Non-Chelsea Transfer Pub

[Leif 6,006]

Well. Who knew Hummels didn't have a heart.

[manpe 10,861]

On 4/20/2016 at 1:11 AM, Fernando said:

Arsenal confident of signing Granit Xhaka from Gladbach - sources

http://www.espnfc.us/story/2854635/arsenal-confident-of-signing-granit-xhaka-sources

 

Shouldn't we also be going for Xhaka? Since we need midfield. 

If Arsenal sign him it must mean he is not that good, so we better stay clear.

[KevinAshburner 1,270]

Feyenoord starlet Tahith Chong confirms Manchester United move

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2892/transfer-zone/2016/04/29/22927252/feyenoord-starlet-tahith-chong-confirms-manchester-united

By Chris Davie

29 Apr 2016 12:28:00

The 16-year-old has attracted interest from the Premier League's elite, including Arsenal and Chelsea, and claims the Dutch club have not done enough to keep him

Feyenoord starlet Tahith Chong has confirmed that he is nearing a move to Manchester United.

The 16-year-old, who was born in Curacao, has been linked with a host of Premier League clubs included Arsenal, Chelsea and Manchester City.

But the forward insists Feyenoord's poor attempts to keep him at the club have persuaded him to move to Old Trafford.

"It was my intention to stay at Feyenoord, but no plan was made for me," he told Elf Voetbal.

 

[Henrique 9,133]

Likely ins:

Pelle and Cuadrado.

Out:

Oscar.

[Muzchap 8,966]

1 hour ago, Henrique said:

Likely ins:

Pelle and Cuadrado.

Out:

Oscar.

Sad but true... 

[The Skipper 20,609]

On 28 April 2016 at 4:03 PM, chelseafan26 said:

I dont know the reasons for the rest of the people, but I can sure give my reasons.

For the past 6 years, we have been in transition. We have no identity, we have no stability, we have no youth players coming through the ranks, now we have no european football. Despite continously putting in 100million pounds every year ( £475,959,000 in the last 5 years) yet we have been going from bad to worse. in 2007 and 2008 we were one of the best teams in the world and again, despite continously putting in millions of pounds, we are now not only out of the list of elite clubs but also out of the elite competition. I think its safe to say that we need a change. We need a change of approach, of mentality, of attitude.

So how do we do it? We are not in CL next season, have a new manager and yet we are looking to make a system around a 29 year old CM who runs like a 50 year old. No idea whats going to happen to him  when he gets 30 in a year. I am sorry but what have we learned from the past then? Lets leave aside the fact that can cesc actually play the "pirlo role" (as this seems to be the operational word on this forum), is a player so hopelessly unathletic at the prime age of his career, playing as a CM which requires a lot of legs and running around, is he the best player to make a system around him. If not then I think he simply is not a player to keep around if the system is not built around him. 

Personally, I will be willing to have no PL for 3 years if it means we can get some identity. Build the system around the likes of RLC, Radja, Hazard, Zouma, Andreas, Tibo. 

I'm definitely not saying build the system around Cesc, but don't you think he can at the very least be a very good squad option? He isn't athletic but not many have the passing ability he does. I'd much rather someone like Cesc in the squad than Oscar. There are other players we need to sell before even touching Cesc. 

Cesc does not need to be sold because he can still contribute pretty effectively. Especially if we can get in a proper midfield (which we need to anyway, not because of Cesc per se). We're meant to be strengthening our squad, not make it weaker. 

[Styles 9,790]

On 28/04/2016 at 4:03 PM, chelseafan26 said:

I dont know the reasons for the rest of the people, but I can sure give my reasons.

For the past 6 years, we have been in transition. We have no identity, we have no stability, we have no youth players coming through the ranks, now we have no european football. Despite continously putting in 100million pounds every year ( £475,959,000 in the last 5 years) yet we have been going from bad to worse. in 2007 and 2008 we were one of the best teams in the world and again, despite continously putting in millions of pounds, we are now not only out of the list of elite clubs but also out of the elite competition. I think its safe to say that we need a change. We need a change of approach, of mentality, of attitude.

So how do we do it? We are not in CL next season, have a new manager and yet we are looking to make a system around a 29 year old CM who runs like a 50 year old. No idea whats going to happen to him  when he gets 30 in a year. I am sorry but what have we learned from the past then? Lets leave aside the fact that can cesc actually play the "pirlo role" (as this seems to be the operational word on this forum), is a player so hopelessly unathletic at the prime age of his career, playing as a CM which requires a lot of legs and running around, is he the best player to make a system around him. If not then I think he simply is not a player to keep around if the system is not built around him. 

Personally, I will be willing to have no PL for 3 years if it means we can get some identity. Build the system around the likes of RLC, Radja, Hazard, Zouma, Andreas, Tibo. 

[cfcs most wanted 657]

On 28 April 2016 at 5:52 PM, The Skipper said:

Don't understand why people are so adamant to sell off Fabregas. He can be a very useful player if in the right system. You need top options. Fabregas provides that. 

When people can be so eager to sell Hazard and Courtois then what is Fabregas

[chelseafan26 293]

2 hours ago, The Skipper said:

I'm definitely not saying build the system around Cesc, but don't you think he can at the very least be a very good squad option? He isn't athletic but not many have the passing ability he does. I'd much rather someone like Cesc in the squad than Oscar. There are other players we need to sell before even touching Cesc. 

Cesc does not need to be sold because he can still contribute pretty effectively. Especially if we can get in a proper midfield (which we need to anyway, not because of Cesc per se). We're meant to be strengthening our squad, not make it weaker. 

Mate, I get what you are saying but would like to start my post with a bit of a disagreement.

Please dont compare Cesc to Oscar. Yes, Cesc has his faults. Glaring, frustrating, mind numbing faults but the guy is also a joy to watch when things are going right. He is a player who can be a match changer on his day and his technical ability when given space and time is almost second to none. You just compared this guy to one of the most hopelessly, devoid of any talent player who actually makes me pull out my hair everytime I see him on the pitch. 

Please dont. Lets not compare Oscar to ANY player otherwise we will end up re calling marko marin, in case Oscar is the player who sets the bar.

Now to cesc. There is plenty of ways to go around the rebuilding. If we go to the "expectations for next season" thread (or something on the similar lines), then we can see 2 broad categories. I would call them as - 1. Longhaul, 2 Instant Success.

Both of these have their pros and cons. Are we over-rating the youth? Are our youth really worth a shot and having 6/7 guys  not only in the squad (RLC, Ake, Andreas, Baker, Kenedy, Traore, musonda along with young players like Baba, Zouma) but actually a massive part in deciding the season? Or should we go down the lets just buy for now and deal with the consequences after 2 years.

Personally, I am willing to take the risk. Yes we might end up like Spurs and pool, But their also a chance of our own youth players playing and giving their all for the shirt.

Coming just to cesc. He is one of the highest earners in the team. Do you think that he would accept a bench role? Would he be successful on the bench? I might be wrong here, but he is a player who needs the team to play around him rather than him to come on the field and perform a bit-part Kalou role. He seems to be a player who can only work when the things are built around him. He needs the ball on his feet to thrive. I honestly dont think their is any other way. Otherwise, It would almost be like having Mata in the team but putting him on the wing and not letting him be your main play-maker. This is my main issue with cesc. If cesc stays, the only role he can be of any use to us is if he is our main playmaker. Which to me makes no sense for the numerous reason I gave in the first post. I can see us having another good season with him as our lynchpin and then getting screwed massive the year later and again in the market looking for a creative CM while berating RLC for not "developing" or "having the right attitude" despite him having no play time. 

I know what i want is bordering on impossible considering the board and the owner that are running this club to the ground. I also know that cesc will most probably be here come the next season. But a fan can dream. 

[Fernando 6,601]

Manchester City ‘agree to pay €50m release clause’ for Aymeric Laporte

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/may/02/manchester-city-aymeric-laporte-athletic-bilbao

[Special Juan 28,187]

They will spend another 150m more for me, they are not wasting time. We need to do the same and get our business done quickly like 2 summers ago.

[The Skipper 20,609]

35 minutes ago, chelseafan26 said:

Mate, I get what you are saying but would like to start my post with a bit of a disagreement.

Please dont compare Cesc to Oscar. Yes, Cesc has his faults. Glaring, frustrating, mind numbing faults but the guy is also a joy to watch when things are going right. He is a player who can be a match changer on his day and his technical ability when given space and time is almost second to none. You just compared this guy to one of the most hopelessly, devoid of any talent player who actually makes me pull out my hair everytime I see him on the pitch. 

Please dont. Lets not compare Oscar to ANY player otherwise we will end up re calling marko marin, in case Oscar is the player who sets the bar.

Now to cesc. There is plenty of ways to go around the rebuilding. If we go to the "expectations for next season" thread (or something on the similar lines), then we can see 2 broad categories. I would call them as - 1. Longhaul, 2 Instant Success.

Both of these have their pros and cons. Are we over-rating the youth? Are our youth really worth a shot and having 6/7 guys  not only in the squad (RLC, Ake, Andreas, Baker, Kenedy, Traore, musonda along with young players like Baba, Zouma) but actually a massive part in deciding the season? Or should we go down the lets just buy for now and deal with the consequences after 2 years.

Personally, I am willing to take the risk. Yes we might end up like Spurs and pool, But their also a chance of our own youth players playing and giving their all for the shirt.

Coming just to cesc. He is one of the highest earners in the team. Do you think that he would accept a bench role? Would he be successful on the bench? I might be wrong here, but he is a player who needs the team to play around him rather than him to come on the field and perform a bit-part Kalou role. He seems to be a player who can only work when the things are built around him. He needs the ball on his feet to thrive. I honestly dont think their is any other way. Otherwise, It would almost be like having Mata in the team but putting him on the wing and not letting him be your main play-maker. This is my main issue with cesc. If cesc stays, the only role he can be of any use to us is if he is our main playmaker. Which to me makes no sense for the numerous reason I gave in the first post. I can see us having another good season with him as our lynchpin and then getting screwed massive the year later and again in the market looking for a creative CM while berating RLC for not "developing" or "having the right attitude" despite him having no play time. 

I know what i want is bordering on impossible considering the board and the owner that are running this club to the ground. I also know that cesc will most probably be here come the next season. But a fan can dream. 

I understand where you're coming from, it's a sound argument but you still need senior players in the squad and Cesc is one of those, and the good thing is he actually has ability unlike someone like Oscar so he can be useful in some scenarios - i.e. when we're playing teams that park the bus, give us space to do our thing. You'd want Fabregas in your team in this case no? Or at least as an option.

I can see ourselves being in these sort of situations enough times for Cesc to actually be useful for us. We need a competitive midfield, a competitive team. That starts with keeping players like Fabregas - even if we intend on getting in someone better. My point is that you need a competitive squad. You don't want to be relying on just one player who'll have no one on his toes just in case he doesn't perform well enough. Something similar to the Matic and Mikel situation. Matic dropped form massively and Mikel isn't a great replacement for him now is he? Similarly, you want good replacements. It can work. Look at Bayern for example - they've got the likes of Thiago, Vidal, Alonso, Muller, Martinez and then have players like Rode, Gotze and even Alaba who can all play in the center of the pitch. That's the sort of level we should be aiming for in my opinion. You have to keep Cesc if you're aiming for that. It allows for rotation, competitiveness, and prevents the massive drop in quality if anyone gets injured. 

Something like (especially if we sell Oscar, this midfield would make the most sense IMO); Fabregas, Pjanic, Nainggolan, Matic, RLC. That is an elite midfield right there IMO. If Matic goes down, Nainggolan shifts in to DM and we play someone like RLC next to him and someone like Fabregas. That's still a very good midfield. Similarly if one of Fabregas or Pjanic goes down we still have the options. If we are playing against teams that will offer us more space, why not play both Pjanic and Fabregas? This is the level we should be aiming for IMO! 

[BlueLyon 9,359]

Lol people talking about Cesc in Pirlo role. Not to first think that this is EPL, league that plays 3 times higher tempo than serie a and even real Pirlo couldnt cope in such league.

Secondly, Cesc is miles behind Pirlo. 

Many pointed out but I realy hope we get someone else for that creative role in midfield, Gundogan would be dream. But board is probably thinking of making Cesc the captain...

[Strike 7,533]

Cesc is the best midfielder at the club. Would definitely retain him and add quality options around him. 

A midfield of Fabregas - Nainggolan - Matic - RLC + 1 more creative player. Could replace Matic too tbh

[bluephoenix 1,131]

On 4/28/2016 at 5:22 AM, The Skipper said:

Don't understand why people are so adamant to sell off Fabregas. He can be a very useful player if in the right system. You need top options. Fabregas provides that. 

we certainly shouldn't sell but should he be part of starting 11? depends!

[RoyalBlues 4,050]

Very hard to predict which players will go, as it is very much depend on what Conte feels and needs. The one whom we think should go, might staying instead because Conte has some plan for him.

[Special Juan 28,187]

We need another winger for me. Pedro is not good enough for me and across the three behind the striker we need much better quality.

A Mahrez, Payet, Reus type is what we should look too. If Hazard sticks around I wouldn't mind seeing him as #10 and get one of the ones I mentioned. Following that the midfield slot/s is as important and the area that needs the most focus.

I do not envy the job ahead of Conte, he's got one big mother fucking task ahead of him, and the board need to back him like never before.

[Billy. 2,742]

If Tibo goes we should get in Forster to replace him 

we do need to be realistic in who we will go for this summer because we got no European football to offer and whos to says we can get it the following season. 

 

 

[Blue-in-me-Veins 4,067]

Apparently Bayern Munich are close to signing him for €38M.

Probably means Goetze is all but destined to leave, most likely to Liverpool. 

 

 

 

 

[Fernando 6,601]

1 hour ago, Blue-in-me-Veins said:

Apparently Bayern Munich are close to signing him for €38M.

Probably means Goetze is all but destined to leave, most likely to Liverpool. 

 

 

 

 

I guess that means we might not get Naianngolan? 

Don't think Roma will sell Pjanic and him in the same window. 

Any how what a let down. We should have gone for him.