DanAdibi! 106 Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Here is the video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgv6oA2ZSLcEto gains possession then your player falls. No penalty.From that angle doesn't look like a pen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! The Skipper 20,609 Posted April 30, 2014 Popular Post! Share Posted April 30, 2014 First of all, congratulations to Atletico Madrid who have been absolutely outstanding this season, tip my hat off to them and will be rooting for them in the final.Second, defensive mistakes did us in today obviously - two from Hazard not tracking back with his man twice, but in my opinion when you start 6 defenders on the pitch I don't think it's a necessity that Hazard needs to track his man back so deeply into the box. Simeone got Mourinho on that when - attacked our left lane very well knowing that Hazard's defending isn't his strongest point (he shouldn't have to be defending that deep at all to begin with but that's a different discussion all together) and they reaped the rewards. A lot of people on here were underestimating the value of an Atletico away goal or an away goal for us in the first leg but it just goes to highlight how important that away goal in the first leg could've been for us. Had we got an away goal in Madrid, even if they scored here we wouldn't have been as rattled as we were. We started panicking when they scored and because of that and the need to score a goal, we left ourselves open to Atletico's counter attacking game and they came away with a result they thoroughly deserved. Simeone definitely got one over Mou today - he beat us at our own game. Mourinho's plan unfortunately backfired today. I know Mou's hands were somehow tied in midfield especially (in consideration to how he wanted to play - with 3 in midfield) but to put Azpi there was a huge gamble that didn't work. I still can't quite fathom how he did not play Oscar who can definitely play a more withdrawn role and do a job defensively... Whilst also providing extra impetus going forward. We were set to counter with a 4-3-3 formation but didn't have the appropriate tools to do so. We should've started the game trying to put our foot down rather than letting Atletico settle. Also to sub on Eto'o played right into Simeone's hand - essentially reducing a man for us in midfield which allowed Atletico to take the initiative even more. He should've brought on Oscar instead which is what I thought he'd do but unfortunately he didn't. But then again, that's football, you can't win them all. Barring a miracle in the EPL; on to next year where we hopefully sign up the correct players in those key positions that we lack in (LB, CM and ST) and we'll give it a go again.KTBFFH. seanptmiller, Styles, Fulham Broadway and 11 others 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beepu 1,714 Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Well I guess that's what people get for being ridiculously over confident that we'd be in the Final. Underestimating Atletico and overestimating us.Great sportsmanship by Atletico at the final whistle btw. Congrats. Gonna be an interesting Madrid Derby in the Final I guess....Haha it seems that we win when everyone think we won't and vice versa. NishC300 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xPetrCechx 13,571 Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 From that angle doesn't look like a pen. i think he touched him with his leg... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! CHOULO19 24,332 Posted April 30, 2014 Popular Post! Share Posted April 30, 2014 You see what is getting really annoying its when we win, its because of Jose. When we lose.... And the group stages this year is a million time easier then last years.Not really the point. The team has over-achieved simply by reaching this semifinal, so us going out tonight is not a "failure" you would pin on someone.You of course have the right to criticize Jose and blame him for tonight's result, and some have indeed done so, but that is completely different from cynical knee-jerk crap like "No bus parked, no win. Jose is a genius!" which is far from constructive criticism, not really thought through, and frankly makes us look fickle plastics. If you want to criticize the manager who has led us this far, even though this is not the time for it, at least construct a proper argument. darrus, syxxeR, Mohammed Seif and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DanAdibi! 106 Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Haha it seems that we win when everyone think we won't and vice versa.Its more that people underestimate our opponents. People talking about the final here last night as if A.Madrid were not there yet. And obviously when we get beaten with those circumstances its bitter. We need to learn to manage our expectations and take it step by step. Beepu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanAdibi! 106 Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 i think he touched him with his leg... He seems to get the ball first. Whether he went through him to get the ball isn't really that clear to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beepu 1,714 Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Its more that people underestimate our opponents. People talking about the final here last night as if A.Madrid were not there yet. And obviously when we get beaten with those circumstances its bitter. We need to learn to manage our expectations and take it step by step.Exactly my thoughts. DanAdibi! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted April 30, 2014 Author Share Posted April 30, 2014 First of all, congratulations to Atletico Madrid who have been absolutely outstanding this season, tip my hat off to them and will be rooting for them in the final.Second, defensive mistakes did us in today obviously - two from Hazard not tracking back with his man twice, but in my opinion when you start 6 defenders on the pitch I don't think it's a necessity that Hazard needs to track his man back so deeply into the box. Simeone got Mourinho on that when - attacked our left lane very well knowing that Hazard's defending isn't his strongest point (he shouldn't have to be defending that deep at all to begin with but that's a different discussion all together) and they reaped the rewards. A lot of people on here were underestimating the value of an Atletico away goal or an away goal for us in the first leg but it just goes to highlight how important that away goal in the first leg could've been for us. Had we got an away goal in Madrid, even if they scored here we wouldn't have been as rattled as we were. We started panicking when they scored and because of that and the need to score a goal, we left ourselves open to Atletico's counter attacking game and they came away with a result they thoroughly deserved. Simeone definitely got one over Mou today - he beat us at our own game. Mourinho's plan unfortunately backfired today. I know Mou's hands were somehow tied in midfield especially (in consideration to how he wanted to play - with 3 in midfield) but to put Azpi there was a huge gamble that didn't work. I still can't quite fathom how he did not play Oscar who can definitely play a more withdrawn role and do a job defensively... Whilst also providing extra impetus going forward. We were set to counter with a 4-3-3 formation but didn't have the appropriate tools to do so. We should've started the game trying to put our foot down rather than letting Atletico settle. Also to sub on Eto'o played right into Simeone's hand - essentially reducing a man for us in midfield which allowed Atletico to take the initiative even more. He should've brought on Oscar instead which is what I thought he'd do but unfortunately he didn't. But then again, that's football, you can't win them all. Barring a miracle in the EPL; on to next year where we hopefully sign up the correct players in those key positions that we lack in (LB, CM and ST) and we'll give it a go again.KTBFFH.Oscar was injured apparently according to Mourinho, hence why he didn't play but not sure if he was truthful there personally. As for the Eto'o sub, think the issue with that was he changed it too early. Gary Neville made the point on commentary that he was surprised that Mourinho started to chase the game so early when we could have kept it tight at 1-1 and then do it later on. Then again, we seem like we've lost once Atletico scored. Came out of the second half with a wrong mindset and already looked rattled when we shouldn't be just yet. The Mak, Blue-in-me-Veins, The Skipper and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Flash 1,144 Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 It was the softest penalty of the competition but that is text book they were going to do everything to make sure we didn't get to the final we never should have got so far. It kills we couldn't beat them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! MrBlueGuy 1,552 Posted April 30, 2014 Popular Post! Share Posted April 30, 2014 It was the softest penalty of the competition but that is text book they were going to do everything to make sure we didn't get to the final we never should have got so far. It kills we couldn't beat them Actually it was as stone wall as it could have been mate, I am really disappointed too but no need to be ashamed that we just been beaten by a better side. Svita 10, bababoom, The Chels and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Oscar was injured apparently according to Mourinho, hence why he didn't play but not sure if he was truthful there personally. As for the Eto'o sub, think the issue with that was he changed it too early. Gary Neville made the point on commentary that he was surprised that Mourinho started to chase the game so early when we could have kept it tight at 1-1 and then do it later on. Then again, we seem like we've lost once Atletico scored. Came out of the second half with a wrong mindset and already looked rattled when we shouldn't be just yet.Shame we couldn't hold the lead till HT, if we did we would've been in the final right now IMO.Like you said, a lot of players came out very nervy after HT, which is never good.It's a learning experience for some of these though. We were taught a lesson today. Hopefully Mou and co will make sure that they've received that lesson well. Jase, Barbara, Muzchap and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbara 15,149 Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 do you guys think maybe the defense missed Cech and his leadership?I don't think Schwarzer was bad, but it seems like there was no other leader there in addition to Terry. I feel like Cahill and our movement sometimes wasn't as it is with Cech there guiding them through. I don't know, maybe I'm spouting nonsense, but I'm not sure we haven't missed Petr. CHOULO19, iceman, darrus and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beepu 1,714 Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 First of all, congratulations to Atletico Madrid who have been absolutely outstanding this season, tip my hat off to them and will be rooting for them in the final.Second, defensive mistakes did us in today obviously - two from Hazard not tracking back with his man twice, but in my opinion when you start 6 defenders on the pitch I don't think it's a necessity that Hazard needs to track his man back so deeply into the box. Simeone got Mourinho on that when - attacked our left lane very well knowing that Hazard's defending isn't his strongest point (he shouldn't have to be defending that deep at all to begin with but that's a different discussion all together) and they reaped the rewards. A lot of people on here were underestimating the value of an Atletico away goal or an away goal for us in the first leg but it just goes to highlight how important that away goal in the first leg could've been for us. Had we got an away goal in Madrid, even if they scored here we wouldn't have been as rattled as we were. We started panicking when they scored and because of that and the need to score a goal, we left ourselves open to Atletico's counter attacking game and they came away with a result they thoroughly deserved. Simeone definitely got one over Mou today - he beat us at our own game. Mourinho's plan unfortunately backfired today. I know Mou's hands were somehow tied in midfield especially (in consideration to how he wanted to play - with 3 in midfield) but to put Azpi there was a huge gamble that didn't work. I still can't quite fathom how he did not play Oscar who can definitely play a more withdrawn role and do a job defensively... Whilst also providing extra impetus going forward. We were set to counter with a 4-3-3 formation but didn't have the appropriate tools to do so. We should've started the game trying to put our foot down rather than letting Atletico settle. Also to sub on Eto'o played right into Simeone's hand - essentially reducing a man for us in midfield which allowed Atletico to take the initiative even more. He should've brought on Oscar instead which is what I thought he'd do but unfortunately he didn't. But then again, that's football, you can't win them all. Barring a miracle in the EPL; on to next year where we hopefully sign up the correct players in those key positions that we lack in (LB, CM and ST) and we'll give it a go again.KTBFFH.Skipper, you are my favorite. Absolutely agree with this, I was wondering why he put in Eto'o so early and giving them a man advantage in midifled. But again I think no one should hold it against Mourinho for his decisions tonight. I am just happy that we are back where we belong. The Skipper 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 outplayed. well played ATM. they deserved the won. everything went wrong from that moment when juanfran(i think) kept the ball in play. ATM would be one of the worst teams to play against if u r chasing a game. and they proved why? this is why i NEVER wanted this tie. RM and especially bayern would have played right into our hands. still, always thought that the first goal would decide the encounter. it was simply not meant to be...schwarzer - good performance despite giving away 3 goals. left open for all 3 of them. cole - slept for the first goal. not just him but the whole defence. his positioning was weird cos he was behind JT when the cut back came in. JT - decent performacen. GC - shocker. absolute stinker. never ever looked comfortable today. cant count the times he lost the ball. iva - the fuck was he trying to go thru half the ATM team? despite azpi being in good positions. and learn to put a bloody cross in.rambo - one of his better performance. stole the ball a number of times from ATM in the first half. a couple of clearances inside the box. but over-run in the 2nd half.luiz - dont understand what he wants to do half the time. passes when he should shoot (azpi ball), shoots when he should pass (hazard one). hazard - poor performance. on such a night u need to give your fucking 200%. chase down 10-90 balls. that was his man for the first goal who put the cut back. hazard stopped covering him. same for the 3rd goal. that is not what a world class player does. he had some duties and he let the team down today. i can remember so many times schurrle and salah, covering johnson and flanagan against pool. poor, very poor.willian - good performance. that run for the goal and the fight to keep the ball in play surrounded by 3 players is what created the goal. azpi - he is azpi. what else needs to be said. nice cut back. i am sure iva would have hit a defender somehow.torres - was very good in the first half. not just goal scoring ways but held the ball brilliantly, linked up well. took on players. my motm.subs - etoo - dint understand this one. why??? we had ample time. on such night 10 minutes plus injury time is lifetime. jose pressed the panic button and it back fired. ba - decent performacnce. i wont mind him being here as a 3rd striker next season.ps - i dont care if cech is a legend. i dont care if cech is chuck fucking norris. courtois SHOULD be chelsea's no.1 gk next season. the guy is brilliant. the people who wanted him to go out on loan on a PL team should probably get their heads tested. costa is a pain in the ass. he ll be good for us. get him. GhanaBoy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beepu 1,714 Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 do you guys think maybe the defense missed Cech and his leadership?I don't think Schwarzer was bad, but it seems like there was no other leader there in addition to Terry. I feel like Cahill and our movement sometimes wasn't as it is with Cech there guiding them through. I don't know, maybe I'm spouting nonsense, but I'm not sure we haven't missed Petr.Players like Cech are the kind of players anyone would miss. No offense to Mark of course, he did a good job I think. Barbara and Manilla Brawler 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 do you guys think maybe the defense missed Cech and his leadership?I don't think Schwarzer was bad, but it seems like there was no other leader there in addition to Terry. I feel like Cahill and our movement sometimes wasn't as it is with Cech there guiding them through. I don't know, maybe I'm spouting nonsense, but I'm not sure we haven't missed Petr.I brought this point up after his injury. It's not just about the actually keeping but the organizing of the defense. The keeper is the first organizer because he can see everything. Barbara, darrus and Beepu 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlueGuy 1,552 Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Shame we couldn't hold the lead till HT, if we did we would've been in the final right now IMO.Like you said, a lot of players came out very nervy after HT, which is never good.It's a learning experience for some of these though. We were taught a lesson today. Hopefully Mou and co will make sure that they've received that lesson well.The lesson is that never ever aim for a 0-0 even away from home, especially in a CL knock out tie. What other lessons are there to be learn?do you guys think maybe the defense missed Cech and his leadership?I don't think Schwarzer was bad, but it seems like there was no other leader there in addition to Terry. I feel like Cahill and our movement sometimes wasn't as it is with Cech there guiding them through. I don't know, maybe I'm spouting nonsense, but I'm not sure we haven't missed Petr.2 of the goals were Hazard's fault then when they hit it across nothing could have been done. For example Turan header and then that Adrian shot where I think Terry and Cahill tried to intercept the pass to him unsuccessfully. Even better if we had Courtois imo, he is now the best GK in the world for me ahead of Neuer who is now too cocky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Fernando 6,585 Posted April 30, 2014 Popular Post! Share Posted April 30, 2014 Well that's a defeat that is very easy to digest. Often times we have been outdone by a bad call from a ref or last minute mistake. Here the best team won hands down. And we got nothing else to do but congratulate them and for us to analyse the season and fix the problems that have been a recurring theme. mediator, Mohammed Seif, Blue-in-me-Veins and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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