The Mourinho Thread

[xPetrCechx 13,598]

Last time chelsea gain 8 points after 8 games, the team relegated to the second devision...(1978/79).

[didierforever 7,349]

The same I can say: ivanovic made so many mistakes and he's shit - it's his fault.

the players have no idea what to do with the ball? why last season the same players knew what to do?!

toothless in attack? again, same players that scored many goals last season.

our main weapon of scoring is willian? where is costa?hazard? why they so shit this season, especially hazard... it's their fault.

how is ivanovic being shit his fault. why the hell is he starting then?

why was iva on the pitch? who chooses the team? who chooses iva to start.

how many goals have we scored since the turn of the year? how many attacking games have we played since the turn of the year or since that swansea game

why is hazard on the pitch. we looked good against porto without him and yet at the first sign of trouble we go back to him. why? is he the only thing we have. is he the only go to plan that jose has?

how many times have we fallen behind this season? what has been jose's plan in that case?

take out matic, play cesc as DM and put in a striker (remy/falcao). has it EVER been successful. NO. we always end up getting murdered on the counters. and yet we persist. why? whose tactics are these?

[Fernando 6,743]

I'll take your post point by point.

A. He can't help us play attacking futbol, his best at being pragmatic.

Who has ever played this 'attacking football' that we keep talking about when it comes to Chelsea? Carlo, AVB, RdM, etc all played the same brand of football we've been playing for a while. I do accept that our approach to certain matches is undesirable, but if they all lead to one objective (trophies) isn't that worth it? We didn't play this boring football all through the 2014-15 season, it only really started when we had our slump.

B. He has a poor habit of trusting more on older players then younger players. Case in point Ivanovic. If Mourinho had the same amount of love and patience for someone like KDB, Lukaku, Bertrand and what not he would have gems in his hand.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing isn't it? But as I recall, and I'm sure this has been stated over and over again, Lukaku and KDB chose to leave. Mourinho said a few weeks ago that KdB kept knocking on his door asking to leave.

With Ivanovic, I'll give you that. That will continue to confuse everyone, Mourinho is 100% wrong in his continous selection and there isnt's any excuses for it. The only hope is, the Serb's days are numbered.

C. Controversial manager, don't like this.

Now we're just being pedantic lol. I remember the days of Carlo here, the proverbial 'yes-man', we hated it. We wanted someone to stand up to the board for example, to defend the club in the media, that's what Mourinho does. Creates the whole siege mentality.

Again I point to SAF. Controversy was his forte, loved to do it. Remember when RvP "could have been killed"? He did that week-in week-out, United fans loved it and adored it.. Are they both so different? Someone mentioned that SAF recommeneded against Mourinho, but I'm sure that's not true. From what I read, Bobby Charlton was the one who said no to the idea.

Good response.

I'll say with Carlo there was an awesome vibe at the first season, second season what happen seems to be the same thing that is happening now. Lack of fresh blood, with as well both managers having fault.

Looking at that you can say no one is perfect, Mourinho and Carlo both had their good points and down points.

RDM we tried to at the beginning but nothing to sustainable. With Benitez towards the end there was the intent and which is why I was so excited about our future prospect.

I guess if you asked me who would be the coaches that produce that amazing attacking futbol I want, I can only think of two man right now.

Bielsa and Guardiola. Both cut from the same cloth, with the exception that Bielsa is a crazy guy....I would say more then Mourinho!

As per to youth and hindsight, yes it's true but come on he still has not done much for the younger players. When RLC was one of the best out there most of the time he play this season and still don't get the time and trust he gives others, it boils my blood!

And controversial manager, well here's the thing. There's a good controversy and then there's taking it too far.

With Mourinho at Real Madrid third season poking someone, and then this season with his treatment of medics.

I don't mind a little controversial like Clough or heck even Klopp, but I think Mourinho goes too far at times. I wouldn't want this for a decade.

That being said and analyzing all those things, I still believe that he should not be here long term. I rather waste our time and energy with someone else that fit the bill.

Would not mind Bielsa, but that guy is too crazy and would walk away from the club like he did at Marseille recently!

[Jase 43,479]

I still think he'll have a good amount of options. He's a big name manager and a brand. He has fantastic representation in the form of Mendes. I think clubs will want to experience the rollercoaster ride.

But I can see what you're getting at.

Unlikely to happen but think Arsenal might be a good fit for him. Perennial underachievers, no one takes them seriously, only won 2 trophies in 10 years etc. Perfect environment for him to create the siege mentality, make them mentally stronger and win big things with them.

[xPetrCechx 13,598]

how is ivanovic being shit his fault. why the hell is he starting then?

why was iva on the pitch? who chooses the team? who chooses iva to start.

how many goals have we scored since the turn of the year? how many attacking games have we played since the turn of the year or since that swansea game

why is hazard on the pitch. we looked good against porto without him and yet at the first sign of trouble we go back to him. why? is he the only thing we have. is he the only go to plan that jose has?

how many times have we fallen behind this season? what has been jose's plan in that case?

take out matic, play cesc as DM and put in a striker (remy/falcao). has it EVER been successful. NO. we always end up getting murdered on the counters. and yet we persist. why? whose tactics are these?

Because if he dropped Hazard & Ivanovic & Matic & Cesc &.... and played with the youth and still lose, people will complain why he played with the kids...

[Styles 9,790]

I still think he'll have a good amount of options. He's a big name manager and a brand. He has fantastic representation in the form of Mendes. I think clubs will want to experience the rollercoaster ride.

But I can see what you're getting at.

The only way from Chelsea is down. No more Real Madrids out there. He knows it.

[herzogian 148]

The same I can say: ivanovic made so many mistakes and he's shit - it's his fault.

the players have no idea what to do with the ball? why last season the same players knew what to do?!

toothless in attack? again, same players that scored many goals last season.

our main weapon of scoring is willian? where is costa?hazard? why they so shit this season, especially hazard... it's their fault.

So: The players are playing like shit so it must be their fault .A bit simplistic really. But at least you are asking the right question, why are they shit? And there propably are a multitude of reasons. Mismanagement, bad atmosphere, lack of personal motivation, etc.... You can't deny that somewhere in there the manager is playing a big role.

[xPetrCechx 13,598]

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[DYC. 7,542]

Unlikely to happen but think Arsenal might be a good fit for him. Perennial underachievers, no one takes them seriously, only won 2 trophies in 10 years etc. Perfect environment for him to create the siege mentality, make them mentally stronger and win big things with them.

But the football though! He can't produce the Arsenal football. There's also the issue of image. I think Arsenal pride themselves as a gentleman's club and don't care for controversy and negativity.

Claude would love him though.

[Styles 9,790]

Listening to the radio and one of the pundits just said "top players are struggling...the likes of Oscar"

Burst out laughing.

[borriske 330]

Hindsight is a wonderful thing isn't it? But as I recall, and I'm sure this has been stated over and over again, Lukaku and KDB chose to leave. Mourinho said a few weeks ago that KdB kept knocking on his door asking to leave.

I don't want to be 'a Belgian defending a Belgian player', but are you sure that's not Mourinho talking crap? I mean if we are going to believe what people are saying at face value, KDB from his side said that Mourinho only talked personally with him twice during his stay here. Is it any wonder then that he wanted to leave?

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

I giant fuck you to all you fair weather fans who scream his name when we win and jump all over him when we lose. This man has given so much to the club over the years and has a terrible, shaky patch and all of you are looking for him to get the sack.

Its no wonder we are the laughingstock amongst supporters, so many of you have seen so few winters you aren't tough enough to support the manager, players and club... I love Chelsea football club but the success we've experienced has brought some glory hunting cunts who make me wish I supported a team like Bournemouth or Palace. Our job is to get behind the team! Why is that lost on so many of you? The last thing real supporters do is jump ship at the first sign of bad performances, you lot call the the axe 8 games after we hoisted the trophy. Your insecurity and pathetic club loyalty is embarrassing, instead of jumping all over Jose when we lose give yourself a good look in the mirror then commit suicide losers!

WIN OR LOSE UP THE BLUES!!!

[MrBlueGuy 1,552]

Unlikely to happen but think Arsenal might be a good fit for him. Perennial underachievers, no one takes them seriously, only won 2 trophies in 10 years etc. Perfect environment for him to create the siege mentality, make them mentally stronger and win big things with them.

He won't last 6 months there, wait until he demands £100m for a team 'reform' and despite what the Arsenal board coming out and plugging the figures out of their ass, they won't do it especially after getting used to over a decade of tight spending under Wenger.

[didierforever 7,349]

Because if he dropped Hazard & Ivanovic & Matic & Cesc &.... and played with the youth and still lose, people will complain why he played with the kids...

no they wont. MOST of jose's critics on here (lionsden etc), have maintained that jose cant integrate youth.

i myself, have gone over the line cos he cant drop his favourites and the 2 players that i feel are hurting us the most (iva and cesc). and most importantly, baba is a 21 year old professional footballer who played 30 odd league games last season. he would be iva's replacement. mikel/ramires/RLC would be cesc's replacement. i dont even think matic needs replacement. remy/kenedy would be hazard's replacement. and remember, jose sent moses on loan cos he thinks kenedy/traore are good enough as our 5th choice AMs. so it is down to HIM again.

[Styles 9,790]

Clinton Morrison "Sometimes he talks like he's bigger than the club"

He really does. He thinks he's the messiah and we're lucky to have him. That we should be happy with the shit on the stick football because we're little old Chelsea.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

I don't want to be 'a Belgian defending a Belgian player', but are you sure that's not Mourinho talking crap? I mean if we are going to believe what people are saying at face value, KDB from his side said that Mourinho only talked personally with him twice during his stay here. Is it any wonder then that he wanted to leave?

I think I'm more likely to believe him with Lukaku than with KDB to be fair. Lukaku has history. His intial loan spell at Everton was his doing, he was one of three strikers we had and that was alongside Torres and Drogba (I think). Neither of them were scoring after Lukaku went and he could've easily staked his claim there and then.

With KDB, I'm not sure. On one hand you can argue that offer was too good to say no to, so that could've been the board and/or Mou.

[MrBlueGuy 1,552]

Clinton Morrison "Sometimes he talks like he's bigger than the club"

He really does. He thinks he's the messiah and we're lucky to have him. That we should be happy with the shit on the stick football because we're little old Chelsea.

The way he calls himself 'best manager in the club history' is like a boss, almost as if he is challenging the highest members in the club to face him. Do we ever see Sir Alex calling himself 'the best'? Even in his book he didn't mention it once over 30 years.

[zolayes 14,489]

I don't want to be 'a Belgian defending a Belgian player', but are you sure that's not Mourinho talking crap? I mean if we are going to believe what people are saying at face value, KDB from his side said that Mourinho only talked personally with him twice during his stay here. Is it any wonder then that he wanted to leave?

these last few days there have been no Belgian fans on here .. Im not surprised the abuse they get even from a Mod .. I am sp disappointed we lost KDB ,,Lukaku and Thorgan

just hope we dont lose our Belgian members

[Jase 43,479]

But the football though! He can't produce the Arsenal football. There's also the issue of image. I think Arsenal pride themselves as a gentleman's club and don't care for controversy and negativity.

Claude would love him though.

Think they can still play decent football. They have a lot more technical and quality footballers than we do here!

[Azul 1,615]

Why do people talk as if Baba is shit? The guy was one of the LBs in the world last season and he still is, I fail to understand this. Baba played against Bayern, Dortmund etc and he excelled. He probably is as good or maybe even better than Azpi when he is given a place in the starting XI.