The Mourinho Thread

[nono 791]

The board should save the money to give to the next manager after Mourinho is fired so that he can rebuild the squad. Any money to Mourinho will be wasted because he can't get the squad to play decent football anyways. The squad needs to be revamped and at least 4 players should be out, i.e. Ivanovic, Cahill,Ramires and Willian. We need a right winger, a central midfielder and a centre back. Last season I said we will know early on if Mourinho is going to change his ways but we know now that he will not.

[Fernando 6,376]

People are calling for his head after two games?

Wow you guys are truly amazing.

Pellegrini did not win nothing last season, a season coming from winning the double just like us and hes still there.

What's wrong if the same thing happens to us?

Give the man a breathing room like Pelle and Wenger gets.

Now I don't agree he should be here for a decade if he can't bring any youth after his third or 4th season. But surely he should not be sack so soon.

It's dumb and won't bring anything good.

I think 5 years is a sweet spot. Because in 5 years you can build a good project and assess everything. So the man should be here at least that amount.

After that it should be about the goal the club wants. Do they want to build a team with more players from the youth set up? Or forget about that and continue with the same model?

[zolayes 14,489]

People are calling for his head after two games?

Wow you guys are truly amazing.

Pellegrini did not win nothing last season, a season coming from winning the double just like us and hes still there.

What's wrong if the same thing happens to us?

Give the man a breathing room like Pelle and Wenger gets.

Now I don't agree he should be here for a decade if he can't bring any youth after his third or 4th season. But surely he should not be sack so soon.

It's dumb and won't bring anything good.

I think 5 years is a sweet spot. Because in 5 years you can build a good project and assess everything.

I dont see wenger or Pellegrini at war with the rest of football

[Stingray 9,441]

I dont see wenger or Pellegrini at war with the rest of football

That is true....

[Fernando 6,376]

I dont see wenger or Pellegrini at war with the rest of football

Well that's true, that is one thing to consider and what I will put in my list of not wanting an emulation of Ferguson with him at our club.

Let's face it Mourinho will never be a man for a decade or so at a club. He's way of handling things is not proper. It's good for short term and it's fine because in a 5 year deal you can get a lot done.

[Blue Armour 4,164]

• Boring, turgid, clueless and uninspiring football. Now, no longer can be excused as winning football, as if it ever could.
• Lack of trust in youth team players despite the owner spending millions in youth team. Apparently, Mourinho needs only 10 minutes to know if they're any good.
• Bizarre and irrational behaviour, undermining the club in public. The latest being the doctor-gate, which is still ongoing.
• Same tactics in the big games, regardless of it these tactics work or not.
• A sharp increase in negativity towards the club, because of the manager's antics. And not just by rival fans too.
• Clear favouritism towards certain players, regardless of their performance.
• No progress whatsoever in our style of play. If anything, many of our players have declined technically. Just look at Fabregas in the last 7 months.
• Blaming everyone but himself for his failures. Apparently, "3-0 is a fake result". Maybe he was watching a different game. 7-1 was a fair score-line.
• Team in decline even from last season. I called it back then, but apparently, I was a "fake fan" and a "Mourinho hater"
• Manager's coaching philosophy does not fit the New Chelsea. That's very obvious. We're supposed to be a big club, but we don't play like one.
• The board not making a serious attempt to sign players in the transfer window.

Make of it all, as you wish. You guys already know my views on Mourinho and how he is not a long term solution for us and never was.

Then who would you have us our 'long term solution'? Sorry, I'm not disregarding your other points, but I just can't understand why this is brought up frequently. I'm not sure how much Mourinho had to do with shaping our squad at the start of this season, but I really doubt that any other name could get a much better result against City's starting 11 today with the team we had out today. You might argue a few others might have us playing a bit more fluid, but on a 'results' basis I don't think there would have been any improvement.

The only real thing that frustrates me, is that despite finishing top of the table last season, and making player sales last season, we're being so frugal in terms of transfers,,..while City are spending like there is no tomorrow. And this is right after, they were found to be in danger of breaching FFP.

[Hostedenis 556]

Completely warranted criticism for my point of view from most around here IMO. Offered nigh on nothing, no scape goat goat needed but to look long and hard about our overall situation.

Right now we have a problem.

I agree we have a problem, and I agree with a lot of the criticism on here, but I wasn't wrong when I said there's a meltdown. Opening threads like 'who's to replace Mou?' and stuff like that is pretty overreacting. We've lost to City, big deal. I don't like it but that's the way it is and there's still a big part of the season ahead of us. Asking for the head of the manager that just got us the league is crazy.

I agree that there's stuff wrong, and we should work on that. A lot was wrong and should be fixed, your criticism is not misplaced. But the way some people here are saying Mou is past it or can't do it for a third season, people claiming Hazard isn't good enough or saying there're lots of better players, people criticizing Willian, ... Close to RAWK stuff this. I've said it before and I'll say it again, even before Swansea I said I'd take a 9/15 for our 5 opening games.

[Stingray 9,441]

I think Mou is the best when he has his team in check. When he loses the team: kryptonite!

I fear we might see this right now.

[zolayes 14,489]

That is true....

What seems hard for many to accept is that while winning IS IMPORTANT ,, it isnt the only thing ,

Respect for the game and your opponents .. Winning and losing with grace and dignity . Old fashioned ideas perhaps but then Im VERY old and so was Jose's

teacher

[Fernando 6,376]

I think Mou is the best when he has his team in check. When he loses the team: kryptonite!

I fear we might see this right now.

Well this is what happen at Real Madrid.

After the second season everything good, and he got a new contract (Similar to now).

Then third season everything went to hell.

I doubt it will happen the same here because the characteristic of our players, but still interesting stuff.

[MrBlueGuy 1,552]

What seems hard for many to accept is that while winning IS IMPORTANT ,, it isnt the only thing ,

Respect for the game and your opponents .. Winning and losing with grace and dignity . Old fashioned ideas perhaps but then Im VERY old and so was Jose's

teacher

His picking on our OWN staff was unacceptable as well. Do you see Wenger coming out and criticise his staff even though every year most of his important players spend 3 months on the treatment table?

[supporter 3,088]

Jose says that the other teams are trying to buy the Premier League ... I think we should also try to buy Premier League and make 3 or 4 signings before the market closes or the season is going to make us long for us. I'm not angry about the match today because 3-0 is a very misleading result and we have done a good second half. But it is clear that we need changes.

According to the Gazzetta Dello Sport Real Madrid is very close to signing Kovacic for 35 million euros (25 million pounds). Information that appears to be true because all newspapers in Spain say that is practically official. It seems closed.

This is important because Real Madrid will have a midfield with: Kross, Modric, Isco, James Rodriguez and now Kovacic fighting for three places in the starting eleven because Bale, Ronaldo and Benzema are untouchable for Florentino Perez. five TOP PLAYERS fighting for three places in a year with Euro 2016. Maybe one of them can rethink their future.

Isco is the player who is less important for the midfield of Real Madrid because Kross and Modric are untouchable and James is madness as a player. Maybe Isco may have to rethink his future before the end of August. And we should try to sign him.

I think we need another centre-back (Stones), another right-back, but above all, we need another creative midfielder. A CM or a N.10. but we need a player of those characteristics.

Koke seems impossible (if Roman would do something crazy in the last days of the market and he got sign Koke I think we would be one of the favorites to win everything). Silva (Monaco) is another option, and if Valencia eliminates Monaco in Champions League, maybe we could try his signing.

And maybe it's time to sell Ramires (Juventus wants his signing) and Mikel to buy a player of guarantees for that position. Maybe Willian Carvalho is still available (despite his current injury).

I know we will not sign four players before the end of this month. In fact, probably we will not sign anyone ((which I do not understand), but I needed to say it ...

Regards to ALL.

[HRiver 1,512]

People are calling for his head after two games?

Wow you guys are truly amazing.

Pellegrini did not win nothing last season, a season coming from winning the double just like us and hes still there.

What's wrong if the same thing happens to us?

Give the man a breathing room like Pelle and Wenger gets.

That's because for specialists in failure like Wenger, defeat is just another day at the office, its part of his routine. In that regard the reactions/overreactions after a negative result for Mourinho are hardly surprising.

"Everybody was waiting for Chelsea not to win every game and one day when we lose there will be a holiday in the country."

[Fernando 6,376]

By the way what did I told you guys?

He would say something stupid and forget to talk about real problems like Ivan.

Sigh. This is truly getting boring by now.

[Laylabelle 9,296]

That's because for specialists in failure like Wenger, defeat is just another day at the office, its part of his routine. In that regard the reactions/overreactions after a negative result for Mourinho are hardly surprising.

"Everybody was waiting for Chelsea not to win every game and one day when we lose there will be a holiday in the country."

Loosing came pretty quick this season.Wasn't like was a shock didnt think we'd win to be honest..maybe not loose 3-0 however...hopefully be the kick needed to get the ball rolling to make the signings we need before its to late.No reason he cant do it for a 3rd season...did before we us but not the way we are at the moment.Look far from the team that ran off with the league last year.Early days but still warnings signs were there pre season.

And hopefully he'll realise and drop Ivan next week!!!God knows what happened to him of late

[Essien19 1,415]

Boring, turgid, clueless and uninspiring football. Now, no longer can be excused as winning football, as if it ever could

Same tactics in the big games, regardless of it these tactics work or not.

Chelsea had problems, especially in the first half and without the ball, i agree.

Chelsea tried to hold on to the ball, but they made to many mistakes and likes of Silva, Sterling, Aguero are dangerous on the counter-attack.

The decision to cancel that goal from Ramires is a tough one, Hazard has to finish that chance, then 1:1.

Nowadays, i don't know who is able to handle Kompany in the box, he is a fucking monster.

He got the better of Ivanovic. I have never seen an opponent bullying him in such a physical way, scary!

The game turned out badly, but that's easy to say after a loss. Therefore we don't need a Sherlock Holmes!

What would you have done?

Putting Zouma/Loftus-Cheek in midfield, benching Willian for his inefficient performances and playing the newbie Moses?

Benching Ivanovic and playing Ramires instead?

Doing a Rodgers and going to blow them away at their home?

That worked out very well, i think, lol.

Gerrard: "That game against Chelsea, with the slip, our tactical approach was probably inexperienced for the whole game - going out to try and blow Chelsea away."

• Lack of trust in youth team players despite the owner spending millions in youth team. Apparently, Mourinho needs only 10 minutes to know if they're any good.

During the pre-season i was very frustrated with the lack of youth. I wanted to see Loftus-Cheek, Traore, Zouma all the time.

Now every game counts, Mourinho doesn't trust Loftus-Cheek, according to him, he and the other prospects aren't yet ready.

Big game against City, 1 down at half time, Mourinho makes a big decision: For the first time he substitutes Terry with Zouma.

Mourinho:"John Terry did not have any injury it was just a decision. Zouma is the fastest defender in the squad. I knew that City would play counter-attack. That was right because he Zouma in total control. I have the right to make decision to sub John Terry because I am the man who has played him, sometimes I am proven right and sometimes I am wrong."

That is trust!

Mourinho: "You can show you are ready, you are mentally ready, you're physically ready, and you're ready to cope with the pressure. Ten minutes can say a lot."

That is your admission ticket to be part of the squad, it doesn't mean that you are going to make it.

He needs to meet the prospects in person, not watching some games in TV...

Bizarre and irrational behaviour, undermining the club in public. The latest being the doctor-gate, which is still ongoing.

Mourinho publicly criticized the medical team, he shouldn't have done that.

One member of the medical department, Eva Carneiro took it personal and went straight to the social media to hit back at the criticism.

That's not good!

Neither of us have additional sources, so we need to shut up and let the club handle this.

The media loves having a go at Chelsea, that's for sure!

A sharp increase in negativity towards the club, because of the manager's antics. And not just by rival fans too.

Blaming everyone but himself for his failures. Apparently, "3-0 is a fake result". Maybe he was watching a different game. 7-1 was a fair score-line.

Mourinho creates such an atmosphere, we are a band of blood brothers.

Ferguson did the same thing, always almost blaming the ref or other guys.

Mourinho is a champion, he delivers the trophies.

We knew exactly what kind of a guy we were getting in bed with, so stop complaining and whining now,

or maybe you didn't want him from the beginning, sorry mate, i can't help you with this one!

The saint Guardiola got his medical team fired and the other saint Ancelotti rotates less than Mourinho.

The grass isn't always greener on the other side!

Mourinho is allowed to have his own opinion! If he thinks we were better in the second half, well, everyone has the right to have his own opinion!

What some specialists in TV have to say, shouldn't concern him too much!

In the second half, Ramires or Hazard could have scored, wonder of the world for some people, i know.

Chelsea tried to score, but City aren't there for the taking, they are a good opponent.

Clear favouritism towards certain players, regardless of their performance

Every father has his favorite child, that's natural!

Who would you like to blame and bench? Maybe Ivanovic?

I said it before, who is going to be your replacement?

Zouma as fullback? That's ambitious....

No progress whatsoever in our style of play. If anything, many of our players have declined technically. Just look at Fabregas in the last 7 months.

I have to disagree with your accusation "declined technically". You have to enlighten that phrase for a constructive discussion.

Willian has improved in the last months, yes, currently he isn't at his best, i know.

The physical conditions aren't great!

Mourinho and the board decided to extend the holidays, why?

Because during the second half of last season some of our players were on their last legs.

The guys aren't back in shape yet, yes, it's not an ideal situation, but they will hit back!

This time i hope they will last longer, especially the likes of Oscar.

But you have to keep calm, i am not sure all of us can do that!

Team in decline even from last season. I called it back then, but apparently, I was a "fake fan" and a "Mourinho hater"

Manager's coaching philosophy does not fit the New Chelsea. That's very obvious. We're supposed to be a big club, but we don't play like one.

Make of it all, as you wish. You guys already know my views on Mourinho and how he is not a long term solution for us and never was.

Ah you feel relieved, i see. May a congratulate you? Big achievement for you career as a mentalist!

After two fucking games, you think you have seen all what the team can do?

City played counter attack, Chelsea tried to make a good play, especially in the second half, but that is not good enough for you.

Well, in life you can't get it all, except you get your coaching degree and apply for the job, maybe watching Arsenal play will get the job done too,

but hey, what about the game against West Ham?

The board not making a serious attempt to sign players in the transfer window.

Who are your favorites?

Mourinho has already told you, the Eiffel Tower isn't yet for sale, it seems that a top prospect isn't available for a decent price.

Do you believe that for example Alex Witsel for maybe 30 Mio. would improve this side for the next couple of years,

or would it be smarter to wait and maybe next season we can go for the Eiffel Tower?

I prefer to wait, but i see that self-control is not the easiest thing to do.

Mourinho:For example, when we didn't buy a striker two years ago, and people were disappointed, we didn't buy one because we knew that Diego Costa was coming (a year later), and was coming for a price that didn't need discussion, a price that was established in his contract. "Sometimes you have to think more than the moment. That is why many times we don't discuss things publicly, we don't try and explain everything publicly. We work inside.

[DYC. 7,542]

It's that third season drama again. Such a mysterious phenomenon.

[laeth 527]

explain what is deluded please

For example, posts like (and these are not exact quotes):

"that's the title done."

"Jose's used to be the special one and is now the average one"

"who is the next Chelsea manager going to be?"

Ridiculous.