The Mourinho Thread

[LukakutoStamford 779]

Sacking Jose? Well, keep dreaming tonight. If rather sell the players who are under performing than see Jose leaving. As the guy said on video we can sacrifice this season to keep Mourinho.

Well I hope you are willing to sacrifice two because nobody of note is coming to Chelsea when they are in the championship

[Starman60 1,343]

Some years ago Nottingham Forest won the European Cup with Brian Clough and set records during his reign, and he was as iconic a manager as Jose Mourinho. Forest got into a bad run, but the board at Forest stuck with the manager who brought them the world and made them Champions..........They got relegated and have never got back........Just saying

[DYC. 7,542]

Well, if the players start playing well as soon as Mourinho is gone then they know that in future they can just down tools when they don't like the manager to get rid of him...I guess we'll see.

New managers can cause a spark though. I wouldn't necessarily link it to consciously turning it up because they got rid of the previous manager. Most of the time it's just the players trying to prove themselves and claim a spot under the new manager. Or simply a welcome freshness in terms of training, playing style and tactics. I don't think an entire group of players can be that diabolical.

I still say it's mostly linked to the physical shape. And then it got so bad it affected the mental shape. I don't buy the motivation crap. Not after one measly title. Besides, Courtois, Ivanovic, Terry, Cesc, Matic, Hazard and Costa (only mentioning starters) won a title(s) before. They, and others, have won cup competitions as well.

This is very much like Dortmund last season. They too reached a point of no return. New manager Tuchel is playing with the same team for the most part though, but he dropped a couple of underperforming players, made some changes to the roles of certain players and changed Dortmund's style in general. He didn't even have to go out and buy top players or get rid of players 'who don't care'. This is the best Dortmund team since 12/13.

It may look like it right now, but these players haven't forgotten how to play football.

[Rhino's Skin 972]

Well I hope you are willing to sacrifice two because nobody of note is coming to Chelsea when they are in the championship

especially not you I take ?

;-)

[petre.ispirescu 4,928]

If that's a wave of goodbye then I'm hoping Roman and Guardiola have entered in their 7th hour of conversation already.

[Liquidator 5,176]

To make a case for his resignation I'd like to ask when people think he will turn this around. Before the West Brom game on Saturday 23 August Mourinho said that he had been 'working harder than ever before' to 'turn things around'. September and October have passed since and can anyone honestly tell me we look better now and there has been a noticeable improvement? I can't. If anything we look worse. 2 shots on target today and one was a pot shot from 40 yards. Counter attacking at home. It was absolutely pathetic. What cause is there for optimism? Are things just going to magically click into place because we are not slowly turning a corner in any way. These are not high calibre teams we are playing generally- Liverpool, Arsenal and Man City are the only teams we have played who are likely to finish top 6.

I came to the end of my tether with him at the West Ham game to be honest. If people want to keep telling me 'It's Jose- he's the best man for the job' then what does someone worse for the job look like? He's 52 years old. He's been in football a while, especially first team management. His assistant manager has already been sent off. Why then does he think it's a good idea to try to enter the referee's dressing room to berate him about decisions when his team is 1-0 down? That isn't 'passion for the club' (and quite frankly he isn't 'one of us' or whatever the cheesy bollocks was that he came out with) that's pure stupidity. He left his team out to dry in the second half as a result. That's cowardly.

Is it a good idea too to keep moaning about what Wenger gets to say and he doesn't or how biased the refs are? Its childish. Are the consequent fines and FA hearings and touchline bans and negative press the answer or would a cool head be better? Focus on the team and not childish arguments because the team needs your attention.

His decisions this season are baffling too. Can anyone tell me what he sees in Falcao? What a kick in the teeth to Loic Remy that must be who bailed Jose out midweek (albeit temporarily but that isn't the point) to be stuck on the bench when a crocked Falcao who makes Torres look like Lewandowski is getting the nod over him. Looking to the bench today straight after we conceded the second goal was laughable. The second the goal was scored he got Falcao in from his warm up and putting his match shirt on. 30 seconds later he's chucked on. It was like watching a Sunday league manager. From the kickoff it seemed Falcao didn't know where exactly he should be and the shape of the entire team fell to pieces. We rushed absolutely everything and consequently couldn't keep the ball. It was like we'd been challenged to score in 30 seconds and I couldn't tell you what formation we were playing. Formation is something I often struggled to decipher under a Mourinho team that needs to score. It was the same against Sunderland (2013/14), Crystal Palace this season and today for example. It becomes a big every man for himself panic which seems to often result in us being hit on the counter attack. This leads me onto my final complaint: Kenedy. When he came on he was far brighter than Eden not arsed because I can fuck off to Madrid in the Summer Hazard but when we took Azpilicueta off he gets shunted to left back. Kenedy is an attacking player, 19 years old, new to England and both on his debut against Crystal Palace and today he is played totally out of position. Would we play Hazard, Willian, Schurrle, Salah or Remy as a full back? No. Sounds silly. Well they are also attacking midfielders/ forwards. So why Kenedy? He got no help from Fabregas defensively when he came on and was expected to help in attack too. Far too much was expected of him.

I love Jose for all he has done for the club but I just don't see how he can possibly turn this around. As much as I would like him to be able to I just don't see light at the end of this tunnel. Do we wait until January and allow him to spend money? You could argue that quality players don't become available in January. We'd have to see out November and December with this clearly quite disjointed squad which shows no signs of turning things around. If this form continues for another 2 months there is a very real danger that we:

a) Won't qualify from our Champions League group

Could potentially find ourselves in the Europa League with a pile up of games in faraway corners of Europe

c) Will struggle to make top 8 in the league

No Champions League football would be a disaster for this club for next season. We can't improve if we can't sign high calibre players because they will move elsewhere to a team that guarantees European football. See Man United for reference. With the talent this club has at it's disposal Mourinho should be ashamed to say 'It is a very competitive league so I cannot guarantee Champions League football.' Would the Jose of 2006 have said that? That's a get out. On paper our squad is top 4 in the league no doubt. He can't seriously tell us it is normal for Liverpool to finish above us with Joe Allen and Emre Can in midfield because it is 'a competitive league'. Pathetic. If he finishes outside the top 4 with this squad at his disposal he has failed. No ifs or buts.

13 major honours in the 12 years since Abramovich arrived. Manchester United have 10. Long-lasting managers are not always answer

[the wes 7,212]

I love mourinho for everything he did for the club but I can't see him get us out this huge hole I think the players let us down more than mourinho

[the wes 7,212]

Player power is stronger than a manager if the players don't want to play for u your fucked as a manager

[the wes 7,212]

a) Won't qualify from our Champions League group

Could potentially find ourselves in the Europa League with a pile up of games in faraway corners of Europe

c) Will struggle to make top 8 in the league

No Champions League football

why you thinking that way think positive remember avb has a manager of chelsea what happen after he leave??

[Liquidator 5,176]

REALLY? Why? It's the end of the world for God sake. What happened when we failed in group stage in 2012/13. Nothing. Even ManU failed. I still think he is the right man because he is one of us, he is not just a coach but he is a fan of this club.

In the age of financial fair play we will miss out on important money to buy high calibre players to replace the shit we already have. Champions League football is a huge draw for players. Hazard would not have signed for us had we not won it in 2012, what made Willian turn down Spurs for us? Part of what makes a 'big club' is being competitive in Europe. How many players say in their first interviews at big clubs how excited they are to be able to play in Europe? What happened when we failed in the group stage of 2012/13 is that we *somehow* managed to finish high enough in the table (3rd I think?) to qualify for the Champions League for 2013/14 and were therefore still able to attract players.

Please expand on your point that he is ''one of us''. I'm not quite sure what he's said to earn that title with the exception of coming out with it in his first Press conference back here.

[the wes 7,212]

In the age of financial fair play we will miss out on important money to buy high calibre players to replace the shit we already have. Champions League football is a huge draw for players.

man utd signed di Maria with no champions league football ??

[BlueStorm1003 539]

man utd signed di Maria with no champions league football ??

Hate to say this but those guys have a bigger name than us. I believe that´s one of the reasons they can interest big players regardless.

[the wes 7,212]

Hate to say this but those guys have a bigger name than us. I believe that´s one of the reasons they can interest big players regardless.

footballers nowadays don't care about champions league football all they care about is huge pay cheque

[Last Sicarius 610]

If we wont to paid Pogba his huge week's so we will paid it to another player? I don't think so. And looking far away player want to expose his talent if he is offensive player but in our club right now, we just want to score one and def it for end. simple.

tbh one of reason why Roman didnt sack jose is that he just wont to pay 30mln for sack him.

[11Drogba 2,000]

He knows something that he was unsure of a week ago, that's why he was calmer after the game. It might be related to his father but last week Alex Texeira said that we are after him. I think the board told him that we will be active in January.

[Henrique 9,133]

There's still Sunday and Monday.

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/32461/10051036/jose-mourinhos-job-at-chelsea-not-under-threat

Thats just unbeliveable if true. "Not under threat". If thats really the case, the club is set to follow Arsenal path, because only in a club that lost any kind of ambition the job's manager won't even be "under threat" in such circunstances.

[Henrique 9,133]

He knows something that he was unsure of a week ago, that's why he was calmer after the game. It might be related to his father but last week Alex Texeira said that we are after him. I think the board told him that we will be active in January.

Not sure what he know, but what I know is: if the team is relying on Alex Teixeira to save the season, then its already over.

[11Drogba 2,000]

Not sure what he know, but what I know is: if the team is relying on Alex Teixeira to save the season, then its already over.

I think there will be more than one signing.

[Essien19 1,415]

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/32461/10051036/jose-mourinhos-job-at-chelsea-not-under-threat

Thats just unbeliveable if true. "Not under threat". If thats really the case, the club is set to follow Arsenal path, because only in a club that lost any kind of ambition the job's manager won't even be "under threat" in such circunstances.

You missed one word not under "immediate" threat, i think the meaning is different.

Otherwise i don't want him gone, so i'm quite happy about the news.

Cheers.

[Stats 7,230]

I've been in the air all day so I couldn't get a chance to watch this game live. What amazes me, (though not surprises me) is Mourinho had the temerity to put in Falcao, (his agent's client) instead of Remy, even after Remy scored the goal that got us back in it vs Stoke City and even after how diabolical Falcao has been. Any other manager out there would have gone with the hot hand today, not Mourinho.

This just goes to show what a poor man manager Mourinho has become. The partiality he shows to certain players is not worthy of a Chelsea manager. He should be sacked just on this recurring theme alone. And those fans at The Bridge that were chanting his name, despite all Mourinho's transgressions this season, are nothing short of an embarrassment. Open your eyes! Mourinho knows he doesn't have what it takes to turn it around so he doesn't give a flying fuck anymore. He's only stalling for his paycheck. If he had any decency, he'll resign and forfeit money for the club he claims to love.

This. Absolutely ridiculous. Falcao just looks clueless when he comes on but Mourinho will not work on merit. Remy was an excellent impact player for us last season and is better than Falcao, yet he has isolated Remy on the bench so much times to bring on a finished striker like Falcao and it always backfires. He just has made so much fucked up decisions and he has lost it. I struggle to believe he is the only manager to get us out of this current mess.

Gladbach ex-manager guided them to 3rd spot last season, which meant they qualified for UCL football automatically. Excellent achievement, however this season, like Mourinho the team got of to an awful start losing their first 6 games in the league, including getting battered in their first UCL opener against Sevilla 3-0. Despite what the manager had done before in the previous season, the team had totally lost all form in the opening games of this season and the Gladbach board realised the situation was not going to change. What do they do? Sack the manager and higher an interim manager within the club who was mangaging the U23 team to take over the first team.

Since taking over the Gladbach interim manager has taken control of 9 games. 6 league wins in a row which included beating the likes of Wolfsburg and Schalke convincingly. 1 excellent cup win away to Schalke. An excellent point away to Juventus and their loss was against Man City in the UCL where they were very unfortunate. So he has taken charge of all league games and won every single one.

It just shows that you don't need a manager with whole long experience to take over. Sometimes it can be someone within the club who has been here for a while and can build up a strong rapport with the players. Like Favre at Gladbach, the players have lost confidence in Mourinho and they need someone who can give them a kick up the backside and give them new ideas. I would take a manager with experience as first option but right now I would even take someone like Steve Holland till the end of the season until we get a long term manager in. Someone who has been here for a few years and knows the squad well.

Gadbach have a much inferior squad to us and yet with this new interim manager have managed to do wonders. If they can do that with inferior players, there is no reason we cannot with better players move in a better direction under a new coach. Moruinho has lost the dressing room, does not have a clue of how to take the team forward and we need an interim to just give the boys the lift. These players have not turned average overnight.