The Mourinho Thread

[didierforever 7,349]

totally irrellevant as had KdB grown a pair and stayed (Mourinho didnt want him to go) he would have more likely ended up proving himself good enough to force his way into a more permanent slot. Mourinho likes to challenge players .....KdB didnt like being challenged and thought he was good enough there and then but actually he still needed time to develop...which is why Wolfsburg was a good move in hindsight

or maybe he needed to be trusted the way oscar was trusted by jose. i mean what challenges did oscar have to face?

without any test/challenge oscar was named our no.1 no.10 ahead of mata and kdb, 2 players who are way better than him. i can only guess the kind of message that would send out to those players "i want oscar and i am sticking with him, no matter what you do. so shove it up your asses".

sorry, but it cant always be the other person's fault.

it was lukaku's fault, it was KDB's fault, it was mata's fault, it was bertrand's fault, it was luis's fault.

maybe the fault is with JOSE, not with the rest of the world.

[didierforever 7,349]

who gives a toss about friendlies

it was not a friendly when a silverware was on the line. it was not a friendly when arsenal was involved, it only became a friendly, right after we lost. and dont get me wrong, i said the same exact words after the loss to ease the hurt of the loss "meh, just a friendly".

[Rhino's Skin 972]

or maybe he needed to be trusted the way oscar was trusted by jose. i mean what challenges did oscar have to face?

without any test/challenge oscar was named our no.1 no.10 ahead of mata and kdb, 2 players who are way better than him. i can only guess the kind of message that would send out to those players "i want oscar and i am sticking with him, no matter what you do. so shove it up your asses".

sorry, but it cant always be the other person's fault.

it was lukaku's fault, it was KDB's fault, it was mata's fault, it was bertrand's fault, it was luis's fault.

maybe the fault is with JOSE, not with the rest of the world.

mourinho has stated many times that he thought KdB was a very talented kid and wanted to keep him, however he as always stated that when a player wants to go because he is unhappy at the way things are going..he will always let them.

Lukaku could have stayed and learnt off Drogba and would have had loads of chances that season due to injuries and suspension.....but yet another player who wanted a guaranteed starting spot.

The only player I have seen Mourinho try to keep is Cech

[Rhino's Skin 972]

it was not a friendly when a silverware was on the line. it was not a friendly when arsenal was involved, it only became a friendly, right after we lost. and dont get me wrong, i said the same exact words after the loss to ease the hurt of the loss "meh, just a friendly".

well you do not know what you are talking about because a lot of regular match goers dont bother with it and it struggles to sell out even when it goes to general sale.

Managers like to build it up but we all know its played at about 70%

The FA deem it as a friendly match as you are allowed up to 6 subs during the match...we made 4.

Charity shield always has been a friendly, always will be unless you are like Arsenal and one or two other clubs who love winning irrelevant pre season tournys.

Imagine if we had won the USA thing ...does that count as well?

[didierforever 7,349]

mourinho has stated many times that he thought KdB was a very talented kid and wanted to keep him, however he as always stated that when a player wants to go because he is unhappy at the way things are going..he will always let them.

Lukaku could have stayed and learnt off Drogba and would have had loads of chances that season due to injuries and suspension.....but yet another player who wanted a guaranteed starting spot.

The only player I have seen Mourinho try to keep is Cech

players are unhappy when they know that they are better than another or can do better than another but is not getting the chance to prove it. why would someone like mikel be unhappy or remy be unhappy or papy be unhappy. keep the checks coming, they will happy keep taking them

kdb was not given a chance. and then he was complately frozen out for 4 months. it was a world cup year and obviously every player wants to play. that is where man-management comes to play. remember when SAF stopped CR from leaving a year earlier. sometimes you have to do whats right for the club. also, you cant have one set of rules for one group of players and another for another.

lukaku was never coming back. and when i say "coming back", i mean it literally. we had ba and torres. and instead of giving lukaku a chance, jose goes and purchases a 33 year old playing in the russian league, etoo. and then, he starts schurrle ahead of lukaku at OT as a ST. another case of poor man-management. some players like zouma are happy to wait for there chances, others want things instantaneously. if we had costa/rooney in 13/14 i am sure lukaku would not i have mind staying and playing second fiddle. but a 2nd/3rd/4th fiddle to a torres and a 33 year old past it etoo and andre schurrle, nope. he made the right decision for his career. he is 22, banging them in for fun for everton while being the first striker. he is improving by the game and sooner rather than later, a big club, is going to buy him. lets hope its not a PL club. would be such a KDB-esque, kick in the backside.

[Gilvorak 3,734]

Imagine trying to defend Jose's decision to sell KDB. We didn't need to buy both Willian and Schurrle that summer. He's a short-term manager deal with it.

[Fulham Broadway 17,810]

since when?....we even to struggle to sell out allocation for it because many ST holders cant be bothered. Shows how much regular support think of it as a trophy

I was devastated as a kid at Stamford Bridge losing to Everton 1970, Howard Kendall scored that day.

2000 it was a massive triumph, but now its lost its lustre. Sooooo its a huge bit of silverware if we win, but otherwise a meaningless friendly...

I was being lighthearted btw -

[didierforever 7,349]

well you do not know what you are talking about because a lot of regular match goers dont bother with it and it struggles to sell out even when it goes to general sale.

Managers like to build it up but we all know its played at about 70%

The FA deem it as a friendly match as you are allowed up to 6 subs during the match...we made 4.

Charity shield always has been a friendly, always will be unless you are like Arsenal and one or two other clubs who love winning irrelevant pre season tournys.

Imagine if we had won the USA thing ...does that count as well?

no, the usa thing does not count but the charity shield counts as a trophy, does not. as does super cup or super copa etc etc.

i am miles away from going to the match, but for me, it was a massive thing, simply cos arsenal was involved. and the general sentiment on this forum was that it was a massive thing. hence why i said what i said.

[Spike 12,049]

The Community Shield is a farce and I haven't watched one in about 5 years.

[Rhino's Skin 972]

no, the usa thing does not count but the charity shield counts as a trophy, does not. as does super cup or super copa etc etc.

i am miles away from going to the match, but for me, it was a massive thing, simply cos arsenal was involved. and the general sentiment on this forum was that it was a massive thing. hence why i said what i said.

well here in UK..its not regarded as a 'massive' thing. Officially ( The FA ) its a friendly and most supporters regard it as that.....had we been playing Villa instead of Arsenal, it wouldnt have made a difference.

[lucio 5,418]

KdB didnt get motm in any of the games he played with us.

He was ok v Hull but others put in better performances and he progressively got worse.

Rumours about his training ethics and his dad/ agent knocking on Mourinhos door all the time were rife.

As a young man he needed to grow up and learn more which he wasnt prepared to do at Chelsea....at Wolfsburg he became the big fish in a little pond which suited him whereas at Chelsea he could have grown into a big fish but there were other fish just as big to fight off.

Chelsea got an excellent price plus sell on fee for someone who didnt have the balls to fight.

At the time that was the correct decision for the club and for him which Mourinho sanctioned.

i don't think he should have been dropped after manchester united game.

even if the correct decision was to sell, not him and mata, without bringing in another 15 goal a season playmaker.

[supporter 3,088]

I understand it is difficult to see how Kevin De Bruyne is playing with Manchester City when he was in our squad, but I think sometimes some criticism against Jose are disproportionate seeing some things that Jose has gotten for us concerning our policy on signings.

It is true that Jose has made a mistake in some signing / selling like Kevin De Bruyne or Mata (although Mata is not being A TOP TOP player with United being really honest). But Jose has also had successes in our policy of signings with players like Kurt Zouma, who will be one of the best Centre-backs in the world for the next decade and was signed by Jose when he was a child. Zouma is a success.

Jose also recovered Matic (with the money received in exchange for Mata) and he is now one of the best defensive midfielders in the world. Matic is another success.

Courtois Come back with us last season and Jose opted for him instead of Peter Cech because Courtois is the future. If Jose just wanted to bet on "the old school" He could have sold Courtois to Real Madrid or Barcelona for 50 million and Peter Cech would be our goalkeeper. But Jose opted for Courtois thinking about the future. Courtois is also a success.

Eden Hazard was the best player in the Premier League last season and he has improved a lot thanks to Jose, and although now he is going through a bad time in his performance, but Jose has helped him to become a better player, and I am sure that thanks the "mind games" Eden Hazard will be best player at the end of the season. Jose Mourinho has helped to make him a better player. Hazard is also a success.

William was signed in the last minute of the transfer market thanks to a call from Jose and he is now one of the the best offensive midfielders. Willian is also a success.

Azpilicueta has become one of the best defenders in the world under the direction of Jose and has made him one of our most important players. Azpilicueta is another success.

I understand and realize that now everything seems sucks because our season is being a horrible nightmare, but our present can not cover our past and what Jose is doing with us.

I respect all opinions, but I also think that some criticisms sometimes are disproportionate.

And I hope that we can continue to have a similar performance like in the last week and gradually we can recover our actual performance.

Regards to ALL.

[Roquila 1,335]

Are u serious bro? U judging him for 13 games. What about cups he won with us. Chesea is in his DNA, he is one of us and the best for this team. In last 2 games we have seen a little progression, slowly we are getting there. It's not that Im his fanboy but let's be fair all the players were not on their level.

I am judging what can be judgeable. We played 13 games and we were shit in most of them. We've been shit since January though.

[nullabletype 987]

I am judging what can be judgeable. We played 13 games and we were shit in most of them. We've been shit since January though.

Right, let's sack him.

Who do you bring in?

[Muzchap 8,966]

Since January? Nah..we just play with different strategy and we won the tittle in May.

We have been shit since January - honestly our performances are on a downward spiral.

I won't keep repeating myself - but we are hopeless - we can either defend and get a draw or attack and lose!

We create fuck all from open play and rarely trouble the opposition

Our full backs never overlap and when they do its a waste of time

I agree though - who do you bring in? I just don't know anymore but our team is a shadow of the one that started the 14/15 season so brightly. Since the Spuds game we have regressed to amateur football it seems.

I agree that 'winning' is the ultimate yardstick - and I can tolerate for the most part the dull, boring play - but now we are not winning its no longer acceptable to me, as a fan.

People can say Jose has Chelsea in his DNA all they like - but if he gets sacked - he will still take the money, please let's not delude ourselves with 'loyalty' this and that - it does not exist in football. MOURINHO is an employee and he will act like one when he leaves and the next club he goes to will be in his DNA rinse and repeat.

[Stats 7,230]

Well not exactly but you can see a lot of negativity in this forum which wasn't before. As a admin you need to prevent that, all the old members are quitting slowly, I'm very connected to TC but we need to change a little bit. IMO

There is negativity due to how the team is performing. No one is threatening to go to Mourinho's house and assasinate him are they? Members are discussing their concerns about Mourinho and the team and that is totally fine. It is a forum. of course when we have better days it will be more of a cheerful forum but everything I have seen so far has been fine. It seems the only people who are complaining about negativity are the ones who can't find a fault in Mourinho.

As with old members. people like Lionsden are being banned for simply being over-critical which I think was very harsh as he was an excellent contributor and rarely if ever offended anyone. If we are going to start deleting comments and so on for people being critical over Mourinho then that is just as worse as members getting sacked for having a constant negative attitude. I was looking back and all the comments that have been against Mourinho have been well argued and the reasons are valid.

[kmk108 1,186]

I am judging what can be judgeable. We played 13 games and we were shit in most of them. We've been shit since January though.

I get the whole "not playing pretty football" since January, but we were far from shit in the second half of the season. We only dropped 3 more points in the second half than the first half. We may have played a style that looked better, but we weren't much worse in terms of results.

[Laugh1ngMan 393]

We have been shit since January - honestly our performances are on a downward spiral.

I won't keep repeating myself - but we are hopeless - we can either defend and get a draw or attack and lose!

We create fuck all from open play and rarely trouble the opposition

Our full backs never overlap and when they do its a waste of time

I agree though - who do you bring in? I just don't know anymore but our team is a shadow of the one that started the 14/15 season so brightly. Since the Spuds game we have regressed to amateur football it seems.

I agree that 'winning' is the ultimate yardstick - and I can tolerate for the most part the dull, boring play - but now we are not winning its no longer acceptable to me, as a fan.

People can say Jose has Chelsea in his DNA all they like - but if he gets sacked - he will still take the money, please let's not delude ourselves with 'loyalty' this and that - it does not exist in football. MOURINHO is an employee and he will act like one when he leaves and the next club he goes to will be in his DNA rinse and repeat.

We need to bring in some people with end product.

That is why i think it was a massive mistake to sell Schurlle when we did. For all of his shortcommings he was always a goal threat.

Right now we have two consistent goal threats, but Hazard's end product isn't the best and he should be making more runs off the ball into the box and Costa relies on good service which he isn't getting.

And then we have Willian, who's end product is non existent (at least he is been training on his free kicks), Cesc who has been missing for too long now and Oscar who is just too inconsistent

I still have hope for Pedro once we get our act together but so far he is finding it tough as well

[Blue_Fox_ 2,086]

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[stroey 2,525]

West Ham boss Slaven Bilic claims Chelsea's Jose Mourinho is hated because of 'jealousy'

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/613974/West-Ham-boss-Slaven-Bilic-Chelsea-Jose-Mourinho-hated-jealousy-Premier-League-news