The Mourinho Thread

[johnnythefirst 1,076]

Ehmm...the notion that 1 (non-team) player will win you trophies is absurd. Do you think the second coming of christ Ronaldo will set up tactics in big matches or he will jsut sulk when a team-mate doesn't pass the ball to him, so he can inflate his goal stats and ego?

Personally i would never want a players like that in any team i'd support.

Also, "what you gave him"?

It was an example ffs. Players win you trophies, managers make you think they make you win trophies. They might make a difference yes. José is making a negative difference, that's for sure. Give Ferguson or Guardiola 11 donkeys and they win exactly nothing.

And here comes the "what do you mean, YOU? Are you not a CHELSEA fan!!!?" argument again. ^^

[Blue_Fox_ 2,086]

Players win you trophies, managers make you think they make you win trophies.

Yeah......no. Absolutely not. There's no need to explain why also.

[johnnythefirst 1,076]

Yeah......no. Absolutely not. There's no need to explain why also.

Explain to me what he added to the team. Give me a practical example. Did he make them play better football? Are they more secure? Did he put the right guys on the right spot? Did he bring some nice patterns with him? Fluent attacks? A nice atmosphere in the dressing room? A positive image for the club?

Most managers are completely interchangeable. Did Van Gaal do a better job than Moyes for example? Van Gaal got a couple of € 100 million of new players. Moyes got Fellaini. They were arguably even worse last year. Play like complete shit.

[Blue_Fox_ 2,086]

blablabla

Simply try to make a team play without a manager 'nuff said.

[johnnythefirst 1,076]

Simply try to make a team play without a manager 'nuff said.

I'm not saying that. I'm saying any decent manager will do. Still, got no examples of Mourinho's attributions to the team. ;-)

[Blue_Fox_ 2,086]

I'm saying any decent manager will do.

AVB, Grant, Scolari and RDM would want your theory to be true.

A nice atmosphere in the dressing room?

A positive image for the club?

Are they more secure?

Did he make them play better football?

first-half of the season with pretty and fluent attacks, wins over Liverpool,Man City and 6-0 to Arsenal in his first year.

Want another example of "any decent manager will do"? Give the current Belgium NT to someone like Lippi 2006 or Del Bosque 2010 and they might put in a convincing performance finally.

[Adnane 1,101]

Double.

[Adnane 1,101]

johnnythefirst, on 07 Oct 2015 - 12:59 PM, said:

Yeayea.

Cristiano makes 40-50 goals a season, José makes zero goals a season.

I'd go for Ronaldo.

I'm just saying José is not worth anything close to what you gave him. And now that he has a 5 year deal he can pretty much finish last and still take the club hostage (since he would "NEVER resign!!!") unless they give him € 50 million.

Also, Ronaldo wasn't playing Barca in the Premier League. ;-)

What A Stupid Logic.

Nothing personal, but this sounds like something a Basketball fan starting to follow Football this year would say, you should know better as a regular Football fan..

[johnnythefirst 1,076]

Dudes, the Ronaldo thing was just an example.
A manager shouldn't earn 13,5 million. Better to strenghten your team with some top class players.

Also, yes, the previous managers couldn't win Chelsea the league (they won the CL though, but ok, as underdogs). Was Chelsea the strongest team in the PL? Playerwise? At the time? If the Chelsea players obviously stood out from the other teams: yes, you should have won some more titles, if not: luck and other team's performances are also an issue.

My basic point was that current Mourinho (and LVG for all I care) is overrated, makes teams play worse football, has clear favorites and doesn't know what to do when shit happens. Chelsea won the league in 4 months last year. I said it before, if Hazard would not have been there to carry the attack by himself for months and if all of the other contenders wouldn't have choked massively, he would have failed last year as well. Honestly, there hasn't been a single good game against a decent opponent since early this year.

[johnnythefirst 1,076]

Want another example of "any decent manager will do"? Give the current Belgium NT to someone like Lippi 2006 or Del Bosque 2010 and they might put in a convincing performance finally.

Wilmots is not a decent manager, he's a bad manager.

[iseah100 5,612]

Wilmots is not a decent manager, he's a bad manager.

He's not a manager he's a motivator

[Blue_Fox_ 2,086]

Wilmots is not a decent manager, he's a bad manager.

aaaahhh i see......Still my point remains, give this team to Lippi 2006 and the team would win convincingly.

You do seem a bit confused about what you're saying tbh......

So, José is overrated, but any decent manager would do? hmmmm......

Sorry but i think now you're changing your tune.

Back to the drawing board, as any "decent manager" would say.

[kmk108 1,186]

Do you have last season's defensive chart? I would love to see a comparison

These aren't mine. They're experimental361, but here's the defensive chart from last season. Please. Hold your tears back

Also, here's the attacking chart from last season:

Compared with this season

[stroey 2,525]

Jose Mourinho 'knows everything' - Chelsea defender Kurt Zouma

http://www.espnfc.co.uk/chelsea/story/2652039/jose-mourinho-knows-everything-chelsea-defender-kurt-zouma

[kmk108 1,186]

Jose Mourinho 'knows everything' - Chelsea defender Kurt Zouma

http://www.espnfc.co.uk/chelsea/story/2652039/jose-mourinho-knows-everything-chelsea-defender-kurt-zouma

"After defeats, there's a strange atmosphere in the dressing room," he said. "There's complete silence -- no one opens their mouth. Mourinho has taught us to hate defeat. We're steeped in that culture so it's hard for us."

Someone needs to speak up and be a leader in the dressing room.