Middlesbrough 1-0 Chelsea

[robsblubot 3,595]

I don't particularly care too much about whether Poch remains or not. He's a decent manager which is fine for this squad--a better manager would be wasted here and would just come to collect his paycheck. 

Poch organized the defense in my view. The conceded goals are mostly individual mistakes, some down to inexperience (including the goalies here too).

Up front is mostly down to player quality. "developing" attacking mids and forwards is down to no more than tactical tweaks and adjustments. It's up to them to have enough quality to execute the attacking tasks. That's precisely the difference between City having an option like Haaland vs not.

So, while I understand the disappointment with the manager, esp when he protects the group of players with ridiculous statements, IMO the manager is almost irrelevant with this roster.

7 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Palmer was hardly bullied though? He isn’t a number 9 but he had the best chances and they all came from either his intuition or individual skill. Should of scored at least one, maybe 2 including his first chance which was desperately unlucky after he did the hard bit anticipating and intercepting the pass. He cannot do it all by himself though - already we are heavily far too reliant on him.

Was merely suggesting that players can be affected by physical game -- not necessarily a straight out bullying. Many defenders/DMs use the subterfuge of throwing very hard tackles in the beginning of the match to intimidate players. The idea is that it may remain in the player's subconscious and throw off their game--even if just a little. Heck often players sitting on the bench can be intimidated by just watching what is going on on the pitch.

Edited January 9, 2024 by robsblubot

[chelsea_4_eva 1,182]

Vital to get an early goal in the second leg.. but with the way we're wasting chances.. we would need 3 chances before scoring one.

[cosmicway 1,333]

Thank heavens it's two legged:

https://www.livescore.com/en/news/mauricio-pochettino-Chelsea-middlesbrough-efl-cup-reaction-2024010922444708504/

[cosmicway 1,333]

Loudspeaker announcement heard in the old days of football:

if there is a doctor in the terraces would he please come to the pitch

Loudspeaker announcement at the bridge today:

if there is a football manager in the terraces would he please come to the pitch

[cosmicway 1,333]

Middlesbrough, from the sheepshagging depths of the country. Who fcuking else ???

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

They’ll probably beat us in the second leg as well wouldn’t be surprised. If they do Poch has to go.

[Reddish-Blue 2,506]

42 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

They’ll probably beat us in the second leg as well wouldn’t be surprised. If they do Poch has to go.

I doubt that would be the signal for Poch to go.   This will be dragged out similar to previous managers to the point where the players will give up again and then the owners will be "forced" to make the call. 

[cosmicway 1,333]

1 hour ago, OneMoSalah said:

They’ll probably beat us in the second leg as well wouldn’t be surprised. If they do Poch has to go.

I believe the days of powerful venues are gone in football.
So they will beat us, yeah.

[cosmicway 1,333]

7 hours ago, robsblubot said:

Was merely suggesting that players can be affected by physical game -- not necessarily a straight out bullying. Many defenders/DMs use the subterfuge of throwing very hard tackles in the beginning of the match to intimidate players. The idea is that it may remain in the player's subconscious and throw off their game--even if just a little. Heck often players sitting on the bench can be intimidated by just watching what is going on on the pitch.

It's the same for everyone from the premier to Viet Nam first division.

[Laylabelle 9,535]

1 hour ago, OneMoSalah said:

They’ll probably beat us in the second leg as well wouldn’t be surprised. If they do Poch has to go.

If they score first then it's game over..we're not scoring 2 if we do that performance again. Hopefully after say 20 attempts however we'll be able to score...less be lovely

No shame losing to Boro. They're hardly divisons behind us but the way it was done. We didn't look like scoring and made it so easy for them 

Edited January 10, 2024 by Laylabelle

[cosmicway 1,333]

30 minutes ago, Laylabelle said:

 

No shame losing to Boro. They're hardly divisons behind us but the way it was done. We didn't look like scoring and made it so easy for them 

No shame losing to Bradford City in 2015 - it was odd man out result.
Now we are living in the age of the Boehly-Poch "achievements".

[Special Juan 28,141]

That was fucking horrific, in my 33 years as a fan that was one of the worst performances I have ever seen from us.

Forget the misses because that's just us, we are shite in front of goal but the chances we had all came from Boro mistakes we created fuck all. They sat in, which they will do in the second leg, set up camp because Carrick and Woodgate knew we can't break teams down and they targeted Colwill at LB.

The atmosphere in the stands last night was toxic and only 4 of them came over to clap the fans who traveled hundreds of miles to be there. Silva came over and had back and forth with a few fans and the rest just fucked off on their merry way, fucking joke they are.

The football is dross, it was like watching a league 2 side last night. Some of these players like Disasi, Mudryk, Enzo, Caicedo, Sterling, Madueke are fucking terrible, they have got no fucking heart or fight about them.

The club is rotten from the top to the bottom

 

 

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

2 hours ago, Reddish-Blue said:

I doubt that would be the signal for Poch to go.   This will be dragged out similar to previous managers to the point where the players will give up again and then the owners will be "forced" to make the call. 

Well tbf, for me, I think most top managers would look at this job and think fuck that. For a magnitude of reasons.

In the past with Roman, you knew once results went to shit and expectations weren’t being met that the next permanent managers instructions would be get the team back being really competitive and winning trophies. Or they would be out. There is a clear pattern in the last 15-20 years, when we changed managers, we usually ended up winning trophies until that cycle happens again.

There is next to nothing positive that has come out of these past 18 months or longer with Boehly & ClownLake. Nothing what so ever. Nothing that would excite any genuine top managers if we were to change Poch. Our best finish with them was right at beginning when they took over when Tuchel got us 3rd place. In the 2 full seasons - when this one finishes can’t fucking come soon enough - our finishes we’ve finished 12th & will likely be around 8-12th this season. There doesn’t seem to be any real ambition to be successful now from the club, it seems very much a long term strategy. And a risky one at that.

Then not to mention the lack of quality in the squad, the recruitment criteria/profile, the fact that spending a lot of money is going to be difficult as we already have spunked £1bn in 3 windows, no European football next season again (90% sure on this)… what top top manager is going to go yeah this Chelsea project is what I want to go and get involved in. 

Edited January 10, 2024 by OneMoSalah

[cosmicway 1,333]

Against Villa in the FA cup we are dead meat.

[James 5,331]

Spot on

[gdlk 286]

Poch will stay few more months, when we go close to relegation zone.. That clown had whole summer and half season and we still look like amateur club from 3rd division with not clear view of what football we are playing.. 

Players are lost on the pitch and we relly only on individual flashes from someone of them.. No atacking pattern, no defensive, nothing at all. 

And when someone like robsut says that coach isnt guilty for atack style and play, but only depends on individual qualities, then he doesnt understand anything on that thing called football

Edited January 10, 2024 by gdlk

[Special Juan 28,141]

Sick of hearing the Spurs cunt droan on about processes and project bullshit. 

Fucking no identity and no fucker has improved under him 

[nyikolajevics 2,700]

6 hours ago, cosmicway said:

Against Villa in the FA cup we are dead meat.

Let's see. Villa is not in their best shape and they need to push PL and still out in Europe. Not sure how sharp they will be at the Bridge. Ofc if we play like Yesterday then doesn't matter..

 

By the way, if we make it into the final with Liverpool, then we'll qualify to ECL even if we lose, right? But if we face Fulham, we must win, is that right?

[robsblubot 3,595]

4 hours ago, James said:

Spot on

The rebuild is definitely a good point, the unmentioned "how" wasn't.
Several teams had to rebuild in this, or previous seasons, and they did not all go for 19-22s with 5+ year deals. This was a very novel approach for a big club--hope folks would emphasize that aspect more.

[ZAPHOD2319 4,818]

2 minutes ago, robsblubot said:

The rebuild is definitely a good point, the unmentioned "how" wasn't.
Several teams had to rebuild in this, or previous seasons, and they did not all go for 19-22s with 5+ year deals. This was a very novel approach for a big club--hope folks would emphasize that aspect more.

It was a bad plan to not keep key "seasoned" players. Kids just will not have the club house presence to really push other players when they get tight in a game. It is what it is, I will moan and still be here.