The Mourinho Thread

[tiby2979 175]

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[RoyalBlues 4,050]

but imo his "cure" is CL title.

PL title will do too

[Liquidator 5,176]

I would've wrote it when I was 15 so...

So what? Go on...

[CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625]

Hello everyone!

I think it's time to think about our project for the third season of Jose on our bench in his return with us.

For me this season has been very good, because we are close to winning our fifth Premier League, have won the League Cup and we are gradually recovering the hegemony of English football.

We have passt two seasons with Jose. In the first we we had a very strong team physically with players like David Luiz - Lampard - Mikel or Etoo. In this second season we have taken a step further with a technical quality players like Fabregas or Matic, with players like Hazard, Azpilicueta, Courtois or Zouma consolidated in our team and a great attacker like Diego Costa.

I think it is now time to step up and bet for next season by a team with many technical aspects but committed defensive players. Two years ago Hazard was an anarchic player, however Hazard is now a very committed player in the defensive work.

Hazard is just an example because all our players has fully internalized the defensive aspects that Jose has taught and we're a very compact team and we do not need requires players physically strong players or ultra defensive players. We are prepared to defend with technical players. For example, in the first season was our defensive midfielder David Luiz, now our defensive midfielder is Matic. Great change.

Step by step we are going to evolve as a team. Without the anxiety to win trophies (it's just a matter of days for us to win this Premier League) and two years of working with Jose the next season we will be to take the next step in our evolution and bet on technical players.

Within this evolution players like Luis Filipe - Koke - Varane may be important for us.

Regarding Koke I think his signing has to be a priority: to us. A perfect place to rest Fabregas and ideal for improving our quality in midfield player. A player with great technical quality and great ability to work / sacrifice for the team. And a perfect partner for Diego Costa.

Varane is also a technical player who knows how to get the ball played from behind.

Filipe Luis I think he must be important for us next season. Ivanovic is physical strength and Filipe Luis is technical quality (Azpilicueta is untouchable). Maybe next season (considering the age of John Terry) Ivanovic can again be -Back Centre and Filipe Luis our Left-Back principal with Azpilicueta in the position of ourt principal Right-Back.

Messi would be the great dream for US. A team with Koke - Fabregas - Messi would be perfect, the great dream.

At the beginning of the season we have shown that we can play a spectacular football a TOTAL football. Jose can re-run our team as the beginning of the season, but he needs the right players.

A controversial issue could be the return of Juan Mata. I know this topic may bother many forum members (apologies in advance), but I think that Mata could be a great to renew our midfield option. He is usual reserve in Manchester United, always on the bench, and he is looking for a new team. Its price could be between 15 and 20 million pounds.

When Mata abandonment our team our situation was very different from today. Before us we played with David Luiz - Cole - Mike - Lampard - Etoo. A very physical team where Mata had no space. But now we Matic - Fabregas - Azpilicueta - Diego Costa with Hazard being much more important. In our current team Mata would have space, not in our starting eleven but if your first option off the bench as a substitute Fabregas - maybe Koke - and Maybe Messi. To get along to the final stage of the season we need to rotate our starting eleven and Mata would be perfect for this. While I accept that it is a complicated debate.

Mata knows our team, he has the support of many of us because his level was spectacular with us before the arrival of Jose, and probably accept a secondary role as first choice to replace Fabregas or Koke.

In addition, we need to replace Mikel as a defensive midfielder. To me Imbula or Kondogbia would be a perfect choice (perhaps William Carvalho is too expensive). We need a new Obi Mikel.

As Drogba will become part of the technical team of Jose next season, signing a new striker is an obligation.

I think it's difficult to find a player who assume he comes with us to be backup of Diego Costa.

For example, last week a famous Spanish football program Lewandowski Always thought that was very close to signing for Real Madrid (I think this news is pure sensationalism). Lewandowski is a great player, but he would hardly accept to come with us to be behind Diego Costa. The same happens with Kane.

To me the options would be Icardi, Dybala o Talisca.

Regarding our sales I think Mikel, Cahill, Cech (although I prefer Cech will be with us next season, but it seems he wants a transfer), Remy, Willian or Ramires could leave our team. Maybe we can get a good amount of money for them.

The theme of the players on loan is perhaps more complicated. The same happens with young players. Maybe Nathan Ake needs a loan to another Premier League team to take minutes show that it is able to have a good performance in Premier League as he has had in our academy.

Our team for next season could be the next.

Players confirmed in black.

New players in Blue.

Players with doubts about his future in red.

Courtois

Cech

Zouma Varane

Ivanovic (as a wildcard) John Terry

Kalas

Azpilicueta Filipe Luis

Ivanovic (as a wildcard) Azpilicueta (as a wildcard)

Koke Matic

Ruben Loftus-Cheek Kondogbia or Imbula

Fabregas

Mata (as a wildcard)

Messi Hazard

Cuadrado Willian

Mata (as a wildcard)

Diego Costa

Icardi or Dybala

Messi as false 9 (wildcard)

A team with great quality to make the ball fly with a quick circulation of the ball (as in the beginning of the season).

We have made with a good backbone in our team and these signings would consolidate our spine.

Obviously I know it is impossible to sign all of these players, but can be a good roadmap in our transfer policy for the transfer market next summer.

I think it's not a team for FIFA or PES, with a balance of players to have a good team play without extravagance.

At the beginning of the season we have had a spectacular football which revolved around the figure of Fabregas. He was the great change from the first season of Jose and his second season with Fabregas and we took a step forward. Perhaps now we need to take one more step and sign players with great technical quality to consolidate our project permanently.

Jose showed earlier this season that he can make us to play a spectacular football and with these players I'm sure that Jose could make us to function as a perfect machine.

Now we have sentence this Premier League, but I think it's time to think about our next step.

I hope your comments.

Regards to ALL.

Supporter, you've outdone yourself this time mate, great post.

Regarding Mata. I'd like to see him come home, but I think that it depends on many factors. FOR EXAMPLE: Unless we are playing a really small team, we could not play Fabregas and Mata together. However, he's played in our team where we had far less skill than we did now, he had a free role, but the one issue is that Hazard has the same role, so I imagine that to accomodate that, our CM set up would be a b2b/DM rather than DLP/DM. Cesc does need to be rested, of course, and he could be a really good option, especially if we offload Oscar, which I hate to say but I can see it happening tbh unless he stops sitting back. Koke is probably first choice to be a backup, though, considering that he's more of a DLP, therefore a more direct replacement for Cesc. I loved Juan, though...him coming back would be amazing.

I think that in the case of Mikel and Ramires, though, we should have more faith in Ake and RLC. IMO, (I know many would disagree) in our system, RLC and Ake are both better than their counterparts already, imo, especially in the case of RLC. Ramires is a BWM, which is not something that we are in need of. RLC on the other hand is a B2B, and if we DID bring Mata back or we played Cesc more advanced, he could give those driving runs that Yaya does for Silva and City. Midfield experience is needed, though, and I think that for DM, Ake should continue his development on loan, and similarly, we loan maybe an older player to be the backup of Matic. Not sure who a good candidate would be, though. If RLC learns how to shoot outside of the box, I think he could be our next Lampard, this is something we lack, and due to this, often we are caught on the very outside of the box and we knock it about to try and find an opening within the 9 bodies there.

Regarding Cech and our centre back pairings: I worry for Varane, I really do. He did not look good vs Schalke. IMO, it might be worth getting John Stones instead... Otherwise I think Kalas would be good enough for us. As you say, we should be playing Azpi-Luis in fullback, it is waste to have him benched. Ivan should be a CB/RB backup for us next season, unless RM or PSG put in an offer we can't refuse. But I think the priority for us should be a quick defence, because the attacking system we wish to employ requires quick defenders. Kalas can do this, with Zouma. Which leads me onto the issue of Cech. I think that, as JT declines, we're going to have to play a centre back pairing with less experience than we have with JT now, which is why I believe Jose will try his best to keep him here. If he can't play JT he will want Cech to give that leadership element, which, ironically, I think means that the share of games between Thibaut and Cech will be more even next season. If Cech and JT both don't play, Cesc will be our next captain. Also, I think Cesc should not be playing CAM, he likes space and time to create, which is why Mata would be good when he doesn't play.

Finally, with Messi and Willian. I mean, it COULD happen...but I just don't see it. I think Willian will remain our starting winger here, who knows, without Iva behind him maybe he might surprise us, it must be intensely draining to have to mop up for Iva and then get up the field to attack within 15 seconds. If Messi came here, though.... I'd like to see Bamford return from loan, and I think Remy will go too. Drogs can be a Giggs-style player manager to make a few cameos in the season, milestones etc...

Courtois/Cech

Dave/Iva Zouma/Kalas JT/Stones Luis/Ake/Azpi

Cesc/Zouma/RLC Matic/Ake/(Loanee)

Mata/Messi/Cesc

Messi/Willian Hazard/Bamford

Diego/Bamford

Outs:

Oscar

Remy

Ramires

Mikel

Cahill(?)

^^^This team would be a personal favourite. Forgot to mention, if we stick Zouma in midfield then having 4 normal centre backs is not a bad shout. When Mata's in the team, it would tighten up the mid and might be a sensible change.

Cheers.

[Polo7 3,496]

People will moan even if we win the quadruple. Its the way it is, humans are never content.

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

I really can't believe what Mourinho's son put out on Instagram. Is he daft or something? Seriously, his father is the manager of Chelsea ffs.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

A little reminder

We played against City, psg this season that are considered top teams. We havent won any of 4 games, despite leading every time. The performances were bad too.

Even liverpool, united, spurs. We have won some games against them, but havent dominated single one.

Arsenal, Schalke are probably biggest wins of season, apart from liverpool extra time and spurs final.

Not exactly impressive.

[We Hate Scouse 10,330]

So what? Go on...

So his point is just because you wouldn't doesn't mean others would have.

Don't be so ignorant.

[Spike 12,049]

People will moan even if we win the quadruple. Its the way it is, humans are never content.

Just like how you are moaning right now?

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

Mourinho should be used to this sort of behaviour from fans. He was manager of Real Madrid, right?

[Liquidator 5,176]

So his point is just because you wouldn't doesn't mean others would have.

Don't be so ignorant.

I didn't understand what he meant by so...

I was merely asking him to expand on his point because I didn't understand it. I wasn't discrediting it.

[darrus 422]

I don't remember Jose's son's accaunt name, but it clearly started with goalkeeper or gk or something like that. So this one which made everyone so up in arms seems to be fake.

Upd - @gk_jose_ffc judging by photos with Chelsea players.

[Polo7 3,496]

Just like how you are moaning right now?

I wasnt moaning there. But yes I moan some days just like you.

[Spike 12,049]

I wasnt moaning there. But yes I moan some days just like you.

Sounds like you are having a moan.

[supporter 3,088]

Supporter, you've outdone yourself this time mate, great post.

Regarding Mata. I'd like to see him come home, but I think that it depends on many factors. FOR EXAMPLE: Unless we are playing a really small team, we could not play Fabregas and Mata together. However, he's played in our team where we had far less skill than we did now, he had a free role, but the one issue is that Hazard has the same role, so I imagine that to accomodate that, our CM set up would be a b2b/DM rather than DLP/DM. Cesc does need to be rested, of course, and he could be a really good option, especially if we offload Oscar, which I hate to say but I can see it happening tbh unless he stops sitting back. Koke is probably first choice to be a backup, though, considering that he's more of a DLP, therefore a more direct replacement for Cesc. I loved Juan, though...him coming back would be amazing.

I think that in the case of Mikel and Ramires, though, we should have more faith in Ake and RLC. IMO, (I know many would disagree) in our system, RLC and Ake are both better than their counterparts already, imo, especially in the case of RLC. Ramires is a BWM, which is not something that we are in need of. RLC on the other hand is a B2B, and if we DID bring Mata back or we played Cesc more advanced, he could give those driving runs that Yaya does for Silva and City. Midfield experience is needed, though, and I think that for DM, Ake should continue his development on loan, and similarly, we loan maybe an older player to be the backup of Matic. Not sure who a good candidate would be, though. If RLC learns how to shoot outside of the box, I think he could be our next Lampard, this is something we lack, and due to this, often we are caught on the very outside of the box and we knock it about to try and find an opening within the 9 bodies there.

Regarding Cech and our centre back pairings: I worry for Varane, I really do. He did not look good vs Schalke. IMO, it might be worth getting John Stones instead... Otherwise I think Kalas would be good enough for us. As you say, we should be playing Azpi-Luis in fullback, it is waste to have him benched. Ivan should be a CB/RB backup for us next season, unless RM or PSG put in an offer we can't refuse. But I think the priority for us should be a quick defence, because the attacking system we wish to employ requires quick defenders. Kalas can do this, with Zouma. Which leads me onto the issue of Cech. I think that, as JT declines, we're going to have to play a centre back pairing with less experience than we have with JT now, which is why I believe Jose will try his best to keep him here. If he can't play JT he will want Cech to give that leadership element, which, ironically, I think means that the share of games between Thibaut and Cech will be more even next season. If Cech and JT both don't play, Cesc will be our next captain. Also, I think Cesc should not be playing CAM, he likes space and time to create, which is why Mata would be good when he doesn't play.

Finally, with Messi and Willian. I mean, it COULD happen...but I just don't see it. I think Willian will remain our starting winger here, who knows, without Iva behind him maybe he might surprise us, it must be intensely draining to have to mop up for Iva and then get up the field to attack within 15 seconds. If Messi came here, though.... I'd like to see Bamford return from loan, and I think Remy will go too. Drogs can be a Giggs-style player manager to make a few cameos in the season, milestones etc...

Courtois/Cech

Dave/Iva Zouma/Kalas JT/Stones Luis/Ake/Azpi

Cesc/Zouma/RLC Matic/Ake/(Loanee)

Mata/Messi/Cesc

Messi/Willian Hazard/Bamford

Diego/Bamford

Outs:

Oscar

Remy

Ramires

Mikel

Cahill(?)

^^^This team would be a personal favourite. Forgot to mention, if we stick Zouma in midfield then having 4 normal centre backs is not a bad shout. When Mata's in the team, it would tighten up the mid and might be a sensible change.

Cheers.

Hi friend!

Thanks for your comment.

Yes, I too would be delighted to see Mata back home with us. I think that now he would fit perfectly into our style of play and would be a perfect replacement for Fabregas.

We have to think about rotate our players. It is impossible to reach either end of the season are 11 or 12 players. If we recover Mata I think he could help Fabregas or play on the left side if the suits that position.

His departure was strange but we all agreed what Mata did for us. I believe that his return would not be a problem. Quite the opposite, many of us we would be happy. Mata is a player Fabregas style, not the same, but a player with a philosophy of play

similarly.

Option 1.

Koke Matic

Fabregas

Option 2.

Fabregas Matic

Mata

Option 3.

Koke Matic

Mata

Option 4.

Koke Matic

Mata Fabregas

Regarding Varane, I think he is demoralized by the treatment they give in Madrid. Varane now represents something good from the legacy of Jose, and many want to renew contrary to Jose Pepe and sell Varane. For example, Sergio Ramos is now recovered from his injury and Varana will not play again until Ramos and Pepe is injured. It's a frustrating situation for him. Jose Varane can make a huge player.

But John Stones would be a fantastic choice. A young guy with an impressive maturity. It is a player to watch out for the future.

I think Ruben Loftus-Cheek is the jewel of gold of our Academy. I trust that RLC play in the last game this season. If he has minutes I'm sure we have a great player for the next decade.

And Messi is our greatest dream. I hope Barcelona win this season all possible titles so that Messi can leave Barcelona without polemics. I think when Messi had the problem with Luis Enrique (and started following us on Instagram) he and Barcelona agreed to a transfer in summer if Messi did not generate much controversy. Since then he plays more liberated.

Messi would be the culmination of the Roman project with us. a mediatic player that would make us grow in every way.

Regards.

[Polo7 3,496]

Sounds like you are having a moan.

Lol and your supposed to be a mod. Sounds like you are trying to wind me up.

[Spike 12,049]

Lol and your supposed to be a mod. Sounds like you are trying to wind me up.

At least I don't moan about moaning and backtrack when I called out on it. Love you too, I'd love you to wank me off.

[Styles 9,790]

Look, over the last few weeks he was pretty adventurous with Zouma ; but as soon as something went wrong — i.e. the game against PSG at the Bridge —, he went back to his deep shell and automatically returned, without any consideration, to his classical line-up : ivanovic-Cahill-Terry-Azpi-Matic-Fabregas-Willian-Oscar-Hazard-Costa.

Cahill, against Paris, produced one of the most embarrassing piece of defending that I have ever seen ; so embarrassing that even Terry got his mind messed up. And obviously, if that was not enough, it led to their goal... But of course he gets the nod ahead of Zouma, even though the later would have been a better fit in regards of his pace (and because he is simply better). You can add Oscar... He was so useless against Paris that he was subbed off at half time, yet he is still starting the next game (and played 80 minutes of that games). And that is the case for some other players.

Ultra-conservatism and a negative approach both in his tactics and his line-up ; as I said, he went back to his shell — because Mourinho is insecure and frail. If you ask me, it is all because of his spell in Madrid, and especially the last year. His results at Madrid have been lukewarm in comparison of what he achieved at Porto, Inter and Chelsea. Of course his last two seasons at Chelsea were not that great and he ended up to be sacked — but he was still the Special One and the young, shining and cocky manager. The difference is that in Spain medias were not buying that "Special One" thing ; and the fact that he "fail" have broken him, in my opinion.

And if you compare last season with this one, you can also grasp his frailness. Indeed, last season, when we had the excuse of the "transitional season" and "Torres", he had a security cushion to be "adventurous". We won twice against City, which was a better team than it is this season and the intensity and the will to score that we showcased in the away fixture was incredible. It was the same against Liverpool home and away, Soton away... And Arsenal at home, where we took full advantage of our numerical superiority — something we failed against Paris and City.

However, this year is a different story. Each time we meet a half-decent team, we merely resort to ultra-conservative and negative tactics ; we just give up on playing football all together (attack and defense). Mourinho is too much afraid to lose now that he has to win.

It is the same situation with his behaviour in the medias. Of course he has always been cocky, but this season it is more than assurance and pride, it is a wounded animal that defend himself by being overly aggressive.

Unfortunately, as long as he will not win trophies again on a "regular" basis, he will be that insecure manager that plays (or does not play) to not to lose. I though the League Cup would have given him back some life, but it seems the wound he has will need more than that to heal...

nothing but facts. Please post more.

Not surprised at all to seee Jose Jr let slip just how much Mourinho hates the fans.

[darrus 422]

nothing but facts. Please post more.

Not surprised at all to seee Jose Jr let slip just how much Mourinho hates the fans.

For God's sake, that's Jose Junior's account http://imagestun.com/hosting/kartinki/bcg9ikwwaa.jpg, not the one newspapers are reporting. Just check the username.

[zolayes 14,489]

I would've wrote it when I was 15 so...

when I was 15 we didnt even have TV or a phone and wrote on slate with chalk