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4-1 at home to Fulham, that's bad no matter who you are.

Palace seem to be getting progressively worse after a decent August, could see them finishing the season with less than 15 points, maybe even less than 10.

Had UTD let them keep Zaha they would have been doing better, him and them were on a roll. <_<

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I think we can nail sunderland and palace for two relegation spots.

The question is who will "take" the last spot

I wouldn't write Sunderland off so quickly. They have a lot of quality everywhere and even a world-class player in Giacherrini. They can easily go on a run of games if Poyet gets it right. I still think Hull will go down.

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I wouldn't write Sunderland off so quickly. They have a lot of quality everywhere and even a world-class player in Giacherrini. They can easily go on a run of games if Poyet gets it right. I still think Hull will go down.

World class?

You really need to raise your standards.

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You really need to watch the last Euros.

World class? Why because he played for your favorite team Juventus? You know your team what let him go? He's not world class, world class is someone like Juan Mata, Iniesta, Schweinsteiger, Toure or even Van Persie not a player who is playing in a team that has only achieved one point in 8 games.

He hasn't done much yet for Sunderland, he is far from world class, stop being a wind up merchant.

Yeah I watched the Euros, I also remember how many of us wanted Debuchy because of his excellent performances in the tournament, now he's the liability of Newcastles defence.

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World class? Why because he played for your favorite team Juventus? You know your team what let him go? He's not world class, world class is someone like Juan Mata, Iniesta, Schweinsteiger, Toure or even Van Persie not a player who is playing in a team that has only achieved one point in 8 games.

He hasn't done much yet for Sunderland, he is far from world class, stop being a wind up merchant.

Yeah I watched the Euros, I also remember how many of us wanted Debuchy because of his excellent performances in the tournament, now he's the liability of Newcastles defence.

Well that depends on your definition of world class. There is no "definition" of world class that goes for everybody. I just meant he's miles ahead of the other Sunderland players and most players of the bottom teams. And what does Juve have to do with anything? He never fit Conte's system and couldn't get a game with them.

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Well that depends on your definition of world class. There is no "definition" of world class that goes for everybody. I just meant he's miles ahead of the other Sunderland players and most players of the bottom teams. And what does Juve have to do with anything? He never fit Conte's system and couldn't get a game with them.

You just meant?

So you want to go back to the basics then? Go ahead go and tell me that there is no definition for anything, that I can say a player is good when really that's unfair because someone can say he's in the average category it's unfair to define him as good.

It's getting ridiculous now, you can't even have a good debate with you, you always take the big steps away from the actual argument. But yeah you 'just' meant you weren't stating anything, you never do that do you, you never make bold statements just to wind people up and then state the obvious when people quote you. But this is a forum and we all talk in typical banter/catshit sense, if you say someones world class then you mean he is world class, that means world beater, it does actually have a meaning. I fail to see how this player is a world beater when he hasn't shown that, he doesn't play in a top class team and consistently puts in top class performances, if he doesn't do that then it is wrong to define that player as world class, no matter how 20 dimensional you want to get on me.

What does Juve have to do with anything? Oh I don't know they let this so called world class player go, what sort of team does that?

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