said:

The thing is, I do now agree managers (or head coaches lol) shouldn't ever be given "full control" of their transfers. Not when managerial appointments go in such a merry-go-round. Obviously some targets are less attainable than others, financial implications etc.

All we really can hope for is honest communication and dialogue between Conte and the higher ups. If they can't get plan A is plan B good enough for Conte and and from a financial sense. Such is the 'business' that's football lol.

Imagine managers with full control in this environment. Conte players now, sell Conte players and add Simeone players later, sell Simeone players and add Guardiola players after that for example. If you can't stick to a manager, Chelsea need their own way of doing things. You'll only end up lacking any kind of identity if you don't, turning into a mess.

Of course. Don't think there's any other way.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

42 minutes ago, Pizy said:

Don't really think there's anything he could do that would get him sacked within his first 6 months to 1 year unless he has us in the bottom 3. There's no chance of that happening. Like I predicted yesterday, he'll get 2 summer transfer windows to shape his team.

Exactly. People fearing his sack is unwarranted. 

[LDN Blue 7,903]

12 minutes ago, DYC. said:

Imagine managers with full control in this environment. Conte players now, sell Conte players and add Simeone players later, sell Simeone players and add Guardiola players after that for example. If you can't stick to a manager, Chelsea need their own way of doing things. You'll only end up lacking any kind of identity if you don't, turning into a mess.

Of course. Don't think there's any other way.

But on that side we then have a generic umbrella term of "emenalo player" defined by "those with ability, dismissed on a season of ruin". But let's not open that can of worms here.

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Incidentally, do you think he'll have any bearing on our academy? Talking to someone the other day, they reckon the reason we'll fail to utilise people like Ruben is because of this infatuation with 4-2-3-1 that's become the soul of this team for the last 5-6 years! Taught from u10s right the way up to the first team. Young players would fail to adapt. I don't think we'd ever train someone like Kenedy to be how he is if he was an u18 academy player, would we?

[Leif 6,006]

You can't trust someone who fakes their hair instead of embracing their baldness so it's understandable to make him head coach yet not manager.

[Blue Colored Sky 1,807]

I doubt that his job will be ever under the threat when Chelsea is around the top 4. I put an interview with Emenalo in his thread earlier in the year, he said that top4 should now be considered a trophy and since big Mike is mastermind behind everything, you should pay attention to him ! Voice of the reason, voice of Chelsea. Michael Emenalo.

So yeah, any talk that if Conte won't be challenging for trophy he will be axed is unfounded and far-fetched. Considering that Chelsea will start with this new stadium not long from now, top 4 is THE TARGET.

Oh btw, Chelsea starts pre-season trainings in the first/second Monday of July from what I checked in the last few years, that should be 4th of July 2016 this year considering that Premier League begins on 13th of August 2016. And UEFA Euro 2016 ends on 10th July 2016. So Conte should be available for almost whole pre-season in worst case scenario. And almost surely he will be behind pre-season training planning, regardless when he joins.

[RoyalBlues 4,050]

Honestly don't really care whether he is Manager or First Team Head Coach, as long as he could lead us to back on the track. To be a strong title contender once again.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

13 minutes ago, Blue Colored Sky said:

said that top4 should now be considered a trophy

Oh my god. Are we Arsenal? What the fuck.

[Tomo 21,751]

2 hours ago, DYC. said:

Agree with the first part.

As for the sackings, you have a point. But if what you say is true, I blame those for appointing all those supposed wrong managers in the first place. How often are you allowed to pick a manager only to get rid of him within a season? That's terrible management from those in charge.

The difference between Chelsea's current situation and Juve back then is the established elite. Italian sides can't seem to stay on top, creating a merry-go-round at the top. It's easier for an almighty leap to occur in those conditions. Same goes for Dortmund. The likes of Schalke, Gladbach and even Wolfsburg can finish in the top 4 one season and finish outside the top 4 the very next season. Chelsea have to deal with the Manc clubs, Arsenal, Spurs and Liverpool. Leicester and WHU can easily drop so that's a good thing for us. But will those sides I mentioned allow Chelsea to finish above them just like that? Easier said than done imo. This is a fluke season but they have the opportunity to build and improve, especially Spurs.

Thats a fair point, but on the other hand you can sack a manager and the appointment was correct, for example Ancelotti, did a good job to bring the double here but then in the second season he was horrible, he had nothing up his sleeve tactically when things were going wrong and kept playing the same tired players and system, as much as Jose fucked up this season he atleast tried to make changes even if they didn't work atall, so in that sense you could say good appointment but things went stale and we needed a change.

Also their is at times politics involved, Di Matteo for example, as much as Munich was a great story, none of the managerial skills Robbie used for that run would be required/work in the full time job, I honestly believe Roman wanted to swap Robbie for Rafa that summer but didn't want to ruin our summer in the sun after Munich (I mean could you imagine if he made that change shortly after Munich, full scale riots would have been an understatement) gave him the full time job knowing he had to be amazing to stay and well he wasn't.

In some ways England is in a bit of a state which is why the opening has been created for Leicester and Spurs this season, United have a lot of work to do, Arsenal with Wenger will be same old, Liverpool need twice as big an overhaul as we do and looking at Dortmund this season I'm starting to think Klopp is overrated, Spurs will depend on if they hold onto Poch and its a Shame City have bagged Pep as they were heading for a tough few years.

It won't be easy but if we get this summer window right and hit the ground running, I wouldn't bet against us.

[Spike 12,049]

Just do it as Nike says.

 

[Blue Gino 377]

Conte: "I wasn't at Chelsea's training ground, I was working at the Federation." 

Matt Miazga: "It was great meeting Conte who introduced himself to us at training." 

I love this coach already.

[Fernando 6,585]

Antonio Conte will fit in at Chelsea, but will Chelsea fit with Antonio Conte?

http://www.espnfc.us/blog/espn-fc-united-blog/68/post/2843668/antonio-conte-not-ideal-fit-for-chelsea

 

Interesting read.

[xPetrCechx 13,570]

10 minutes ago, Blue Gino said:

Conte: "I wasn't at Chelsea's training ground, I was working at the Federation." 

Matt Miazga: "It was great meeting Conte who introduced himself to us at training." 

I love this coach already.

WHAT

[Chelsea4 1,521]

1 hour ago, Blue Gino said:

Conte: "I wasn't at Chelsea's training ground, I was working at the Federation." 

Matt Miazga: "It was great meeting Conte who introduced himself to us at training." 

I love this coach already.

Conte probably wanted to keep it as a secret.

[xPetrCechx 13,570]

Having briefly addressed the entire squad on Tuesday, Conte spent Wednesday talking personally with most of his new players. [Telegraph]

The overriding message from Antonio Conte was that he will demand total commitment to #Chelsea and his team. [Telegraph]

Other than Diego Costa and Terry, Antonio Conte has now met the majority of his new squad – including Hazard, Matic & Courtois. [Telegraph]

 

Conte also spent this week discussing transfer targets with #Chelsea, who are already moving to try to secure Radja Nainggolan. [Telegraph]

 

Antonio Conte is expected to stay in regular contact and also fly over again for further talks with key #Chelsea players. [Mirror]

#Chelsea also want to promote some of their best youngsters and keep existing coaches like Steve Holland at Stamford Bridge. [Mirror]