Juan Mata

[lionsden 4,689]

BTW I'm not conceding that we are better off without mata than with him in the team and that Oscar is superior. that will never happen and I have made my views on that clear enough. however, I'm looking at it from a financial standpoint and also from the pov that players of mata's quality should be playing regular footie and since he won't get that here, it's makes sense for both parties to part ways

[ZOS 580]

after all this, he won't be any good for us anymore, Jose will have to sell him ... I say sell him to Athletico or PSG for up to 8mil less

[CHOULO19 24,332]

YOU have a wonnderful ability to see only your view ,, must be wonderful to be always so certain you are right ..

Of course I could be wrong, I'm expressing an opinion

But that's what happens when you actually provide a well presented opinion backed with logic instead of just shooting snide and cynical comments: you end up with an opinion that you can actually defend and discuss

[bushman 2,043]

Nothing has happened.

That dude likes to jump to conclusion before things happen.

He was like that when he thought mourinho was going to United calling him a traitor..

I just don't understand the desire people have here of taking the extreme side without having the truth.

And we all know how much the English media make shit up.

I remembered them stating how hulk was a done deal for Chelsea some time ago.

It won't be the first and won't be the last. But people never learn.

Well, I honestly doubt nothing has happened. To me, something´s cooking here. Sadly enough, I hate to see him going especially to Manures, but him not being at the training grounds, that´s all she wrote, I feel.

As for your comparisons, not one of them was as clear as Mata´s.

As you might have seen, I have questioned Jose´s dealings over the last summer, Lukaku & all. Still not very happy about it.

Just one thing I agree with this sale. The 40m may go a long way to buy other players.

There are two choices here, I feel. Either you keep Mata around, let him sit or grab the money & run. Manures are no threat for the PL title anymore.

[We Hate Scouse 10,286]

THIS is how much faith Roman has in Mourinho!, the russian is almost treating Jose how Ferguson was treated at United..

Chelsea Football Club is no longer run by the players or the board, the manager is in charge!, at last.

Quite a bold assumption to make. Are we sure that FFP hasn't gotten to the boards head?

[Ze Mario 638]

Relax everyone. This thread has gone beyond ridiculous. Mourinho has made it clear. He wants him on the squad, but if a top player like him wants to play more games it's righteous that he leaves. That's perfectly fair. But this door should be open only for teams outside PL. Mata himself IMO does not fancy PL transfer either. He probably wants to try Barcelona the summer.

yes, but mou also stated that he allowing mata to leave if that what the player wants

[The only place to be 11,313]

BTW I'm not conceding that we are better off without mata than with him in the team and that Oscar is superior. that will never happen and I have made my views on that clear enough. however, I'm looking at it from a financial standpoint and also from the pov that players of mata's quality should be playing regular footie and since he won't get that here, it's makes sense for both parties to part ways

Nice that you're keeping an open mind regarding the development of Oscar despite him being a couple of years younger than Mata.

[Amblève. 4,995]

So... if Mata is actually being sold, could this mean we might be seeing a 4-3-3 with Oscar, Ramires, Mikel/Matic in midfield more often than our current 4-2-3-1?

[Strike 7,274]

Quite a bold assumption to make. Are we sure that FFP hasn't gotten to the boards head?

We're complying with FFP. Ofcourse 40mil will be helpful but I don't think that's the reason for this happening. If it happens

[Term-X 7,891]

Quite a bold assumption to make. Are we sure that FFP hasn't gotten to the boards head?

On paper it's a PR disaster, any other coach at the helm and the board would be holding out until he gets sacked and another face comes in. You don't let an asset leave if you have a carousel culture at the club..

The carousel has been replaced by Mourinho, we're the new United, he's the new Ferguson.

[didierforever 7,349]

Juan leaving does not weaken our squad because he is our fifth choice AM unlike Oscar or Hazard. Of course we should not sell our star players, we are not a selling club. But selling a player who hasn't had a single minute on the pitch since new years day for 40m is an opportunity that is hard to turn down.

The 40m will strengthen us because it allows us to heavily into the market in the summer and spend at least that amount; something we will need to do if we are to challenge next season.

mata DOES weaken our squad. only half the season is over. the main part of the season is left. plus when u r challenging for titleS, u need quality in depth which mata provides to us. a 40mil offer is not hard to turn down when u see who the bidder is. united have been poor but they still have players like rvp and rooney who can turn the season around specially when u consider them playing along with mata. if united get top 4 cos of that, then the next season they will have something like this

------------------rvp---------------

---janujaz----rooney----mata--------

-----carrickc------new CM-----

new CM can be some1 like cabaye/gundogan/matuidi. we are not just helping them rebuild, we are literally giving them a lifeline here.

as for the 40mil, suppose mata comes back from the world cup, and is then subject to a bid of 30-35mil from psg/atm/some team. how much of a difference does this 5mil make to us?

also u keep saying the 40mil will strengthen us, but tell me how it does that this season. who can we buy to replace him with that money in this window that can help us get PL.

[didierforever 7,349]

exactly, us getting £40m doesnt mean we go out and spend £40m extra on top of what we would already spend. The only thing that should be of any concern is us weakening our squad significantly (who doesn't think Mata can make the difference later in the season, especially off the bench) and strengthening Man United. We could well end up with fucking Moses or Marin back as 5th choice attacking midfielder and no one challenging Oscar and Willian when they inevitability drop in form.

Let Man United try and sign Draxler or Reus, I doubt they'd be able to get them, probably ending up with another Fellaini. On that note, why are we only demanding £37m from a club who spent £28m on Fellaini?

well said.

[Special Juan 27,492]

Some thongs in a right mess in here.......

[Term-X 7,891]

2014, the year Roman decided a Chelsea manager could be.. a manager, rather than the coach.

[TorontoChelsea 4,064]

So... if Mata is actually being sold, could this mean we might be seeing a 4-3-3 with Oscar, Ramires, Mikel/Matic in midfield more often than our current 4-2-3-1?

I think it suits our team better. The only problem is the lack of wingers. We have players who can cover at attacking midfield, but I think we'd need to bring someone else in (maybe Moses back?) to regularly play the 4-3-3.

[The only place to be 11,313]

mata DOES weaken our squad. only half the season is over. the main part of the season is left. plus when u r challenging for titleS, u need quality in depth which mata provides to us.

Did you object to the De Bruyne sale for the same reason?

Squad depth only makes sense if the player is actually used, and also doesn't weaken the system we play. Can you say both of those things apply to Mata?

[Eidur the Spider 4,515]

Chelsea TV confirmed that the entire squad trained today with only Torres and Van Ginkel missing out.

[Special Juan 27,492]

The comments on Twitter, and people wonder why I call it Twatter!!!!

"If Mata leaves Jose should leave too"