The Mourinho Thread

[kmk108 1,186]

I hate people that can't see the bigger picture. This isn't Mourinho FC, it's Chelsea FC.

For all the talk of Mourinho being the best manager and having the best record at Chelsea, he keeps on failing in the UCL, season after season.

He has two Champions League titles. Only Ancelotti and Paisley have more than him in the entire history of the tournament.

[lucio 5,418]

You are guys acting like the media, putting so much importance on every single game. Why can't Jose have a bad season like Klopp had last season?

Let's do a simple math and say missing the CL is failure. He's had 12 full seasons and the current one will be his 13th.

Let's assume he will finish the season and won't make top 4. That's a failure rate of 1/13= 7.7%. I'd hire a manager with a success rate of 92.3% any day.

Or maybe we should look at the 12 league games this season. He's never had a run of games like this before in his career.

He's had 12 seasons, that are 10 * 38 games + 2* 34 (Portuguese league) = 448.

12 games + 448 are 460 in total. 12/460 games = in 2.6% of his league career he's having such a bad run. Not that bad, is it?

Based on what do you think he can't make us win again? Based on history, based on pure speculating, or based on your hate towards him?

The manner in which , he is having a bad season , is detrimental to the entire club , and is damaging us long term

[Blue Colored Sky 1,807]

What has format to do with manager adoptation? Atm everyone is playing in same system of CL. Some managers have done better some worse. But all are in same situation. Guardiola couldnt adopt to the situation in past two years of CL semis. Its my opinion that system is wrong, but fact is that all managers play in same system and some did better while some didnt. Guardiola was indeed naive because he didnt change tactics thinking real madrid was beatable like Frankfurt and Nurnberg and similar clubs Pep played week in week out in buli.

So you don't blame him that he didn't win CL with Bayern ? Because that's what I fail to understand from you as I think blaming him for losing in the semis is directly blaming him for not winning Champions League and you're saying that whole format of CL is wrong and unfair. After all it was only 4 games he played against them and you're blaming him for failing in those 4 games in unfair competition (when injuries plays a big part which hit them sorely) ?

[OhForAGreavsie 6,128]

isn't it only the quality, of the top PL teams that has declined? the midtable and lower teams are better than ever, and all can bring in good players.

It certainly should be improving over the next four years. I'd like to see our mid-group sides start to demonstrate their growing strength by making a better showing in the Europa League. Sadly it will always be worth far more to them to simply avoid relegation than to win that competition, even when its golden ticket to the Champion's League is taken into account.

[stroey 2,525]

He has two Champions League titles. Only Ancelotti and Paisley have more than him in the entire history of the tournament.

don't forget 6 more semi finals where in he lost 2 on penalty shoot outs, and 1 because of the Liverpool ghost goal.

[Jase 43,479]

Rather than talking to the media, he should be fighting tooth and nail on the pitch and producing assists for Costa.

Credit to the fella though. He has always been consistent...off the pitch. Always speaks well in press conferences, interviews etc but never really backs it up with his performances.

[Blue Colored Sky 1,807]

About discussing PL and CL ...

Lol. Top clubs try for years how to create breakaway European league. There's a lot of noise and rumours that such league will come to fruition eventually and we're even discussing which thing is better ?

Owner of this club said that Champions League is his best football memory, our manager is saying every time that his best memory was winning Champions League with Inter. Players are attracted by the Champions League and choose clubs based on that. Our best player joined here because we could offer him that. Maybe in England it's a discussion, after all English clubs were banned from European competitions for 5 years after Heysel tragedy but in Europe like 99% desired, holy grail goal for fans and players alike is the Champions League.

[Leif 6,006]

Lets use simple maths.

Which football manager has won more cups than Mourinho during the last 12 years?

Which manager tested himself in the 3 big countries?

Name me one, please!

Lets use simple maths.

Which solo artist has sold more tunez than Justin Beebz during the past couple years?

Which artist tested himself in Canada, America, and then the world.....?

Evidently since high numbers >>> high quality, Justin Bieber should be the one we all want dominating our playlists.

who cares how many cups Jose has, he's boring as fuck

[Rhino's Skin 972]

About discussing PL and CL ...

Lol. Top clubs try for years how to create breakaway European league. There's a lot of noise and rumours that such league will come to fruition eventually and we're even discussing which thing is better ?

Owner of this club said that Champions League is his best football memory, our manager is saying every time that his best memory was winning Champions League with Inter. Players are attracted by the Champions League and choose clubs based on that. Our best player joined here because we could offer him that. Maybe in England it's a discussion, after all English clubs were banned from European competitions for 5 years after Heysel tragedy but in Europe like 99% desired, holy grail goal for fans and players alike is the Champions League.

99% eh....lol.

Most countries have to win their league or finish top 2 just to even qualify for the CL.

Winning their league is more important before thinking about CL.

Most clubs realistically cannot win CL so your view that 99% of fans think their club winning CL is the holy grail is totally unrealistic.

However, as I pointed out earlier...I agree with you about Euro league and that could be the future

[Essien19 1,415]

I think this is distorted because of the teams he managed. They had money to spent.

Look at crappy Mancini how he did with the Inter before Mourinho got there and then City.

Now Pellegrini that never won much of anything win trophies with City.

You need to look at context as well my friend.

Money is important;

almost everyone needs it and lots of clubs have money, but the question remains:

On whom do they spend it on?

You must put brain on it; an idea has to be developed, money alone will get you nowhere.

It's a sad example, but because of the money the Premier-League clubs should do much better in Europa, especially in the Europa League.

Spanish clubs use their brain and dominate the Europa League, unbelievable.

I don't like Roberto Mancini, but you have to give the man some credit!

1 Supercoppa

Coppa Italian twice

3 times in a row the Italian Championship (Ferguson did it in a tough league, who else?)

1 FA Cup

1 Championship (won the battle against Ferguson, who never ever wanted that to happen)

For me that's very impressive! He is far away from being a crappy manager!

Achieving those things is not that easy, a lot of skill is required!

But he ain't word class, i give you that. Luckily, we don't have to make a binary choice!

Pellegrini won the Championship with Manchester City, because he is also a good manager.

If money is the only thing needed to win trophies, why is Manchester United doing jack shit with one of the most expensive squads in the league's history?

What happened in Madrid during the past 13 years?

Lot's of years they crashed out early in the UCL, but they almost always bought in some very expensive players.

PSG are trying everything they can to win the UCL, but until now they haven't done it yet.

Titles bring the club in the spotlight, but establishing an identity is similar important.

Mourinho doesn't only bring in titles, he does far more.

I have seen Chelsea play a lot and sometimes i take a look at other teams, but cross your heart:

Chelsea 2004/2005 and Chelsea 2014/2015 were one of the best teams in the history of the club.

Apart from all the glory and the expensive players, he made it work more than once.

That's very impressive and at the end of the day should count for something.

[Essien19 1,415]

Lets use simple maths.

Which solo artist has sold more tunez than Justin Beebz during the past couple years?

Which artist tested himself in Canada, America, and then the world.....?

Evidently since high numbers >>> high quality, Justin Bieber should be the one we all want dominating our playlists.

who cares how many cups Jose has, he's boring as fuck

Bieber is successful, can't take that away.

But take a good look at his awards, has he won something that makes him compete with someone great like Adele?

I don't think so, the juries do have the some opinion, earning money doesn't make him a serious artist,

therefore he gets no significant trophies!

Serious cups are important, whatever you do, bringing the trophy home make most people happy.

All their hard work they have had to put in have been rewarded, for me there's no better feeling.

You are relevant, you are getting good results.

What's boring?

I think being a loser, being useless and minor, i don't want that and most of the football players and non football people don't like that either.

Currently, our style of play is shit, but it's not always been these way, which Chelsea manager played better football than Jose 2014?

[Atlas Lion 1,223]

Being champions of Europe yet not even being champions of your own country just doesn't fit with me personally.

[Blue Colored Sky 1,807]

99% eh....lol.

Most countries have to win their league or finish top 2 just to even qualify for the CL.

Winning their league is more important before thinking about CL.

Most clubs realistically cannot win CL so your view that 99% of fans think their club winning CL is the holy grail is totally unrealistic.

However, as I pointed out earlier...I agree with you about Euro league and that could be the future

I'm saying based on what I read about Belarussian, Polish, Czech, Ukrainian Bulgarian etc. clubs. Their owners want to get to the Champions League. That's their ultimate goal. Winning the league on the occasion is a platform for that.

Every club measures themself with what they can do. I would never say that just winning the league is a failure, no it's a success. Winning the league is a standard goal to achieve. Though ultimate goal, roof of the club is the Champions League. For some it's just a participation and for some try to win it. That's the limit.

About breakaway European League I think we're getting closer. There will be whole reconstruction needed. It's yet another thing in Europe when nations are united, boundaries diminished. Though I think 10 years from now realistically speaking.

[OhForAGreavsie 6,128]

Lets use simple maths.

Which solo artist has sold more tunez than Justin Beebz during the past couple years?

Which artist tested himself in Canada, America, and then the world.....?

Evidently since high numbers >>> high quality, Justin Bieber should be the one we all want dominating our playlists.

who cares how many cups Jose has, he's boring as fuck

Regardless of whether he's good or not in your opinion, Bieber sells music because he's popular.

Regardless of whether or not he's popular with you, Jose wins trophies because he's good.

[Leif 6,006]

Regardless of whether he's good or not in your opinion, Bieber sells music because he's popular.

Regardless of whether or not he's popular with you, Jose wins trophies because he's good.

Ok that could be true.

I was more-so trying to make the point though that just because you're considered to be on top, or the 'best' by some, doesn't mean that you produce something of high quality, nor does it mean you're entertaining. It just means the right people talk about you, or you're living off of glory years like in this instance.

I ask this.

Does Jose produce high quality?

Do Jose's teams entertain?

(In this decade, not the last decade.)

And that's why i make the Bieber comparison. Both are considered to be top-tier in their fields, but neither of them have done anything innovative, awe-inspiring, inspiring in general actually, in a very long time.

They're celebrities, and their names are bigger than their results.

Bieber isn't a great singer, or songwriter, and Jose is now a greater celebrity than manager.

It's like having a plain t shirt from Gucci that costs £400 (Jose) and thinking it's better just because of the label/price factors. Well guess what. Gucci is outdated now (Jose), and if you opened your eyes you'd find just as good a t shirt in the back of Asda somewhere that does everything you need it to do, without the pretentious label that comes with.

[Adnane 1,101]

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[Adnane 1,101]

For all the talk of Mourinho being the best manager and having the best record at Chelsea, he keeps on failing in the UCL, season after season.

:lol: :lol:

Such posts can't be serious guys, or do they ? :lol:

[CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625]

I hate people that can't see the bigger picture. This isn't Mourinho FC, it's Chelsea FC.

For all the talk of Mourinho being the best manager and having the best record at Chelsea, he keeps on failing in the UCL, season after season.

Semi final 2004 - knocked out by a ghost goal. 2014 - knocked out by an atleti team that won their league that year. Many other times we have been in the QFs under Jose. Your point is irrelevant.

[kmk108 1,186]

Ok that could be true.

I was more-so trying to make the point though that just because you're considered to be on top, or the 'best' by some, doesn't mean that you produce something of high quality, nor does it mean you're entertaining. It just means the right people talk about you, or you're living off of glory years like in this instance.

I ask this.

Does Jose produce high quality?

Do Jose's teams entertain?

(In this decade, not the last decade.)

And that's why i make the Bieber comparison. Both are considered to be top-tier in their fields, but neither of them have done anything innovative, awe-inspiring, inspiring in general actually, in a very long time.

They're celebrities, and their names are bigger than their results.

Bieber isn't a great singer, or songwriter, and Jose is now a greater celebrity than manager.

It's like having a plain t shirt from Gucci that costs £400 (Jose) and thinking it's better just because of the label/price factors. Well guess what. Gucci is outdated now (Jose), and if you opened your eyes you'd find just as good a t shirt in the back of Asda somewhere that does everything you need it to do, without the pretentious label that comes with.

I don't know where you live, so I don't know about your music exposure, but in the US, I'd say Bieber is more "popular" now than he was in the past. When he first became popular, he was adored by teenage girls and loathed by pretty much everyone else. Fan girls went crazy and people loved to make fun of him. but these days, his music is appealing to more people and I see less Bieber hate.

[Rhino's Skin 972]

Who is this Justin Bieber?...Can Mourinho sign him in January if he is that good? ;-)