The Mourinho Thread

[Jase 43,479]

But then in the CL final when Barcelona was winning they kept the possession against United this not giving them a chance.

Or like Atletico did to us last year.

So your point doesn't make sense.

If you're gonna say that, then at least do so with logical point to back it up, which you did not for the Barcelona v Inter game.

Moreover, you are practically taking two different situations to compare here, where one particular approach (e.g. Inter's vs Barcelona) succeeded and another (e.g. Barcelona vs Man United) worked in another situation. You can't say one works better than the other when the results of whatever approach is taken differs from time to time.

And regarding the Atletico point, I see you haven't countered Rom2013's argument above...

[The Chels 2,502]

Atletico played well but they were completely confortable and in the minute 60 they were 2 goals in front... they were not leading by only one goal with 15 minutes for the end of the game.

Yes but why were they completely comfortable? Because they went for the kill and got it. Simeone knew that 1-1 (going through on away goals) or even 2-1 was not enough and went for it without sacrificing any defensive stability. Perfect balance. If the situation was reversed and it was 1-1 in the second leg at the Vicente Calderón, do you think Mourinho would have gone for the kill? Absolutely not. Jose is a great manager but he is usually far too cautious in the big games, especially in the CL. Atletico gave us a materclass at home in how to maintain the balance between defence and attack. We took 3 of their players but have not adopted their mentality sadly.

Also the Inter example (of sitting back and succeeding) is not a particularly great one. Bojan's goal was wrongly disallowed and that would have sent Barca through.

[Rom2013 446]

Yes but why were they completely comfortable? Because they went for the kill and got it. Simeone knew that 1-1 (going through on away goals) or even 2-1 was not enough and went for it without sacrificing any defensive stability. Perfect balance. If the situation was reversed and it was 1-1 in the second leg at the Vicente Calderón, do you think Mourinho would have gone for the kill? Absolutely not. Jose is a great manager but he is usually far too cautious in the big games, especially in the CL. Atletico gave us a materclass at home in how to maintain the balance between defence and attack. We took 3 of their players but have not adopted their mentality sadly.

Also the Inter example (of sitting back and succeeding) is not a particularly great one. Bojan's goal was wrongly disallowed and that would have sent Barca through.

About Inter Barcelona... in the first place it was not a red card... so if anyone has a problem with the ref would be Inter not Barcelona. And that was for sure the best defensive performance I've ever seen in my life.

ANd about CHelsea Atletico, they killed the game like we did against Man United last season, or Arsenal, or other games. But in the last 20 minutes if you are winning 1-0 you should defend. That's how most teams do it... has you saw in Man CIty- Chelsea, Man City- United, Man United- Chelsea. Barcelona-Real Madrid in the season 2012 (2nd leg of the cup game), and many other games.

And it's not just because it's the better thing to do... it's also because the other will do everything to win.

You just need to see Manchester City... last season they destroyed every big team (except us) at home. Today they can't and they will have a problem every time they have a 1-0 lead in any game. THe same coach, the same players, the same philosophy, the same everything. In games they are winning 3-0 or 4-0 in the last 20 minutes they look like the Brazil of Pelé (today they can't do it that often), and when they are winning 1-0 against Man United at home with one more player they park the bus.

[Jase 43,479]

Yes but why were they completely comfortable? Because they went for the kill and got it. Simeone knew that 1-1 (going through on away goals) or even 2-1 was not enough and went for it without sacrificing any defensive stability. Perfect balance. If the situation was reversed and it was 1-1 in the second leg at the Vicente Calderón, do you think Mourinho would have gone for the kill? Absolutely not. Jose is a great manager but he is usually far too cautious in the big games, especially in the CL. Atletico gave us a materclass at home in how to maintain the balance between defence and attack. We took 3 of their players but have not adopted their mentality sadly.

Also the Inter example (of sitting back and succeeding) is not a particularly great one. Bojan's goal was wrongly disallowed and that would have sent Barca through.

No, it wasn't wrongly disallowed. It was the right decision. The ball hit Yaya Toure in his hands just before Bojan netted the goal.

[stroey 2,525]

Rodgers' starting XI has angered a host of Reds fans but the Portuguese boss reckons his controversial decision will prove a masterstroke if they beat Real and Chelsea this week.

Mourinho said: "I don’t speak about Liverpool. I speak about myself.

"If one day I go to a game and I don’t feel I can win, maybe I don’t go. So, normally, against the most difficult opponents, I will try to go with my best team but who knows.

"Liverpool might play a fantastic match and win and rest players and the players are in great condition to play against Chelsea in this case it might be a genius decision.

"In football it is difficult to comment."

Chelsea play Slovenian outfit Maribor in the Champions League tomorrow before heading to Anfield on Saturday.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/408684/Chelsea-Jose-Mourinho-Brendan-Rodgers-Liverpool

[The Chels 2,502]

ANd about CHelsea Atletico, they killed the game like we did against Man United last season, or Arsenal, or other games. But in the last 20 minutes if you are winning 1-0 you should defend. That's how most teams do it... has you saw in Man CIty- Chelsea, Man City- United, Man United- Chelsea. Barcelona-Real Madrid in the season 2012 (2nd leg of the cup game), and many other games. And it's not just because it's the better thing to do... it's also because the other will do everything to win. You just need to see Manchester City... last season they destroyed every big team (except us) at home. Today they can't and they will have a problem every time they have a 1-0 lead in any game. THe same coach, the same players, the same philosophy, the same everything. In games they are winning 3-0 or 4-0 in the last 20 minutes they look like the Brazil of Pelé (today they can't do it that often), and when they are winning 1-0 against Man United at home with one more player they park the bus.

Those games aren't comparable. We were at home: Arsenal completely collapsed as they always do in the big games and United were atrocious last year. Of course Jose would go for the kill in those games. But in the biggest of games, away from home or in the latter stages of the CL he's overly cautious at 0-0 and at 1-0. You make it out like Jose only parks the bus in the last 20 minutes - remember Atletico away last year? Liverpool in 07 where we only needed to score 1 goal at Anfield to essentially ensure qualification to the final? There's a big difference between parking the bus, and playing defensively whilst also actually intending to score (again). I think everyone knows Jose will always prefer the former but the latter, which Atletico did against us last year, is surely the better approach even if there's 'only' 20 mins left (that's plenty of time for the opposition to equalise).

No, it wasn't wrongly disallowed. It was the right decision. The ball hit Yaya Toure in his hands just before Bojan netted the goal.

Having watched it again I stand corrected. It's not a good example anyway because Inter only had 10 men and the debate is about parking the bus when going for another goal is very possible which was obviously not the case in that game.

[calculatingInfinity 1,495]

Rodgers' starting XI has angered a host of Reds fans but the Portuguese boss reckons his controversial decision will prove a masterstroke if they beat Real and Chelsea this week.

Mourinho said: "I don’t speak about Liverpool. I speak about myself.

"If one day I go to a game and I don’t feel I can win, maybe I don’t go. So, normally, against the most difficult opponents, I will try to go with my best team but who knows.

"Liverpool might play a fantastic match and win and rest players and the players are in great condition to play against Chelsea in this case it might be a genius decision.

"In football it is difficult to comment."

Chelsea play Slovenian outfit Maribor in the Champions League tomorrow before heading to Anfield on Saturday.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/408684/Chelsea-Jose-Mourinho-Brendan-Rodgers-Liverpool

I love how different sites gets wildly different things from those quotes. Some say that Mou is taking a dig at Liverpool, and dailystar is saying he's calling it a potential masterstroke lol

[kellzfresh 7,229]

Arsenal lost a 3 goal lead while going for the kill imagine, just imagine if that happens tomorrow vs Maribor

[zolayes 14,489]

Arsenal lost a 3 goal lead while going for the kill imagine, just imagine if that happens tomorrow vs Maribor

It will be OUR away fans fault

[RoyalBlues 4,050]

Rodgers' starting XI has angered a host of Reds fans but the Portuguese boss reckons his controversial decision will prove a masterstroke if they beat Real and Chelsea this week.

Mourinho said: "I don’t speak about Liverpool. I speak about myself.

"If one day I go to a game and I don’t feel I can win, maybe I don’t go. So, normally, against the most difficult opponents, I will try to go with my best team but who knows.

"Liverpool might play a fantastic match and win and rest players and the players are in great condition to play against Chelsea in this case it might be a genius decision.

"In football it is difficult to comment."

Chelsea play Slovenian outfit Maribor in the Champions League tomorrow before heading to Anfield on Saturday.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/408684/Chelsea-Jose-Mourinho-Brendan-Rodgers-Liverpool

lol

[zolayes 14,489]

Rodgers' starting XI has angered a host of Reds fans but the Portuguese boss reckons his controversial decision will prove a masterstroke if they beat Real and Chelsea this week.

Mourinho said: "I don’t speak about Liverpool. I speak about myself.

"If one day I go to a game and I don’t feel I can win, maybe I don’t go. So, normally, against the most difficult opponents, I will try to go with my best team but who knows.

"Liverpool might play a fantastic match and win and rest players and the players are in great condition to play against Chelsea in this case it might be a genius decision.

"In football it is difficult to comment."

Chelsea play Slovenian outfit Maribor in the Champions League tomorrow before heading to Anfield on Saturday.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/408684/Chelsea-Jose-Mourinho-Brendan-Rodgers-Liverpool

a STAR classic

[The Chels 2,502]

Arsenal lost a 3 goal lead while going for the kill imagine, just imagine if that happens tomorrow vs Maribor

So the only way to go for the kill is Arsenal's way - having everyone and his dog push right up leaving massive gaps? Did you bother watching our 2nd leg in the CL semi final last year? That's how it's done.

[Fernando 6,743]

Arsenal lost a 3 goal lead while going for the kill imagine, just imagine if that happens tomorrow vs Maribor

Not the first time and won't be the last that Arsenal does something like that.

Who can forget the 4-4 against Newcastle?

[Tomo 21,754]

Those games aren't comparable. We were at home: Arsenal completely collapsed as they always do in the big games and United were atrocious last year. Of course Jose would go for the kill in those games. But in the biggest of games, away from home or in the latter stages of the CL he's overly cautious at 0-0 and at 1-0. You make it out like Jose only parks the bus in the last 20 minutes - remember Atletico away last year? Liverpool in 07 where we only needed to score 1 goal at Anfield to essentially ensure qualification to the final? There's a big difference between parking the bus, and playing defensively whilst also actually intending to score (again). I think everyone knows Jose will always prefer the former but the latter, which Atletico did against us last year, is surely the better approach even if there's 'only' 20 mins left (that's plenty of time for the opposition to equalise).

Having watched it again I stand corrected. It's not a good example anyway because Inter only had 10 men and the debate is about parking the bus when going for another goal is very possible which was obviously not the case in that game.

Against Leti we had many players out and we were heading to the inform team in Europe, any one who doesn't go defensive in that circumstance is an idiot.

This parking the bus bolax is just that, Fergie and LVG hace gone that defensive in games before (see WC semi or title decider at the Ethiad in 2012) yet that never even gets mentioned.

EVERY SINGLE MANAGER that isn't an arrogant purist is partial to a defensive game when needs must, the difference between Jose and the rest is he is better at pulling it off.

[The Chels 2,502]

Against Leti we had many players out and we were heading to the inform team in Europe, any one who doesn't go defensive in that circumstance is an idiot. This parking the bus bolax is just that, Fergie and LVG hace gone that defensive in games before (see WC semi or title decider at the Ethiad in 2012) yet that never even gets mentioned. EVERY SINGLE MANAGER that isn't an arrogant purist is partial to a defensive game when needs must, the difference between Jose and the rest is he is better at pulling it off.

Atletico were heading away to Jose Mourinho's Chelsea who had beaten every big team at home that season and had a stunning home record. Did Simeone think like you, that he would be an 'idiot' if he didn't play ultra defensively? No. They did play defensively but they ALSO went forward with intent and tried to score even when they took the lead.

Nobody is saying that Jose shouldn't play defensively in the big games because that will obviously never happen but taking more initiative, especially when we take the lead, really wouldn't kill us. Meaningful counter attacking football is a good idea. Counter attacking with 2 players or with the ball ending up all the way back to keeper or parking the bus where we just boot the ball back to the opposition, however, is not.

[didierforever 7,349]

It will be OUR away fans fault

well, if they keep sitting quiet and doing nothing to motivate our team match after match, then well a certain portion of the blame will fall on their head.

[chelseafc9010 224]

Arsenal lost a 3 goal lead while going for the kill imagine, just imagine if that happens tomorrow vs Maribor

I think the only two teams in the league who can give away a 3 goal lead like that is Arsenal and Liverpool, anyone else including us should be able to dominatte the game, the kill is already done at 3-0, then it's time to dominate, which arsenal cannot do. Also if you watch the match they didn't even go for anything, just awful defensively and in midfield they gout overrun.

[lionsden 4,689]

I think the only two teams in the league who can give away a 3 goal lead like that is Arsenal and Liverpool, anyone else including us should be able to dominatte the game, the kill is already done at 3-0, then it's time to dominate, which arsenal cannot do. Also if you watch the match they didn't even go for anything, just awful defensively and in midfield they gout overrun.

And us under AVB.

[chelseafc9010 224]

And us under AVB.

Well that was an awful team so there is no point in that really.

But if you think about it, with Jose we wouldn't of scored 3, probably 1 or 2 then parked the bus, so would be of come off better or worse hmm? Not sure.

[Barbara 15,149]

Well that was an awful team so there is no point in that really.

But if you think about it, with Jose we wouldn't of scored 3, probably 1 or 2 then parked the bus, so would be of come off better or worse hmm? Not sure.

oh... somehow in my mind we scored three goals against United last term. My bad.