Laylabelle 9,535 Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 Oh suddenly we are 6th..booo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,184 Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 1 minute ago, Laylabelle said: Oh suddenly we are 6th..booo west ham drew, so the furthest we can drop is 9th when all you put all on 13 games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laylabelle 9,535 Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, LAM09 said: 17 minutes ago, Vesper said: they are going to win the league again cant see anyone catching them They generally seem to capitalise when others slip up. And have the whole package going on..the little odd blip here and there but not losing except that dodgy time Vesper and LAM09 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,184 Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 every young CB Klopp puts in has a big game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,184 Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 and Curtis Jones looks to be well on his way to being a real baller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikkiCFC 8,324 Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 How is United in such a good position. 4 points ahead of us if they win both games. And tomorrow they will. Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,184 Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 6 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said: How is United in such a good position. 4 points ahead of us if they win both games. And tomorrow they will. PGMOL they have gifted at least 9 points so far via insane VAR and pen calls in their favour Atomiswave 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,184 Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 29 minutes ago, Laylabelle said: Yep....I think they will. Know still a while to go but they don't look like losing any time soon especially now can have home fans again. Urghhhhh grim Theyre on 64...ours was 86. here are the best shots the rest of the season for them to lose at Anfield Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
We Hate Scouse 10,326 Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 8 minutes ago, Vesper said: here are the best shots the rest of the season for them to lose at Anfield I think you may have made a slight mistake there Vesper....you appear to have included us in that list Vesper and Johnnyeye 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Armour 4,442 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 3 hours ago, MoroccanBlue said: Cannot comprehend how Liverpools entire XI have become so disciplined in the concept of moving the ball quickly against low blocks yet for our players it only comes once every five games. Mourinho does have a point that Jurgen has spent more than 1800 days with his Liverpool squad, fine tuning it and shaping it to his image. The best results don't often come quickly. No one needs reminding that Klopp arrived in 2015, but till 2019 his Liverpool side were only finishing in the top 4 That's why I find it utterly laughable when people compare Lampard to Pep/Klopp and say we can't afford to give him time because the rest are proven winners. When the so-called best managers take that long to turn their side into title challengers, how can you demand Lampard to do it in less time? Alabama 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Armour 4,442 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 3 hours ago, NikkiCFC said: I hope Pulisic can be our Son. Hazard Maybe not exactly the same profile, but I prefer one of our own. ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Armour 4,442 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 2 hours ago, Vesper said: yes, I just wanted that bloody streak broken Telling you Vesper, would prefer us to be the ones that do it. Tit for tat. Sweet revenge Atomiswave and Johnnyeye 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,184 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 2 hours ago, We Hate Scouse said: I think you may have made a slight mistake there Vesper....you appear to have included us in that list might as well take care of it ourselves Atomiswave 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,184 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 38 minutes ago, Blue Armour said: Mourinho does have a point that Jurgen has spent more than 1800 days with his Liverpool squad, fine tuning it and shaping it to his image. The best results don't often come quickly. No one needs reminding that Klopp arrived in 2015, but till 2019 his Liverpool side were only finishing in the top 4 That's why I find it utterly laughable when people compare Lampard to Pep/Klopp and say we can't afford to give him time because the rest are proven winners. When the so-called best managers take that long to turn their side into title challengers, how can you demand Lampard to do it in less time? took Pep one season at Shitty, and then he won the league back to back, including 100 points and 98 points he won the league the first 3 years in a row he was at Barca, won the CL his first and third years Pep won the league his first 3 years at Bayern as well, won the FIFA World Club Championship his first year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 2 hours ago, Blue Armour said: Mourinho does have a point that Jurgen has spent more than 1800 days with his Liverpool squad, fine tuning it and shaping it to his image. The best results don't often come quickly. No one needs reminding that Klopp arrived in 2015, but till 2019 his Liverpool side were only finishing in the top 4 That's why I find it utterly laughable when people compare Lampard to Pep/Klopp and say we can't afford to give him time because the rest are proven winners. When the so-called best managers take that long to turn their side into title challengers, how can you demand Lampard to do it in less time? Fair sentiment but Klopp had achieved success and had a track record of building a successful team over time back in Germany before going to Liverpool. Hence, there was likely the trust by their board that he will get things right eventually when he joined them. But with Lampard? He hasn't had the same or even similar achievement before managing us. So, we have nothing whatsoever to fall back on and have to judge him and his work based on what he's doing right now. He is still a relatively inexperienced manager and he's learning on the go. Whether it's fair or not on him, we're basically being "forced" to judge him based on his current work because he hasn't done anything of such in the past. I don't think Lampard has failed in this job but I also don't think he has fully convinced yet. Moreover, giving a manager time is one thing but we also do not want to give it for the sake of it. Otherwise, we could easily end up with a situation like Solskjaer at Man United, where he has been there for like 2 years and they are still yo-yoing between being good and bad on a regular basis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
communicate 2,703 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 3 hours ago, Blue Armour said: Mourinho does have a point that Jurgen has spent more than 1800 days with his Liverpool squad, fine tuning it and shaping it to his image. The best results don't often come quickly. No one needs reminding that Klopp arrived in 2015, but till 2019 his Liverpool side were only finishing in the top 4 That's why I find it utterly laughable when people compare Lampard to Pep/Klopp and say we can't afford to give him time because the rest are proven winners. When the so-called best managers take that long to turn their side into title challengers, how can you demand Lampard to do it in less time? Hmm, what I expect is progress. That was delivered by klopp. You can see it clearly. Lamp can use lack of training time as excuse but that is it. Squad wise, I don't see massive need anywhere in oue team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,184 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Why Brexit could mean Scottish clubs are raided from south of the border https://theathletic.com/2197585/2020/12/16/brexit-scottish-english-transfers/ Brexit is a subject that has dominated the public conscience since the United Kingdom voted to leave the European Union in 2016 — and football will not escape its clutches from next month. The FA this month confirmed that, after the Brexit transition period has ended on December 31, Premier League and EFL clubs will not be able to sign players from the EU under the age of 18. It is a move that will prevent the top English clubs scooping up elite talent across Europe with the hope it could promote opportunities for young local players but it could have a knock-on effect for Scottish clubs. “We become their second-biggest market overnight behind other English clubs,” one Scottish Premiership chief executive tells The Athletic. It is a topic that has understandably not been a main priority given the strain COVID-19 has put on finances, but the new post-Brexit dynamic could change the nature of youth development in Scotland if it leads to a surge in cross-border transfers. Indeed, The Athletic has heard from multiple sources how clubs in England are rapidly increasing their presence north of the border by hiring full-time youth scouts, with a couple of League One clubs even taking on scouts. The standing of Scottish players has improved dramatically in recent years, which is leading to an increase in interest itself, but there is apprehension that Brexit could lead to clubs being raided for talent before they even break into the first-team. In an in-depth investigation with sporting directors, academy directors, coaches, agents and scouts, The Athletic has found: There are understandable fears that the roll call of Scots to make the move south of the border before first-team age is going to increase, but this is a trend that has gathered pace in recent years. Then there is the transfer of Aaron Hickey from Hearts to Bologna and — the deal many in the game view as the gamechanger — Billy Gilmour from Rangers to Chelsea in 2017, aged 16. The rapid rise of the diminutive midfielder, who made his first Champions League start last week, has made clubs sit up and take notice of the market. “Scotland went down to play England in 2017,” says a Scottish Football Association (SFA) source. “That day changed a lot of people’s minds as it was at St George’s Park and people were shocked at how Scotland were playing against a team who had just won the World Cup at that age group. “If you go to a Scotland international game almost every club in England is represented in the stands. I don’t know whether that’s a good thing or a bad thing but it’s happening.” The groundswell in interest — which can see upwards of 15 English scouts in attendance at the National Performance Centre in Edinburgh — is in stark contrast to the situation six or seven years ago when clubs were said to be pulling out of Scotland and refocusing their attention on Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland. “Some clubs take the Scottish market seriously but a lot still don’t, strangely,” says a well-connected Scottish agent. “Most like to say they do to the press but a lot of them don’t have any presence up here, which is staggering. They go off recommendations. It’s not just scouts I’ve heard being placed up here — agencies are looking to put more people up here too.” Scottish clubs have a breadth of views on whether this interest will turn out to be punitive or lucrative. At the top end they are said to be relaxed about it as, although they will compete financially with English clubs when they come in for a generational talent, they are beginning to realise the potential in trading players more often given the sums they can fetch. That is opening up the chance to replace them with English players, with one leading Scottish clubs said to be “all over” players exiting English academies due to the lower compensation fee on cross-border deals. Most clubs in Scotland, though, are holding their breath. Academy directors have been holding meetings where this has been a major topic of discussion. “Some of us are going to get hammered,” The Athletic is told by one of them. “It’s already happening. We have about six or seven players who are in correspondence with big English clubs about taking them down.” As of January 1, it is unanimously agreed that the standing of young Scottish players will instantly increase. “They are no longer competing with the best players at Anderlecht, Ajax, Dinamo Zagreb or Lyon to catch the attention of Premier League clubs,” says a Scotland-based scout from a major English club. Another Premier League scout, who has just been appointed in Scotland, does not believe clubs will lower their standards but he believes the success of Andy Robertson, John McGinn and Kieran Tierney has awakened clubs to the potential. “When you would touch base with a club and talk about recruitment, as soon as you mention Scotland they would say, ‘Oh right, send me what you’ve got’, whereas there’s now a different tone. You can tell that it is now an important market,” says one agent who manages youngsters across Scotland. Scottish players have always faired well against their counterparts but after the age of 16, there seems to be a drop-off. Players who have gone south have sometimes taken time to adjust to the athleticism — an area in which Scotland have lagged for decades — but the SFA’s “performance schools” have improved that. “English clubs are not daft,” says an SFA source. “They know something has changed in Scotland because the performance schools that these young kids are training full-time from the age of 12 in a national curriculum. They seem to be producing players who can handle the ball in any environment in Europe for a fraction of the cost. “Clubs feel safer that they’ve been schooled right as they have had an individual coach for four years and the academies have got elite status now, which means there are more qualified staff in line with England. Scottish kids aren’t deemed to be one of the best in Europe but that will change with players like Gilmour doing what he is.” There may not be another Gilmour, who joined Chelsea at 16 from Rangers in a deal worth £550,000, in the next couple of years but will clubs be able to put up a fight for lesser talents? A couple of clubs are understood to have banned English scouts from their games, while others have tightened restrictions on agents and scouts attending by operating an application process, which has been around for years in England. When English clubs are interested in a player, they often invite them for a trial so they can view them against their standard of player but resistance is building to that. One club initially refused Chelsea’s request but changed their mind as they thought it was good PR for the club. Another agent who has helped complete several cross-border deals believes that once players experience the standards at elite academies in England, clubs in Scotland are already fighting a losing battle. “The reality is that sports science isn’t really a phenomenon outside of the Old Firm here,” he says “They don’t have the resources, the facilities, best v best, coaching provision. It’s a glorified boys’ club with the greatest of respect to them and I’ve found that when they’re exposed to a different type of professionalism every day they want more of it. I can’t see how training with Premier League first teams doesn’t develop them individually, or the national team later down the line. “They might play some minutes in Scotland if they stay, which for the old guard is the be-all and end-all, but who’s to say he doesn’t play until he’s 21 and stays there for the rest of his career? “If you leave a top English club, the number of branches you’re going to hit on the way far exceeds what you would at Celtic or Rangers. They haven’t been able to guarantee careers. “A lot of the English clubs aren’t selling the Phil Foden dream of being the next poster boy — they’re selling you a career. They tell you the structure, the training programme, the coaching, sports science, nutritionists, psychologists. If it doesn’t work out, then you’ve got the Championship, League One or League Two, which outweighs what clubs like Hamilton can afford to pay.” If that is difficult to counteract, then so too are the finances. At most clubs in Scotland, 16-year-olds are earning between £150 and £25o a week, unless you are an exceptional talent and the club are forced into pushing the boat out. Often the parents are offered a job by English clubs, who don’t always pay players of that age thousands of pounds a week — an attempt to keep them grounded — but the wages quickly increase. Indeed, there have been deals where players are earning £3,000 to £4,000 a week or a total package in excess of £1 million offered to the family. Many anticipate it will make the Old Firm’s attempts to scoop up the best of the rest more difficult but it is understood that there has been a gentleman’s agreement between Scottish clubs to pause the signing of players from rival clubs during the pandemic, even if several deals are thought to be all but done. If players do start leaving at 16 instead of signing a professional contract at their Scottish club, then the buying club is liable to pay training compensation set by FIFA. There are different categories of payments involved, which depend on the level of the club, but from the ages of 12 to 15 the fee is set at €10,000 per year of development, which works out at €40,000 at 16. “It falls way short of what it truly costs to develop a young player,” says a chief executive. “Those figures have not been reviewed for years despite everyone’s costs increasing, so the margin has been squeezed. The potential for lost revenue is also a factor as we could potentially sell him for millions in a few years. “That cannot be right but unless you are prepared to accept a deal — and inevitably that means taking less money — you have very little economic rights to the player in the future by way of sell-on clauses. You can scrape solidarity (payments) depending on where he moves but sell-on percentages and add-ons have actually been more lucrative than the initial transfers so to lose all these things because English clubs are going to become more aggressive is going to be a bitter pill to swallow, unless we can find a solution.” It may not be entirely by the book but one method of securing a talented player’s future before they turn 16 is the concept of a “pre-pro” contract, which multiple sources say several clubs are using to tie down their players in advance. The Athletic has been told that across the SPFL some players have signed undated contracts as young as 14, which clubs keep to register when they turn 16. Others have explored part-time contracts, which are legal from the age of 14 for “light work”, while it is also claimed that in exceptional cases, some clubs disguise payments as expenses to parents as a means of securing their future, though no examples of this have yet come to light. When the English clubs do come calling, though, the promise of riches and elite facilities is difficult for players to turn down. Another academy director believes that accelerating the pathway to the first team is the only way to compete against what is on offer elsewhere. “We’re open to working with clubs but it has to benefit the player and the club,” he says. “We have 10 English clubs coming to watch our under-18 game and to see certain players. “Through agents and the family, clubs have ways to get in their heads to stop them signing that first contract at 16, but we will only deal with clubs who come through the front door and conduct their business in a professional manner. “If we think it works well to that individual player’s plan, then we’ll entertain it, but a young player might think that their best chance to have a long-term or sustainable career is to play 60-80 games in the Premiership and then move down when he’s at a level closer to the first-team. At 16, you have to go under-16s, 18s, 23s and then the first team, so there is still a lot of development to do there. “Kids are only looking down south or other options because they don’t see enough kids getting their opportunities they think they deserve. That’s when facilities and money become more attractive but if you get them into the first team at 17 or 18 and you’re playing on TV, that’s more attractive than anything else. “There has been a lot of great work done at academies in recent years, and we’re starting to see green shoots from that, but how many minutes are boys actually playing? We need to offer that pathway. “Academies have never had a higher value because clubs can’t afford to go and spend money on wages and fees, however, if they cut back on academies they dilute that chance.” His stance is that any deal they do would have to amount to more than just an isolated transfer. It would have to be the start of a relationship where they could, for example, benefit from access to tournaments in England and coaching trips to exchange best practice. He is not alone. The rise of associated clubs — made popular by the City Football Group, which has a network of 10 teams across the globe — is thought to be one way that English clubs could circumvent the ban on signing EU players younger than 18. In theory, clubs could have another European club sign them and allow them to develop there for a couple of years before bringing them to the UK. If this becomes a popular method, then it may ease the spotlight on Scottish talent. It is not all doom and gloom, though, as Hibernian sporting director Graeme Mathie believes there is potential for clubs to benefit from the interest. He revealed that Hibs have agreed to enter into a partnership with a lower-league club, who want to plan loan moves for 15 and 16-year-olds 18 months in advance. “They now see themselves as part of our development process,” he says, stressing that it is a deeply integrated relationship that covers various areas of development. Hibs have just secured the future of 16-year-old goalkeeper Murray Johnson, who several English clubs were interested in, on a three-year professional deal. Mathie admits it is beneficial to the club that they have him on a professional deal, as they will now be entitled to a transfer fee should he leave, but he believes the timing is key to these decisions. “We need to be careful what we are talking about,” says Mathie. “If they (an English club) want to take him down to be an under-18s goalie, then I’d have a really open discussion with his family and his agent and ask if that is what he wants to do, because we think we can offer a pathway to adult football sooner. “When you look at the correlation between those who play at youth level and those who play senior level, it doesn’t really add up. It’s not always that the most talented 16 and 17 year-olds make it to become the top players. That’s not because they go to England or abroad but we need to figure out what paths they take as there hasn’t been a huge number who have gone down and progressed.” He is frustrated more English clubs have not been as receptive to his suggestion of partnering, with Hibs the smaller fish in this food chain. “If we use Josh Doig (Hibs’ highly-rated 18-year-old left-back) as an example: we have him on a decent length of contract, he played the first 10 or 11 games and people phoned me up in the first transfer window to sound out on his availability,” says Mathie. “In all these conversations I said, ‘Well, what level do we think he can get to?’ What we’ve started discussing is how we make Josh or any other player into a Premier League first-team player. “Are there things we can give them that they can’t? If that’s beneficial for a period of time great, but then the English club might think they can improve his athleticism with their extra resources and want to take a handle on that. “I want to work with a club who see us as an extension of what they do, as that makes it a lot easier to deal with fees and everything else. That might be over-simplistic — that would be utopia if we can get to that point — but I’m convinced that this is a model that we can start to live by in Scotland.” Others were more sceptical of that type of arrangement, citing the “need for competitive tension in the market to drive up prices”. Agents play a central role in that and, after more than a year of talks over strengthening their regulation in Scotland, it is understood that a majority of clubs are in favour of introducing stricter rules. In April 2015, FIFA made major changes to its agent licensing system, abolishing the “Player’s Agents Regulations” and replacing it with “Regulations on Working with Intermediaries”. The Scottish FA chose not to add to those minimum standards unlike the English FA, where agents have to undergo a “test of good character and reputation”, as well as a criminal record check. Agents should earn between three and five per cent of the worth of any contract they help broker, but the lack of regulations in Scotland has led to young players being targeted well before the age of 16. “We’ve got kids being targeted on Instagram and Facebook every day,” said an agent. “One dad said he was being bombarded with agents on social media at 16. The SFA say they have raised it but nothing ever seems to be done about it. I know an agent in England who only spoke to a player to ask for a phone number for his dad and he was reported and banned for six months.” Another recalls how he recently secured an under-16s player in Scotland after another agent had tried to sell the potential of moving to England or abroad, something he finds distasteful and akin to a “meat market”. Some may look to make a quick buck by pushing players to move clubs but it is accepted that many others genuinely act in the best interests of their players, even if it costs them hundreds of thousands of pounds by staying in Scotland. It is not just losing academy players that is making clubs apprehensive. The Athletic understands that the Professional Game Board in Scotland has instructed research to be undertaken on the number of players who would not have been permitted to work in the country under the proposed new regulations. The English FA’s work permit rules, a points-based system agreed with the Home Office, means that those who have played at least 70 per cent of international matches for a top 50-ranked nation over a two-year period will be automatically granted a Governing Body Endorsement (GBE). There are concerns, however, about how this will affect Scottish clubs’ ability to complement their squad with foreign signings, given the relatively minuscule budgets outside of the Old Firm. “It has been exacerbated by the government’s lack of understanding of the differences between the markets,” says a Premiership chief executive. “You simply cannot take a one-size-fits-all approach when it comes to determining these rules. “Our clubs aren’t rammed full of foreign players but we’ve got to have the ability like our counterparts across Europe to be in that marketplace. If that is made draconian then it is going to make life difficult, coupled with the fact that we will be offered very little protection when it comes to the transfer of youth players to England. “It’s almost death by a thousand cuts if our buying market becomes insular and we have to double down on an academy where the battle to keep our players until an age we can sell for a transfer fee is going to be even more difficult. “You’ve got to have some ability to react to that because, if we don’t, trying to develop young players in Scotland is almost going to become a hobby rather than a key part of our business model. “You’ve got clubs already who have started looking at how much it is costing them to run an academy as every penny is going to be a prisoner in the post-COVID world. If your margin from producing players continues to be squeezed, it’s going to lead clubs to ask, ‘What are we doing this for?'” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,184 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 West Brom, Slaven Bilic and the Jurassic Football insignia Sign up now! Sign up now! Sign up now? Sign up now! What’s that coming over the hill? It’s Sam Allardyce, isn’t it? Photograph: Mark Robinson NMC Pool Barry Glendenning @bglendenning BEING HELD BY MANCHESTER CITY PROVED THE LAST STRAW When you’re expecting a kick in the swingers and you get punched in the face instead, it could be argued you’ve had a decent result. But when you’re expecting a clap on the back for a job well done only to get handed your P45, then you could be forgiven for feeling decidedly aggrieved. A penny, then, for the thoughts of Slaven Bilic, who has been sacked despite masterminding West Brom’s promotion to the Premier League and, most recently, a highly commendable draw at Manchester City. A good result by any standards, it wasn’t enough to keep Bilic in his job and he’s now become the first top-flight manager this season ushered unceremoniously through the door marked ‘Do One!’ “West Bromwich Albion have today parted company with head coach Slaven Bilic,” announced the club in a terse statement. “The Baggies are currently 19th in the Premier League table with seven points from 13 fixtures. Albion would like to thank Slaven and his coaching staff for their efforts in achieving promotion last season and wishes them all well in the future.” While fairly brutal in tone, one can’t help but feel Bilic will be only too happy to leave with his contract paid up as he seemed decidedly miserable with his lot at the Hawthorns in recent months. West Brom in talks with Sam Allardyce after sacking Slaven Bilic Read more Looking more ashen-faced and disgruntled than he does even at the best of times, everyone’s favourite curmudgeonly Croatian has had the look about him of a man who deserves much better. A club whose overlords don’t sell players against his wishes, perhaps. And one that gives him more than tuppence ha’penny and a handful of beans to spend on helping fulfil the second part of his brief after he’s successfully achieved the first by winning promotion. And what of West Brom? What do they deserve? The Fiver isn’t quite sure but it looks as if they might be about to get it. Showing the kind of stunning lack of imagination that has seen them boing-boing between the Premier League and Championship in recent times, they appear to have illuminated the Jurassic Football insignia in the night sky over the Hawthorns and the early indications are that it is about to be answered. Yes, just 31 years after beginning his fledgling management career as reserve-team player coach at West Brom, it looks like Sam Allardyce is finally going to get a long overdue promotion. LIVE ON BIG WEBSITE! Join Barry Glendenning from 6pm GMT for hot MBM coverage of Arsenal 2-2 Southampton in the Premier League, before Rob Smyth guides you through Liverpool 2-2 Tottenham at 8pm. QUOTE OF THE DAY “It’s disgusting, to be honest. What was a really good night for us on the pitch was overshadowed by a real small minority that decide to boo in a moment when we’re reflecting the values that everyone at our club believes in. Inequality, racism, all these things that need kicking out of society” – Cambridge United manager Mark Bonner hits out at the behaviour of fans who booed as the players took a knee before his side’s League Two win over Colchester. RECOMMENDED LISTENING The latest Football Weekly special focuses on dementia in the game and is well worth your time. 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RECOMMENDED SHOPPING Available at our print shop now, Tom Jenkins’s pictures of the past decade. There’s also this Gazza picture, one of Pelé and a Kenny Dalglish one too. NEWS, BITS AND BOBS Rule-making body, Ifab, has approved two trials of concussion substitutes that will come into effect from next month. EFL suits insist Sunderland had the option to postpone their League One draw with Wimbledon after the squad was struck by Covid-19, leaving them without eight players. “That game should have been called off, no doubt,” said manager Lee Johnson. “I can’t help but feel angry, frustrated. At the moment, I am not sure who I am angry at.” Frank Lampard’s Chelsea manager Frank Lampard is feeling funky after their second defeat in four days, this time a 2-1 reverse at Wolves. “We should have seen the game out,” he tooted. “This is the Premier League. If you don’t perform, you lose games.” Pedro Neto after his injury-time winner. Photograph: Anna Gowthorpe/BPI/Rex/Shutterstock Newcastle boss Bernard Cribbins has been delving into his bucket of faint praise to drizzle on the squad. “They might not be breathtaking on the eye but they grasp what Newcastle is,” he parped. “At certain times they might lack a little bit of quality but you can’t knock them.” A 2-0 defeat at Nottingham Forest means Tony Pulis has now overseen the worst eight-game start by any manager in Sheffield Wednesday history. “I can’t fault the effort, the commitment of the players, but it’s not enough,” he sighed. And Northampton academy player Jack Maltby-Smith, 12, has helped raise more than £5,000 to feed 300 local families after being inspired by Marcus Rashford. “It makes me a bit emotional, to be honest,” he said. “I just feel so proud.” STILL WANT MORE? Barney Ronay looks ahead to Liverpool v Tottenham, a potentially titanic battle of the top two but one where, and somewhat disappointingly, Jürg and José actually seem to like each other. Connor Roberts, the Swansea defender, tells Ben Fisher of a passion for carpentry that has seen him build dining tables, desks, dog bowls, birdhouses and wine caddies. Footwear to make The Fiver blush. Photograph: Connor Roberts Have boots, will travel. Scott Parker, Peter Crouch, Kei Kamara and of course John Burridge. Plus 4-4 draws in this week’s Knowledge. Alejandro Pozuelo, Darlington, Philadelphia Union and Columbus Crew feature in this year’s MLS end-of-season awards. Oh, and if it’s your thing … you can follow Big Website on Big Social FaceSpace. And INSTACHAT, TOO! WAIT, WHAT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strike 7,490 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Liverpool clear by 3 points despite having a terrible year tells you everything really. Hope talk of a Chelsea title challenge are over now. Lampard should concentrate on racking up 70+ points for a comfortable top 4 finish. It is a bit like the Championship this year from 2nd to mid-table and anyone can look like genuine top 4 contenders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomiswave 6,117 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Good, I hope now all the bs talk about Chels being contenders etc is thrown out, hope the media too shuts up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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