BlueLyon 9,359 Posted July 3, 2016 Share Posted July 3, 2016 4 hours ago, The Skipper said: What? They've won the World Cup and the Euros with Fabregas playing a decently big part in both tournaments. He was not integral part. Xavi, Iniesta and Sergio pulled things back then. As for chelsea, he was average in all bigger games bar arsenal. You wont see him perform like Modric in big game, pulling things, running, playmaking etc. I dont know how people can defend him. He talks alot of stuff in media about warrior spirit and has trophies yes, but he just isnt the man to help you win CL or euros. Styles, DYC., The Chels and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted July 3, 2016 Share Posted July 3, 2016 42 minutes ago, Stats said: We won the title first season when he joined us though..... and like Skipper said... I should write that he wont win tournament titles while playing key role. PL is one thing, because you have bunch of average teams that Cesc excelled against. But against every better, pressing opponent, the dude hides in shadow. Essien19, Styles and The Chels 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue_Fox_ 2,086 Posted July 3, 2016 Share Posted July 3, 2016 I'm with Bluelyon on this, we aren't going anywhere with him in our midfield. We shackled ourselves. BlueLyon and Styles 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellzfresh 7,229 Posted July 3, 2016 Share Posted July 3, 2016 2 hours ago, Blue_Fox_ said: I'm with Bluelyon on this, we aren't going anywhere with him in our midfield. We shackled ourselves. I think fabregas played in the false nine position for Spain while xavi, Iniesta and Busquets were controlling the midfield for them. But fabregas controlling midfield is much tougher for him because of his mobility/strength on the ball issues. Blue-in-me-Veins 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 17 hours ago, BlueLyon said: He was not integral part. Xavi, Iniesta and Sergio pulled things back then. As for chelsea, he was average in all bigger games bar arsenal. You wont see him perform like Modric in big game, pulling things, running, playmaking etc. I dont know how people can defend him. He talks alot of stuff in media about warrior spirit and has trophies yes, but he just isnt the man to help you win CL or euros. Well, that's entirely different to what you were initially saying. We aren't defending that he can consistently dictate play in big games, he's struggled in that aspect, everyone knows. You said that Spain won't win anything big with him on the pitch, which is a completely different statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 18 hours ago, The Skipper said: Well, that's entirely different to what you were initially saying. We aren't defending that he can consistently dictate play in big games, he's struggled in that aspect, everyone knows. You said that Spain won't win anything big with him on the pitch, which is a completely different statement. Yup my mistake, but its hard to say that Cesc was reason Spain won those titles. They won them, Cesc wasnt even a starter. If we had Xavi, Iniesta and Busquets with Cesc coming from bench, we would probably win some titles, but not with Cesc starting every game which was my point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 On 7/3/2016 at 5:01 AM, The Skipper said: What? They've won the World Cup and the Euros with Fabregas playing a decently big part in both tournaments. They also had Xavi, Villa, Torres, Puyol, Capdevilla, and Alonso. Not even mentioning the fact that it was early Tiki-Taka days, before it had been dissected, countered and forgotten. Never forget Aragones. Spain would have won with or without Fabregas during those days, I'm sure of it. Nuski 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue_Fox_ 2,086 Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 http://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/2016/7/8/12128166/chelsea-fc-cesc-fabregas-antonio-conte-rumour-report !!!!!!!!!!!!! Please be true! Please be true! Hot potato on the bench Goodbye retinal damage. The Chels 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccg 1,528 Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 2 hours ago, Blue_Fox_ said: http://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/2016/7/8/12128166/chelsea-fc-cesc-fabregas-antonio-conte-rumour-report !!!!!!!!!!!!! Please be true! Please be true! Hot potato on the bench Goodbye retinal damage. Mmm but he coached Pirlo and the tatics will probly be something similar, but by Pirlo's own words “I love the man, I have nothing but respect and admiration for him. I know if he takes a job, any job, it will have to be on his terms. “The players he wants to sign, those he wants to get rid of, the style he wants to play. “If you sign him as your coach and then as the owner you want to start making decisions, he is not the coach for you". So it will be interesting ,he will know all about out Fabregas and hopefully use him and protect his weakness like a Pirlo@Juve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky 739 Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 Manchester United eye transfer of Cesc Fabregas if Chelsea midfield overhaul makes him surplus to requirements Quote Jose Mourinho is ready to swoop for his old Chelsea midfielder Cesc Fabregas. New Manchester United boss Mourinho is waiting to find out whether the Spaniard survives Antonio Conte’s shake-up, with the incoming Stamford Bridge manager closing in on Leicester's N'Golo Kante. Italian Conte is also refusing to give up on Roma’s Radja Nainggolan for his midfield and retains an interest in Portuguese Euro 2016-winning duo Joao Mario (Sporting Lisbon) and Andre Gomes (Valencia), who both also play that position. Chelsea’s new boss wants more steel and energy in the middle of the park and that could see Fabregas - a favourite of the Special One - become surplus to requirements for the Blues. The Spain international was way below his creative best last season and during the second half of Chelsea’s title-winning campaign two seasons ago. But Fabregas, signed two years ago from Barcelona for £27million, still has a good relationship with Mourinho. The United boss has prioritised a world-record £100m move for Paul Pogba and is set to step up his attempts to land the Juventus superstar this week. But he is prepared to bide his time over Fabregas as Conte - who has already landed Marseille striker Michy Batshuayi for £33m - continues with his own transfer business. http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/manchester-united-eye-transfer-cesc-8407623 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essien19 1,415 Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 Fingers crossed! But can't see it, sadly. Gesendet von meinem SM-G930F mit Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stats 7,142 Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 Would be crazy to let him go. Even if he will not be in Cont'e plans for first 11, when we play much weaker teams, his creativity will be vital. If he goes, what creative passer do we have in the team. Be serious! Pjanic would have been a good alternative but he has gone Juve. Beepu 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 23 minutes ago, Stats said: Would be crazy to let him go. Even if he will not be in Cont'e plans for first 11, when we play much weaker teams, his creativity will be vital. If he goes, what creative passer do we have in the team. Be serious! Pjanic would have been a good alternative but he has gone Juve. OH FFS! WHY DID YOU HAVE TO MENTION THAT?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted July 13, 2016 Author Share Posted July 13, 2016 3 hours ago, Stats said: Would be crazy to let him go. Even if he will not be in Cont'e plans for first 11, when we play much weaker teams, his creativity will be vital. If he goes, what creative passer do we have in the team. Be serious! Pjanic would have been a good alternative but he has gone Juve. Problem is, would he accept sitting out against any half decent opposition and be in the right state of mind to give us those assists against Hull? Im not sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,902 Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 I think he'll be in contention for our next captain. No chance will he be sold, slim chance he'll be dropped in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stats 7,142 Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 49 minutes ago, Tomo said: Problem is, would he accept sitting out against any half decent opposition and be in the right state of mind to give us those assists against Hull? Im not sure. Probably not but he prob will still play a lot of big games. However I still don't know what Conte's planned formation is and still don't know if the likes of Kante are coming and whether the likes of Matic are leaving, so until then he still remains a key player for him. But regardless, there will be several games next season where we are thinking 'if only we had Fabregas' if we do let him go. Think it will be ludicrous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted July 13, 2016 Author Share Posted July 13, 2016 1 minute ago, Stats said: Probably not but he prob will still play a lot of big games. However I still don't know what Conte's planned formation is and still don't know if the likes of Kante are coming and whether the likes of Matic are leaving, so until then he still remains a key player for him. But regardless, there will be several games next season where we are thinking 'if only we had Fabregas' if we do let him go. Think it will be ludicrous. If we play 3-5-2 or 4-3-3 then absolutely he's still a key man, but in a 4-4-2,4-2-4 I'm not quite sure were he will fit in, for that formation to work the two central midfielders have to be top class defensively, and Cesc certainly isn't that, even Arsene "I don't adapt my principles for anyone" Wenger changed to a 4-3-3 to accommodate Cesc and wouldn't risk him in a 4-4-2. Stats 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stats 7,142 Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 14 minutes ago, Tomo said: If we play 3-5-2 or 4-3-3 then absolutely he's still a key man, but in a 4-4-2,4-2-4 I'm not quite sure were he will fit in, for that formation to work the two central midfielders have to be top class defensively, and Cesc certainly isn't that, even Arsene "I don't adapt my principles for anyone" Wenger changed to a 4-3-3 to accommodate Cesc and wouldn't risk him in a 4-4-2. If it is a 4-4-2 or 4-2-4, there will defo be games where he will be a sub however the teams that sit back, he will be very useful. Even if Fabregas might not fit in Conte's ideal team, I hope and am very positive that Conte will not entertain the idea of selling him. Hopefully Conte can work with him in training sessions to improve his defensive work rate while still adding much needed creativity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue_Fox_ 2,086 Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 We're going to play 4-4-2 (4-2-4) With Cesc being a sub. Alternatively 4-3-3 if we really do have to make him play every week. If I see someone putting Fabregas in the "Pirlo" role in a 3-5-2 I'm going to get a stroke. Adnane and Essien19 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bababoom 4,478 Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 Yep, madness if we let him go, he's really our only creative player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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