The Mourinho Thread

[Ossie the King 634]

Life goes on, noone bigger than the club etc along with other cliches. However it is apparent that it is money that is running the game, and if Chelsea had a 'soul' it was in Cech, Terry, Lampard, Essien, Drogba, and Mouirnho. To me this is as important than money, and I would rather the 'soul' be in the above than Buck, Emanalo, Maria - all I can see is another merry go round of managers, the odd cup and Liverpool type mediocrity looming. Hope I am wrong.

I've said it earlier but this is worse than the Rafa hiring in signalling that we as a support mean nothing and that the club is basically Roman's toy to do with as he wish. I say that as someone who has a lot of affinity for the guy and love to see him enjoying the match, but he is not a football guy and he's not really a Chelsea guy either. He's not 'one of us'.

And for the first time I actually don't think he's worthy of the CPO giving up their stake in the club. Never thought I'd say that but right now I am struggling to like this club. At least with the CPO still holding a stake then I know there's something there that I recognise as being Chelsea, but the club itself seems to be so disconnected with the support that it's untrue.

Emenalo always strikes me as a chancer and fair play to him. He's got the ear of a billionaire based on not very much but I don't trust him. Same goes for Marina who I did like, but she absolutely butchered that Stones deal to the point you wonder if she's anything more than a glorified secretary in over her head. Buck and Tenebaum....no clue. At least with Bates you knew where you stood because he unashamedly spouted it whether you wanted him to or not. We've never really heard Roman speak and now he sends out Emenalo to piss everyone off.

He's right, the club is in trouble. He just doesn't realise that he's part of the problem.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

I don't know about wonders but he did a great job, that's true. But I think many people forget Ranieri finished 2nd behind the Invincibles and reached the semi-finals of the CL. His team was not as talented as the 04/05 one and his team was quite fresh (in terms of chemistery). You can't tell me Ranieri would never have won the league if he was allowed to stay. He most likely wouldn't have won it in such a dominant fashion, at least that's what I think.

You're probably right about Hughes but I'm sure he was gone before the real talent joined. He had that Adebayor team. But I rate Ranieri higher than Hughes.

For sure, Ranieri is proving his stripes once again but it didn't come as a surprise.

Although I've noticed he's less of the 'tinkerman' this season, he's not really chopped and screwed with LCFC (albeit, that down to lack of personnel perhaps). Hot and cold appointment though, hasn't had the best of luck around since leaving Chelsea. Did well to get Monaco promoted and iirc, he did it in style. But that's when they were boasting a huge talent load (damned tax havens).

For the life of me, I don't remember how his Juve and Inter stints were.

[Fulham Broadway 17,810]

I've said it earlier but this is worse than the Rafa hiring in signalling that we as a support mean nothing and that the club is basically Roman's toy to do with as he wish. I say that as someone who has a lot of affinity for the guy and love to see him enjoying the match, but he is not a football guy and he's not really a Chelsea guy either. He's not 'one of us'.

And for the first time I actually don't think he's worthy of the CPO giving up their stake in the club. Never thought I'd say that but right now I am struggling to like this club. At least with the CPO still holding a stake then I know there's something there that I recognise as being Chelsea, but the club itself seems to be so disconnected with the support that it's untrue.

Emenalo always strikes me as a chancer and fair play to him. He's got the ear of a billionaire based on not very much but I don't trust him. Same goes for Marina who I did like, but she absolutely butchered that Stones deal to the point you wonder if she's anything more than a glorified secretary in over her head. Buck and Tenebaum....no clue. At least with Bates you knew where you stood because he unashamedly spouted it whether you wanted him to or not. We've never really heard Roman speak and now he sends out Emenalo to piss everyone off.

He's right, the club is in trouble. He just doesn't realise that he's part of the problem.

We have to recognise what Abramovichs money has done in terms of success-the silverware, the increase from 20 000 hardcore fans under Bates to the addition of 20 million cyber/TV fans But if you or I earn money we are a prudent how we spend it. If you managed to get a permanently drunk Yeltsin to sign you over $12bn of Russian peoples assets, to me you havent really earned it, so would be a lot more cavalier in how you spunk it around. I might get one yacht but 6 ?

There seems to be a paranoid pyramid at SW6, Emanalo is one of the whispering ones, amongst the Roman emperors inner circle, and staff seen as disposable assets. Mourinho also aderes to that ruthless way of treating people with the way he balled out, and refused to apologise to the physio woman.

Football what with FIFA totally bent, rather than the beautiful game is pretty ugly now.

[DYC. 7,542]

For sure, Ranieri is proving his stripes once again but it didn't come as a surprise.

Although I've noticed he's less of the 'tinkerman' this season, he's not really chopped and screwed with LCFC (albeit, that down to lack of personnel perhaps). Hot and cold appointment though, hasn't had the best of luck around since leaving Chelsea. Did well to get Monaco promoted and iirc, he did it in style. But that's when they were boasting a huge talent load (damned tax havens).

For the life of me, I don't remember how his Juve and Inter stints were.

Yeah, hot and cold is right. Don't think his time at Juve and Inter was considered a succes. He seems to like a challenge though, he's in for all kinds of jobs. His timing might not be the best though.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

Yeah, hot and cold is right. Don't think his time at Juve and Inter was considered a succes. He seems to like a challenge though, he's in for all kinds of jobs. His timing might not be the best though.

It's amazing when you think the backlash Leicester got for sacking Pearson initially and then eyebrows raised even more when Ranieri was appointed

[Billy. 2,742]

[DYC. 7,542]

It's amazing when you think the backlash Leicester got for sacking Pearson initially and then eyebrows raised even more when Ranieri was appointed

That's life. The same thing happened when Pochettino was appointed at Southampton. It's always nice when a man proves the masses wrong.

With all this Hiddink talk, I hope he proves me wrong too.

[Fernando 6,743]

That's life. The same thing happened when Pochettino was appointed at Southampton. It's always nice when a man proves the masses wrong.

With all this Hiddink talk, I hope he proves me wrong too.

That's what we need, a young blood to dazzle us and give us hope.

Hiddink is not that but there's nothing that can be done till the summer.

Hopefully we can do alright.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

That's life. The same thing happened when Pochettino was appointed at Southampton. It's always nice when a man proves the masses wrong.

With all this Hiddink talk, I hope he proves me wrong too.

With Ranieri it was quite obvious that Pearson just wasn't right, continuing the trend of failing English managers.

Hiddink's lucky if you think about it, he doesn't have to commit to any longer than he's signed up for. He'll have 'new manager syndrome' kick in at just the right time and could inspire something great. He's going to to have to win over this team though, from his last tenure only Terry & Ivanovic remain.

He seemed to 'fix' Drogba in 2009 and now maybe he'll have the same effect on Costa.

[bellion 170]

I've said it earlier but this is worse than the Rafa hiring in signalling that we as a support mean nothing and that the club is basically Roman's toy to do with as he wish. I say that as someone who has a lot of affinity for the guy and love to see him enjoying the match, but he is not a football guy and he's not really a Chelsea guy either. He's not 'one of us'.

And for the first time I actually don't think he's worthy of the CPO giving up their stake in the club. Never thought I'd say that but right now I am struggling to like this club. At least with the CPO still holding a stake then I know there's something there that I recognise as being Chelsea, but the club itself seems to be so disconnected with the support that it's untrue.

Emenalo always strikes me as a chancer and fair play to him. He's got the ear of a billionaire based on not very much but I don't trust him. Same goes for Marina who I did like, but she absolutely butchered that Stones deal to the point you wonder if she's anything more than a glorified secretary in over her head. Buck and Tenebaum....no clue. At least with Bates you knew where you stood because he unashamedly spouted it whether you wanted him to or not. We've never really heard Roman speak and now he sends out Emenalo to piss everyone off.

He's right, the club is in trouble. He just doesn't realise that he's part of the problem.

Accusing Roman of not being "one of us". No other Football chairman has invested so much of their time and money. Get over it. Mourinho's gone for good.

[Fernando 6,743]

Accusing Roman of not being "one of us". No other Football chairman has invested so much of their time and money. Get over it. Mourinho's gone for good.

Yeah that's the lowest you can get.

Can never turn on Roman.

He is the man and that's that.

[Milan 17,997]

WTF?

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/35130496?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_match_of_the_day&ns_source=facebook&ns_linkname=sport

[Ossie the King 634]

Accusing Roman of not being "one of us". No other Football chairman has invested so much of their time and money. Get over it. Mourinho's gone for good.

Yeah that's the lowest you can get.

Can never turn on Roman.

He is the man and that's that.

The guy has invested a ton of money and seems willing to do more and for that I am grateful.

But if you think he's a lifelong fan like us then you're deluding yourself. If you're looking for a lifelong fan who put their money into the club they supported then look at the names of our stands....here's a clue, he's name wasn't East, West or Shed.

Roman has done amazing things for this club, and he seems to enjoy owning the club but I think we have to be realistic.

[Footballover 222]

This year I realised one important thing - we will never conquer the world with Jose Mourinho. In order to be the best there is we have do be a dominant side, we can't rely on Jose's counter attacking / defensive tactics and modern football will agree with me. Ten years ago teams just didn't know how to handle it, nowdays it seems we don't know either.

In this second Mourinho spell all I hoped for is that he will be able to transform us to this kind of team, a team that plays a fluent, attacking and entertaining football, a team that dominates each opposition and a team that its home is no less than a fortress. It really looked like we were going the right way at first, 2013/14 was a rebuilding season and we progressed as the season went. We reached our peak in the middle of 2014/15 and in this point I thought we were on the right track to the very top of world football... But the critics were right, the speculations aboud Mou's second and third seasons turned out to be true and who knows, maybe he could of changed things if he had been given the time, but I don't think any club in any situation similar to ours would have kept him. Nothing can justify our situation and even if the manager is not completely at fault, it is absolutely clear that he is no martyr.

Maybe all of this is for the best, maybe we can finally let go of the Jose Mourinho cloud that hung over this club for the past decade. Every manager that came here tried to justify the fact that Mourinho was sacked in 2007, maybe his second coming and PL trophy are a closure for him in the history of this club.

I can't be happy with letting him go, he is a legend in this club and always will be remembered as such. I wish him all the best in the future and hope he knows how much the Chelsea fans love him. I won't celebrate it and I won't cry, what needed to be done is done now, c'est la vie, Jose Mourinho - the special one.

[Fernando 6,743]

Roman Abramovich had to sack Jose Mourinho, says Jamie Carragher

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/29327/10102776/roman-abramovich-had-to-sack-jose-mourinho-says-jamie-carragher

Pretty much what I believe as well. No other option here but to sack the manager then sack the entire team.

No one who runs a modern club would do otherwise.

[bellion 170]

The guy has invested a ton of money and seems willing to do more and for that I am grateful.

But if you think he's a lifelong fan like us then you're deluding yourself. If you're looking for a lifelong fan who put their money into the club they supported then look at the names of our stands....here's a clue, he's name wasn't East, West or Shed.

Roman has done amazing things for this club, and he seems to enjoy owning the club but I think we have to be realistic.

If being one of us means being a lifelong fan, Mourinho wouldn't qualify either.

In fact, it's Roman who has been at the club longer than Mourinho.

Using personal biasness to determine who is a real fan and who isn't smacks of the very delusion and lack of realism that you are pointing out.

[Special Juan 28,865]

SSN reporting Hiddink is in a hotel in talks with officials.....

[Stats 7,230]

Form is temporary Class is permanent.

The way some of our fans treat our legend with no respect like this proof that We may deserve no Class.

And anyone that think he wasn't our legend was totally should disgrace yourself.

The way some fans treat Hazard is disgusting as well. Hazard's performances have been poor but this is a player who was heads and shoulders above everyone in the league last season and rightfully so, won the POTY award and several other individuals honours too from club and non-club related matters. The 'form is temporary, class is permanent' concept should be really applied to Hazard. Instead of people supporting him and hoping he gets back to his best, which I hope he does, I have seen several people say if he and co start performing, it shows that they have no class etc, were not playing for Jose. I would like to see people get behind Hazard. Because it has been a difficult few months for him so far after an amazing season and some of the comments I have seen on Hazard has been disgusting.

I think people need to realise that if we are going to progress this season and beyond that, keeping Hazard will actually be pivotal.

As for anyone stating Jose was not a legend, I think you came to that idea on your own. I have not seen one person say that on here. I think he is a legend and I appreciate what he has done for us and he will always remain a true Chelsea legend but was it right for him to go? I say yes. I think everyone else who wanted Mourinho to go is in the same camp. We all know he is a Chelsea legend but now the decision has been made to move on which I beleive is the right one.

[Special Juan 28,865]

Hiddink arriving at the airport.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3365554/Chelsea-captain-John-Terry-posts-emotional-Thank-doesn-t-message-Jose-Mourinho-stars-look-glum-arrive-training.html

[Ossie the King 634]

If being one of us means being a lifelong fan, Mourinho wouldn't qualify either.

In fact, it's Roman who has been at the club longer than Mourinho.

Using personal biasness to determine who is a real fan and who isn't smacks of the very delusion and lack of realism that you are pointing out.

Mourinho developed a relationship with the fans which is why we sung his name relentlessly. His personality both reverberated and informed the existing personality of the Chelsea support. Roman simply hasn't done that, nor has he made any attempts to engage with the fans. In fact the one time he needed to do that in 2011, he tried to steamroller the very fans who SAVED this club 30 years ago.

That stuff actually matters on a personal level, whether you accept it or not.

The way some fans treat Hazard is disgusting as well. Hazard's performances have been poor but this is a player who was heads and shoulders above everyone in the league last season and rightfully so, won the POTY award and several other individuals honours too from club and non-club related matters. The 'form is temporary, class is permanent' concept should be really applied to Hazard. Instead of people supporting him and hoping he gets back to his best, which I hope he does, I have seen several people say if he and co start performing, it shows that they have no class etc, were not playing for Jose. I would like to see people get behind Hazard. Because it has been a difficult few months for him so far after an amazing season and some of the comments I have seen on Hazard has been disgusting.

How about we apply that concept to both parties? And to Matic, Cesc, Costa et al?

I think people need to realise that if we are going to progress this season and beyond that, keeping Hazard will actually be pivotal.

As for anyone stating Jose was not a legend, I think you came to that idea on your own. I have not seen one person say that on here. I think he is a legend and I appreciate what he has done for us and he will always remain a true Chelsea legend but was it right for him to go? I say yes. I think everyone else who wanted Mourinho to go is in the same camp. We all know he is a Chelsea legend but now the decision has been made to move on which I beleive is the right one.

That camp obviously has to believe that because they've ultimately got what they want but I think there's a hardcore of support who feel betrayed. They put their voices firmly behind Jose every matchday (and I've seen them catch some stick on here for that which is laughable) and the club have disregarded that.

I think betrayal is perhaps the best word for the way a lot of fans are feeling and there's a gradual realisation that the club that they once had has disappeared. The problem is that a lot of those fans are also amongst the CPO and there will be a reaction when the club comes to them.

Out of interest, if you're a CPO member what is your feeling on the matter?