The Mourinho Thread

[xPetrCechx 13,563]

[Pizy 18,371]

25 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

Bamford went to Palace and then immediately following that he (Pardew) brought Wickham in, he favoured Wickham even though he was poor and Bamford got the Chelsea treatment.

What's also prominent is the fact we have a player that we are paying fucking insane wages too still sat here not even kicking a ball in Falcao, how does that make sense in business? Another JM and agent master stroke i guess hey? Another block in the nasal passage of youth and path to a chance in the team. What actual harm would it of done to keep Patrick here, play him against MK Dons and see how he got on? Just answer me that?

Hey, man, I'm with you. Hopefully the next manager agrees and brings a few through. The question is if our board and owner share the supporters desire to implement youth. They've shown over the past few windows that the answer may be "no." 

[Laylabelle 9,361]

The fact its gone quiet and suddenly being reported again a fair bit says it all really.Matter of time really and has been since he got the sack

[Pizy 18,371]

3 minutes ago, xPetrCechx said:

Looks like it's close.

This is going to suck. Be prepared for a whole bunch of dirt about Chelsea to be made public.

[Laylabelle 9,361]

Long as we dont mess up our situation and start going through managers again not to bothered.They were never gana stay poor for long and were bound to get someone a lot better in.Probably still feels he has unfinished business with English teams so meh.What we do matters!Which isnt always promising

[Hybrid Angel 2,130]

Knowing Mourinho he won't say anything against the board or the club out of respect. He doesn't wanna come off as butthurt and would want the fans regret getting rid of him.

[Pizy 18,371]

2 minutes ago, Hybrid Angel said:

Knowing Mourinho he won't say anything against the board or the club out of respect. He doesn't wanna come off as butthurt and would want the fans regret getting rid of him.

Maybe not at first. I think he'll talk about how he didn't feel like he was backed like he should've been in the market this past summer. I think he'll say that it was a joke that we sacked him again and I think he'll take a jab or three at our players for underperforming. I have a feeling that his unveiling press conference will be painful viewing/reading for Chelsea fans.

I also remember him saying he'd talk about the Carneiro situation "when the time is right," so I wouldn't be shocked if he explained what happened at some point.

"Out of respect" doesn't mean much to him in this case I feel. He'll be angry as hell and out for revenge against Chelsea. Think we'll see the best José Mourinho since his first stint with us. He'll have his "dream job," as disgusting as that is to type. 

[Fernando 6,468]

49 minutes ago, Essien19 said:

Maybe you've got a point there, maybe not, at least you can back it up with your aforementioned examples,
no problem mate.
You're not out of line, furthermore you refused to use some disrespectful language as some others before,
you respect his achievements, in the end it's all good!

In my point of view about three years is a very long time, especially in Football, a lot can happen, yes, it's not pulling off a Klopp (~7 years at BVB), but the status quo could severely change.
Most of the top clubs want to win a title in not later than 2 seasons, we'll hear the moaning loud and clear if we become an Arsenal, imo. One should never underestimate this period of time, as i said before,
for me it's not short term. Ferguson left ~3 years ago, nowadays Manchester is blue.

Chelsea has been falling apart so far, yes, but Real Madrid under his guidance wasn't that bad,
they went to the Copa del Rey final and to the semis in Europe, ain't that bad, imo.
In the next season they won the CL, it was more or less Jose's squad, imo. 

So, what's the problem at Chelsea?
After Jose was out of job, i read something like 'it's impossible to be successful at Chelsea for 'longer',
at first you may think, what a bad loser, but then?
If you want to judge a manager fairly, you have to give him full power over the squad,
i'm under the impression something isn't right at Chelsea, generally speaking.
I was in denial for a very long time, but in the end i have come to my senses, imo^^,
some young guys should have been playing a lot more.
I was hopeful after Jose's reign and accepted that this was one of his actions why he had to leave,
but Hiddink continues in doing so and i can't get my head around it yet, is someone else calling the shots?
I watched the game against Watford full time, zero control in midfield and that's not the first time.
Some changes need to be done, we can't wait forever!
For fuck's sake we sold our Ramires for a lot of money but so far nothing's changed.

At Chelsea Mourinho didn't lose all of his players, Courtois placed himself in one corner and i think he wasn't alone, same happened at Madrid,
but yes, the majority turned their backs on him. But that's not only Jose's problem,
the club and fans have to suffer too, just because they are Divas and can't handle some heavy shit.
There are definitely some players out there who are very difficult to handle, yes, the coach is responsible in the end,
but in my eyes especially at Chelsea it's far too easy for the players, they rule the club!

What have Inter, Chelsea, Real and again Chelsea all in common?
Exactly, it's not easy to work with the board, they all have one 'mad' president who thinks he knows best or has at least some bad advisors, imo. 
I'm under the impression that at ManUnited it could be different, Ferguson's reign ended,
but the structures are still there for the taking, imo.
Maybe this time it won't end in tears, but anyway, if he could prevent a possible reign of Pep Guardiola,
his appointment shouldn't count as a failure, imo.

Final words:
I get where you're coming from but i think if Jose goes to United and wins in 2-3 years some titles it would be our loss.
This time span would be long enough to put United back on the map, some people might think differently,
but i think Jose can still attract top players, they will go to United and apart from the money having him around matters, similar to Van Persie who was devastated by Ferguson's decision to quit, but maybe you're right and we'll have a young and hungry squad like currently the Yids ready to steamroll Jose after he ran his United team into the ground...
Still, the question remains whether guys like Courtois, Hazard, Willian and others -especially Roman would accept such a tough run, we all know, when it's gone,
it's very difficult to recover and gain back the attraction from the good ol' days.
Sorry, for the excess length and the English, couldn't help myself...

Regards!

Well yes you have a great point about a manager having total control of affairs. 

But to be fair Mourinho knew that when he came the second time. There's only two clubs he would get that. Arsenal and United. 

Outside of that no team is really giving much of that who are elite unless you take over Everton or something like that. 

That's the way things are at Chelsea because of our owner. 

[petre.ispirescu 4,928]

Listen, this is going to be the end for Mourinho. Mark my words here. We all know why he is taking this job. He is not coming back to prove us that he's still got it, he is coming back to go to war against Chelsea and Guardiola and this thirst of his for revenge is going to be the last nail in his coffin. We have a phrase here in Romania that sounds like this - "Revenge is a stupid man's weapon". 

He is sick and won't change. Maybe at first he will behave, but when paranoia hits him and Guardiola gets inside his head, he is finished. Guardiola is going to rip him into pieces.

Tony Pulis with money, the self proclaimed "special one" is back to spoil Guardiola's 1st season in EPL, but boy he is going to look like an absolute clown. Can't wait for it. 

[Laylabelle 9,361]

Did think he'll go there after Fergie retired and seemed a lot of Man U fans did as well...just a stop gap in between and all that.

[Fernando 6,468]

I don't know but to me I don't see neither Mourinho nor pep dominating the league for many years to come. 

This league is changing by leaps and bounds each season and all that thanks to the TV money that is so well distributed to everyone. 

Because of this situation every player and manager in the world will want to come here. And it doesn't have to be at Manchester but any team will do fine. 

Who would have thought Stoke getting the players they have gotten? 

And whats even worse for other leagues in the coming years, the "small" clubs will continue to raid and poach players from their respective clubs. Because the club will have good enough funds to build a good squad like Stoke is doing. And mark ain't the best manager out there. We will get more younger guys like pochetino coming in to challenge the established order. 

So yeah brace yourself because we are in for a fun ride. Just hope that Chelsea appoints a competent manager. 

[Pizy 18,371]

13 minutes ago, Fernando said:

I don't know but to me I don't see neither Mourinho nor pep dominating the league for many years to come. 

This league is changing by leaps and bounds each season and all that thanks to the TV money that is so well distributed to everyone. 

Because of this situation every player and manager in the world will want to come here. And it doesn't have to be at Manchester but any team will do fine. 

Who would have thought Stoke getting the players they have gotten? 

And whats even worse for other leagues in the coming years, the "small" clubs will continue to raid and poach players from their respective clubs. Because the club will have good enough funds to build a good squad like Stoke is doing. And mark ain't the best manager out there. We will get more younger guys like pochetino coming in to challenge the established order. 

So yeah brace yourself because we are in for a fun ride. Just hope that Chelsea appoints a competent manager. 

Don't think anyone will dominate points wise like Bayern, PSG, or RM/Barca do where there's enormous separation between them and the other clubs, but I can definitely see domination in terms of titles between those two if we don't appoint the right manager. 

We're the only club that can (theoretically) keep up with them financially in this league so I'd say we have the best chance of any PL side to challenge them. Again, assuming we appoint a top man.

[Kieran. 6,317]

Can't really blame him for wanting to go to the scum but at the same time, really won't look at him the same, at least while he's there.

[HD3D 1,038]

3 hours ago, Pizy said:

One of, if not the saddest part of this situation is that it'll make it seem like he's been desperate for years to take the United job as rumors have suggested since SAF left. That he only came back to Chelsea because he had no real alternatives.

Nonsense. SAF himself wrote in his book that upon speaking to Jose he realized it was useless to invite him to take his place at MU because it was clear he was going to Chelsea.

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/607043/Sir-Alex-Ferguson-Manchester-United-Leading-new-book-Moyes-Rooney-Van-Gaal-Transfer-News

[Pizy 18,371]

38 minutes ago, HD3D said:

Nonsense. SAF himself wrote in his book that upon speaking to Jose he realized it was useless to invite him to take his place at MU because it was clear he was going to Chelsea.

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/607043/Sir-Alex-Ferguson-Manchester-United-Leading-new-book-Moyes-Rooney-Van-Gaal-Transfer-News

It's being reported by some reputable outlets that José was in contact with United within 24 hours of us sacking him. That to me sounds like he's absolutely desperate for the job. 

[Billy. 2,742]

Jose owes us nothing, remember we sacked him twice.Good luck to him 

[Essien19 1,415]

13 minutes ago, Pizy said:

It's being reported by some reputable outlets that José was in contact with United within 24 hours of us sacking him. That to me sounds like he's AbsolutkeyAbsolutely desperate for the job. 

Why did he extend his contract then?
You're talking a lot of sense for most of the time, but in this case i think you've got it wrong, but i think we'll never know, so i have to leave it here.

[Pizy 18,371]

13 minutes ago, Essien19 said:

Why did he extend his contract then?
You're talking a lot of sense for most of the time, but in this case i think you've got it wrong, but i think we'll never know, so i have to leave it here.

Didn't he extend his contract before the season started? At that time he probably genuinely felt like he would be able to build a dynasty here and the board would back him properly.