Sheva. 5,373 Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 My biggest worry is if we set out like that vs QPR, logic dictates that he will be that defensive vs Juve. I hope i am wrong but i expect we will see the exact same team with Mata in for bertrand...Playing a team like that is only asking for trouble. We will be pinned back a lot and also do not have enough quality in attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutcho 8,443 Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Playing a team like that is only asking for trouble. We will be pinned back a lot and also do not have enough quality in attack.Yep that is 100% true, QPR had more possesion than us... That shouldn't be happening, look at tottenham away to reading it is all one sided. I have said it in many other threads but if RDM thinks after that game that Ramires is better at RW than Moses then something weird is going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedsBlue 1,549 Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Yep that is 100% true, QPR had more possesion than us... That shouldn't be happening, look at tottenham away to reading it is all one sided. I have said it in many other threads but if RDM thinks after that game that Ramires is better at RW than Moses then something weird is going on. and then BOOM! reading equalize in stoppage time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue-in-me-Veins 4,067 Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Yep that is 100% true, QPR had more possesion than us... That shouldn't be happening, look at tottenham away to reading it is all one sided. I have said it in many other threads but if RDM thinks after that game that Ramires is better at RW than Moses then something weird is going on. i think for us we just have to wait till maybe stoke game or week after for us to finally see what RDM will do when lamps needs a rest. for me thats when i will i have a good idea on just what he has planned. we should be playing with 5 defensive players (exclude goalie) a box to box and 4 out right-attacking players. but if we continue at this rate i fear the worst for moses, oscar, studge and marin..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazza1984 21 Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 I hope he does have a long and successful time as chelsea manager but I can't see it lasting beyond this season.The defensive wingers against one of the weakest teams in the league is unexplainable. We should be looking to completely boss those sorts of games, home or away. I hope that situation improves, and I think it will.Yestereday was a very frustrating performance to watch, although that is the worst Chelsea have been in the league so far this season so I dont see any reason to panic. I think they have done ok up to now.2 other points - I don't see why Arsenal are so scary all of a sudden. They didnt score in thier first 2 games and have played a very poor liverpool team and even poorer southampton team since.The other point is Torres. Im not his greatest fan but anyone who thinks Sturridge over Torres is the answer is IMO very wrong. Sturridge is far too selfish to play at the top level for me, plus not a natural to play thru the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadenza666 221 Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 hopefully he is, but Guardiola to Chelsea appears inevitable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strike 7,489 Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 the right players have been signed. the footballing philosophy has been radically different. give him time, he'll come good. i love how everyone on here were like "di Matteo has got some balls " after the Reading game and then "di Matteo should grow some balls" after the QPR game. di matteo will learn from this. remember the falcao horror show? di matteo must have been concerned about the defence and thus went with 2 defensive wingers supplementing hazard. we were defensively solid although it was compromised in attack. plus we did not have Juan Mata. the proverbial glue that holds the team together instead we had Lampard in the creative mid position who had a poor game. this lead to a lot of astray passes and inevitably we came under pressure. too early to judge di matteo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 We will know something of the direction we are heading in after 10-15 games.What we have to remember is in August Marin was injured, Moses wasn't signed yet, Oscar was only just back from the Olympics so Robbie had no choice but to start with Mata, Hazard and one of Ryan and Ramires in the 3. You could argue Danny but i think Robbie truly see's him s Torres's competition now.The next couple of months is when things need to slowly change, especially against teams like QPR. Moses should get more starts, Oscar should slowly be getting bedded into the English game and Marin will be back from injury. That's when we need to start seeing a more attacking approach. The Stoke and Wolves home games would be the perfect time to start.However in the big games we still need to get some sort of defensive balance so i would not be too disappointed to see Ramires and Bertrand on the wings against Juventus's fullback's. If i see a defensive lineup at home to Stoke however, ill be tearing my hair out.Team for Juve - Cech, Ivan, Luiz, Terry, Cole, Mikel, Lampard, Ramires, Mata, Hazard, Danny.Stoke - Cech, Ivan, Cahill, Terry, Cole, Mikel, Ramires, Moses, Mata, Hazard, Danny.Wolves - Hilario, Azpi, Luiz, Cahill, Bertrand, Mikel, Romeu, Moses, Oscar, Marin, Torres.Azpi, Bertrand, Romeu, Moses, Oscar and Marin should use the Wolves match as the platform to start making regular starts.Ive also noticed some calls for a Romeu-Mikel double pivot, well Wolves will be the perfect match to see if it will work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclezillion 23 Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 The whole problem is in midfield! we are absolute crap in central midfield, Completely the wrong players for the system he tries to play!!!!!!!!We see what happens against crap teams like Reading and QPR because our central midfiel is shit! The double pivot is everything in his set up but it is so weak itfucks the rest of the team up!For me he has already shown he is the wrong man for the job! He got lucky last season in a couple of games that we would have lost 99 times out of 100. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Fong 2,776 Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 I think it's still too early to judge RDM's ability, let alone whether he should be sacked or not. However I'm definitely concerned. Too conservative approach against a team like QPR and the starting lineup was embarrassing considering we are the Champion of Europe and we have all the talents in disposal. He showed too much respects to QPR, we have the ability to keep possession and pressurize them from the first minute. Like I said in the matchday thread, when we have the attacking conductor of Brazil NT on the bench unused, you know RDM didn't try hard enough to win. I just hope RDM realizes his ass is one the line if he can't deliver the beautiful football Roman desperately wants. I know in football result matters but when you play against an inferior team you need to show them who's the boss not the other way around to motivate them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamiCFC9 258 Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 With the money we spent and the salaries our players are on, we are expected to play FAR BETTER then we currently are.Just imagine - give SAF or Wenger these money or this squad and we would've been far better playing and much more entertaining.RDM needs to show he has a balls otherwise .., the defensive aproach and lampard will eat his head.And why the fuck Lampard is still starting, this is CFC not some charity for fat old men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzchap 8,966 Posted September 17, 2012 Author Share Posted September 17, 2012 With the money we spent and the salaries our players are on, we are expected to play FAR BETTER then we currently are.Just imagine - give SAF or Wenger these money or this squad and we would've been far better playing and much more entertaining.RDM needs to show he has a balls otherwise .., the defensive aproach and lampard will eat his head.And why the fuck Lampard is still starting, this is CFC not some charity for fat old men.Dude I started this thread - it's about RDM's tactics and progressive long-term thinking.It's not a thread to bash Lampard - who, despite not playing brilliantly in a role he's not suited for - has done more for CFC over the years THAN ANY player in CFC modern history. Yes Drogba was also great - but Lampard has played nearly every game and consistently scored ~20 goals a season.It's not Frank's fault - it's RDM's for playing him in a position he is not suited too!RDM should sit down and watch Man U - they can find a place for Scholes + Giggs - we need to do the same for Frank.Please keep it on Robbie's decision making, not individual players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamiCFC9 258 Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 If di Matteo is trying to instil a new mentality he is learning to do it in a different way than Villas-Boas attempted. Although I see absolutely no change, besides Hazard.The thing that annoys me most is he is killing Oscar's potential by putting him on the bench and playing Mikel and Lampard ahead of him. Though I agree with his team selection yesterday, Oscar should be playing more. However he may be short on fitness.Simple and very, very true.That's what pisses me off, we are playing just like last year shit football except for Hazard.The team isn't gelled at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nachikethas 1,154 Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 he should show some balls thats all i say.like playing danny boy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue_swaggin_96 96 Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 why do people think a pep garbagola will do any better? because he managed a best team in the world? the team that dutchman before him build?lets be honest, Rdm is our best bet right know, we didnt play bad against qpr, if you want to cry about " our defensive approach? will qpr isnt the same team from last season, we could have been in shithole if mikel mistake wasnt recovered, the only problem is ther nothing that can stop lampard know, i think mateo is scared of him, or respects him too much, he should be benched! put oscar in fkn game ffsRDM is our man! believe in him, we will be up ther! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzchap 8,966 Posted September 17, 2012 Author Share Posted September 17, 2012 why do people think a pep garbagola will do any better? because he managed a best team in the world? the team that dutchman before him build?lets be honest, Rdm is our best bet right know, we didnt play bad against qpr, if you want to cry about " our defensive approach? will qpr isnt the same team from last season, we could have been in shithole if mikel mistake wasnt recovered, the only problem is ther nothing that can stop lampard know, i think mateo is scared of him, or respects him too much, he should be benched! put oscar in fkn game ffsRDM is our man! believe in him, we will be up ther!We could have been in trouble if Mikel's backpass had been seized upon....This is QPR! We should have won comfortably.They are a new team with lots of new players - they had zero time to gel - yet look more accomplished than we did at certain stages of the game.I'll say it again (like most people) going with that Formation, Approach and Personnel to QPR was probably the single worst tactics I have ever seen RDM display - and it is really concerning... Yes, we all know he likes the Counter Attack - but since when have QPR been an all out attacking force? It's that kind of 'one-dimensional' thinking that will really start to see him under pressure. Once teams figure out we're all about the counter attack, they will nullify us easily - for the likes of QPR / STOKE / Etc - getting a point is a good result and maybe they might nick a win...Also playing tried and tested players in positions they are not used to - is no way to build a team for the future.If Brazil think Oscar is ready, why the F**K don't we...And for those saying we missed MATA - are we really back to a 1 player team again? We need to lessen our relience on MATA and create from ALL areas of the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueDutchy 63 Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Just wait and we'll see how manages the bad periodes in the winter. That was the period that broke up Villas-Boas and we'll see how RDM does. RDM isn't a great manager but he definitely deserves some credit . I wouldn't have started Oscar, who isn't used to the EPL and the atmosphere in british stadia, in a hostile environment like Loftus Road. This time it didn't work out for Di Matteo but when he played Mikel-Mereiles a couple of weeks ago, it was a great move. We spend a lot this summer and RDM is still building a squad. We don't see how players perform in training, we don't see the interaction and connection between player. No I don't agree with everything he does, but then no manager has ever did what I wanted him to do.If he turns out to be incompetent, we'll just hire De Boer (Dutch Guardiola..) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamiCFC9 258 Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 why do people think a pep garbagola will do any better? because he managed a best team in the world? the team that dutchman before him build?lets be honest, Rdm is our best bet right know, we didnt play bad against qpr, if you want to cry about " our defensive approach? will qpr isnt the same team from last season, we could have been in shithole if mikel mistake wasnt recovered, the only problem is ther nothing that can stop lampard know, i think mateo is scared of him, or respects him too much, he should be benched! put oscar in fkn game ffsRDM is our man! believe in him, we will be up ther!Because Pep has balls."the team that dutchman before him build?" Is very false statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 The big games are coming thick and fast now with Juve, Arsenal, Spurs, Man utd and Liverpool soon. Then we will have a clear indication of RDM, his tactics and the squad in general.Exactly. People overlook this a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea? 892 Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 Well if he refuses to play more than 3 attackers against QPR I don't think he'll.be here much longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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