The Mourinho Thread

[Henrique 9,133]

At this point I still don't understand how some people refuse to blame Mourinho for the weak squad we have at the moment. I remember days ago that the next manager will have a huge task in rebuilding this squad. I saw many people saying its a proof that Mourinho was a victim of Emenalo not buying the right players, and Mourinho this team needed reinforcements. 

First thing we should be asking is if Mourinho really believed this squad is as weak as it really is. Every single manager in the world will be willing to add new players every season, but did Mourinho really realized this team is weak as it is?

http://www.chelsea.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=554099

Well, Mourinho  was saying in the summer it was really difficult to improve this squad, because its diffcult to find a better midfielder than Fabregas and MATIC (!!!), so the squad needed 2 or 3 players in order to avoid difficults due to injuries. We also have to remember Mourinho spent last season praising the back four Azpi, Cahill, Terry, Ivanovic. He was so happy with that back 4, he even allowed Luis to be sold back to Madrid after only one season. Before the season started, almost every pundit were backing Chelsea to win the league again because we had the strongest squad.

We also have to remember all the players Mourinho allowed to leave, and I really believe everyone realize this squad would offer more options if we still had the likes of Schurle, Salah, Cuadrado, Luiz, Luis, Kevin de Bruyne, Lukaku and Mata around. Easily one of the most dynamic and strongest squads in the world. But, no. Mourinho was someone who was not shy about letting Schurle leave, despite the german having a decent goal's record for his playing time, and letting Salah and Cuadrado leaving after 4 months of competitive football and no more than 4 or 5 starting games from both. That speaks loud about Mourinho poor squad manegement. He couldn't even properly rotate his players, so some of them easily lost motivation. There were the days when Cahill, Ivanovic, Terry and Ivanovic all got similar playing time during the whole season. Under Mourinho the team had basically 10 fixed players in the starting line-up, and one slot for everyone else, and at the end of the day we all knew Ramires, Oscar or Mikel would be fighting for that place, and thats it. Mourinho is the antithesis of long term. Considering United squad is no more than so so, Mourinho's (lack of) ability to build squads will be truly exposed. 

[pHaRaOn 2,131]

Surely Mourinho has to share the blame for what happened this season, but some people make him as some sort of antichrist, who came and plunged the world into chaos. Don't take serious his words of "this squad can't be improved". He also said: "Even if we say we’re very happy with our squad, we lie, because we always want to make it better". As for Schurrle, Salah, Luis, Luiz etc. Sure, they would have been useful players, but it wasn't Mourinho politics, that he can't buy someone, until club sell someone.

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[lucio 5,418]

they can have alan curbishley then.

[Muzchap 8,966]

53 minutes ago, Henrique said:

At this point I still don't understand how some people refuse to blame Mourinho for the weak squad we have at the moment. I remember days ago that the next manager will have a huge task in rebuilding this squad. I saw many people saying its a proof that Mourinho was a victim of Emenalo not buying the right players, and Mourinho this team needed reinforcements. 

First thing we should be asking is if Mourinho really believed this squad is as weak as it really is. Every single manager in the world will be willing to add new players every season, but did Mourinho really realized this team is weak as it is?

http://www.chelsea.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=554099

Well, Mourinho  was saying in the summer it was really difficult to improve this squad, because its diffcult to find a better midfielder than Fabregas and MATIC (!!!), so the squad needed 2 or 3 players in order to avoid difficults due to injuries. We also have to remember Mourinho spent last season praising the back four Azpi, Cahill, Terry, Ivanovic. He was so happy with that back 4, he even allowed Luis to be sold back to Madrid after only one season. Before the season started, almost every pundit were backing Chelsea to win the league again because we had the strongest squad.

We also have to remember all the players Mourinho allowed to leave, and I really believe everyone realize this squad would offer more options if we still had the likes of Schurle, Salah, Cuadrado, Luiz, Luis, Kevin de Bruyne, Lukaku and Mata around. Easily one of the most dynamic and strongest squads in the world. But, no. Mourinho was someone who was not shy about letting Schurle leave, despite the german having a decent goal's record for his playing time, and letting Salah and Cuadrado leaving after 4 months of competitive football and no more than 4 or 5 starting games from both. That speaks loud about Mourinho poor squad manegement. He couldn't even properly rotate his players, so some of them easily lost motivation. There were the days when Cahill, Ivanovic, Terry and Ivanovic all got similar playing time during the whole season. Under Mourinho the team had basically 10 fixed players in the starting line-up, and one slot for everyone else, and at the end of the day we all knew Ramires, Oscar or Mikel would be fighting for that place, and thats it. Mourinho is the antithesis of long term. Considering United squad is no more than so so, Mourinho's (lack of) ability to build squads will be truly exposed. 

The takeaway for me is that:

Pundits always talk shite

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The deal between United and Mourinho isn't yet signed, but there's been a sort of "gentleman's agreement" (via @DiMarzio) #MUFC

Mourinho has been looking for a quality midfielder, a central defender & a truly decisive striker for his future team (via @DiMarzio) #MUFC

#MUFC wants to partner Andrea Berta with Mourinho [the two have a strong mutual relationship with Jorge Mendes] (via @DiMarzio) #Atletico

Andrea Berta’s decision comes over Easter: and Mourinho already feels like a Red Devil from Manchester (via @DiMarzio) #MUFC #Atletico

 

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Jose Mourinho RESIGNED to Manchester United naming Ryan Giggs manager after Louis van Gaal

 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/jose-mourinho-resigned-manchester-united-7499916

[Styles 9,790]

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Jose Mourinho’s inability to develop young players into first-team regulars will cost him the chance of replacing Louis van Gaal as Manchester United manager at the expense of Ryan Giggs, the former Chelsea boss is believed to have accepted.

[Jose]Those pesky kids! [/Jose]

[BlueLyon 9,359]

In case if Mou succeeds at another club, and would be linked with return here, it would be funny if everyone would get uber excited despite shiting on him on daily basis these days.

The man partly fucked up our current team, but no one should ever forget what he achieved with this club. 

[Tomo 21,754]

On 10/03/2016 at 2:21 AM, BlueLyon said:

In case if Mou succeeds at another club, and would be linked with return here, it would be funny if everyone would get uber excited despite shiting on him on daily basis these days.

The man partly fucked up our current team, but no one should ever forget what he achieved with this club. 

If the circumstances allow I can easily see him coming back for a third spell.

His long term managment has been exposed for all to see, but he is still the best in the business for instant success, appointing Jose almost guarantees a league title and gives you about a 40% chance if CL success, that will guarantee him top level jobs for the rest of his career and that could include a third spell here but that won't be for a good six years atleast.

[Henrique 9,133]

Yesterday the 2nd Mourinho's era was oficially over in a pretty depressing way. The team was beaten with a pathetic line up. Kenedy, a promissing attacking player playing as a LB, while Felipe Luis was discarded after one single season because Mourinho believed he wasn't good enough to replace Azpilicueta, a player that was supposed to be so good that the team would win UCL with 11 Azpilicuetas, but made a stupid mistake to let PSG score a hope killer goal, a CB duo that will, beyond doubt, conced at least a goal per game, despite Mourinho praising both players as world class, and an unfinished product (Traore) as the best answear to the absence of Diego Costa, easily the best player of the game, because Jose decided the likes of Lukaku, Schurle and Salah weren't good enough, while Falcao was. What about Oscar? Remember that José decided he was his #10 player, so Mata was useless?

Yesterday's depressing defeat was the final chapter of a tragedy. Its quite pathetic that some people seem to get excited when they imagine Mourinhod returning one day, specially when they spent years talking about how "long term" and "stability" are better than "short term success". Winning PL and in the process condeming the team to a HUGE crisis that will require years to recover from is far from "statable".

[Tomo 21,754]

On 10/03/2016 at 6:51 AM, Henrique said:

Yesterday the 2nd Mourinho's era was oficially over in a pretty depressing way. The team was beaten with a pathetic line up. Kenedy, a promissing attacking player playing as a LB, while Felipe Luis was discarded after one single season because Mourinho believed he wasn't good enough to replace Azpilicueta, a player that was supposed to be so good that the team would win UCL with 11 Azpilicuetas, but made a stupid mistake to let PSG score a hope killer goal, a CB duo that will, beyond doubt, conced at least a goal per game, despite Mourinho praising both players as world class, and an unfinished product (Traore) as the best answear to the absence of Diego Costa, easily the best player of the game, because Jose decided the likes of Lukaku, Schurle and Salah weren't good enough, while Falcao was. What about Oscar? Remember that José decided he was his #10 player, so Mata was useless?

Yesterday's depressing defeat was the final chapter of a tragedy. Its quite pathetic that some people seem to get excited when they imagine Mourinhod returning one day, specially when they spent years talking about how "long term" and "stability" are better than "short term success". Winning PL and in the process condeming the team to a HUGE crisis that will require years to recover from is far from "statable".

If you are referring to me,

1. I have always thought all this " long term" and "stability" thing was overrated, fair enough if you have a 65 year old manager and a 43 yeae old at a similar level choose 43, but I'd never advocate choosing an inferior manager because they will likely stick around "longer term".

2. If the return ever happened, their would be no illusions this time,the second coming was an attempt at Mourinho settling down for the long term, it didn't work clearly, but I'd he came back again their would be no bullshhit or long term illusions, we would know two years and that will be that.

Obviously if we have a settled manager with a squad that play football the opposite of what he does, then it's simply not going to happen, but if we rock up hypothetically in say 2022 managerless with a squad that looks similar to Inters in 2008 in terms of player profile, and Mou is also looking for a new job, I can easily see the temptations for both parties.

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Jose Mourinho has confirmed he WILL start a new job in July.

[Styles 9,790]

Mourinho broke the club.

 

[Fernando 6,743]

It was all about him and his short termism look in winning trophies. 

Never thought about the future and why he sold our best young players. 

 

[Essien19 1,415]

i don't think that one employee is solely responsible for this mess, we're speaking about a multi-million pound Business.

'He is the hero Chelsea needs, but not the one it deserves'.

He took all the blame, the only one who got the boot for this so far, but he's not bad mouthing about us, he keeps his mouth shut!

But some people here love to stick it to him.

Some on here say 'only' a league title, that shows how spoilt some here have become, like Unionjack famously said: most of the fans of some Premier-League club would have happily given their left.... for seeing their team win it, but nowadays it's all about the treble or at least the right and only way to play footie, a bit how this voyeur cunt has successfully sold to his fanbase.

Some time ago Di Maria emphasized the importance of the players.

Sure a coach can influence them but only to a certain point, then the players have to show up!

We were right to sell most of the players but these days even the likes of Schurrle, Bertrand and so on have become so-called world beaters. Laughable! On this i agree with Tomo.

We have to look to the future, that's all what matters!

[MichaelDance 552]

On 10 March 2016 at 2:58 AM, Tomo said:

If the circumstances allow I can easily see him coming back for a third spell.

His long term managment has been exposed for all to see, but he is still the best in the business for instant success, appointing Jose almost guarantees a league title and gives you about a 40% chance if CL success, that will guarantee him top level jobs for the rest of his career and that could include a third spell here but that won't be for a good six years atleast.

He loves Chelsea, he loves us (the fans), he loves everything about Chelsea, the only thing I wish was that our owner felt the same way as he did.... If the owner did he would have kept Mourinho and sacked his  right man for the awful transfers and waste of the club / his money.

[OneMoSalah 9,122]

Just now, MichaelDance said:

He loves Chelsea, he loves us (the fans), he loves everything about Chelsea, the only thing I wish was that our owner felt the same way as he did.... If the owner did he would have kept Mourinho and sacked his  right man for the awful transfers and waste of the club / his money.

To be perfectly honest, you can't sack a technical director when its the manager who lost/upset the majority of the dressing room (which seems to be a recurring thing with him hence why hes never lasted more than 3 years at any club and likely won't).

Also how can anybody question Roman's feeling for the club either? People seem to forget we hadn't won a league title since 1955 before 2005. Sure we'd won European trophies and won FA cups, Charity Shields etc but the club is in the place it is right now as a global brand solely because of one mans ambition and that man is Roman Abramovich. Since he took over we have been the most successful English team in terms of winning trophies despite all the sackings and bumps along the way. 

Sure things have gone tits up to for people to question a man who's commitment has been shown in an investment of £1 billion or more is ridiculous. Just wait and see as well if Mourinho becomes Manchester United manager, it will show how much he "loves" Chelsea wont it?

[Alan Partridge 1,124]

Jose will win cups at United then lose the plot and will be gone within 2-4 seasons. Classic Jose 

[Essien19 1,415]

Jose will win cups at United then lose the plot and will be gone within 2-4 seasons. Classic Jose 

Winning cups at Chelsea's expense, but at least we'll play some nice footie, maybe some youngsters will leave because they want to win something, or maybe not, we'll see.

One thing is for sure: Winning trophies is very bad for Chelsea.