Pizy 18,985 Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 Think Rom would definitely get us 20 PL goals but I’m not sure he dramatically improves our title odds. Can see him doing well against lesser teams but struggling against the top ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mário César 1,327 Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Pizy said: Think Rom would definitely get us 20 PL goals but I’m not sure he dramatically improves our title odds. Can see him doing well against lesser teams but struggling against the top ones. More than that I guess. If he scores against lesser teams it will be fine. There are more weak teams in the league that strongers lol and are the same 3 points. Edited July 21, 2021 by Mário César Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDA 9,983 Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 Not sold on Lukaku but fuck it... it's better than having no put and out goalscorer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mário César 1,327 Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 Well, we need to be realistic. If we don't chance to got halaand this season with the honour of be champions of the champions league, next year, its almost IMPOSSIBLE to get him.... so... if we can't afford halaand, we need to get another player and Lukaku is not a bad choice, there aren't much more options Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 14 minutes ago, Pizy said: Think Rom would definitely get us 20 PL goals but I’m not sure he dramatically improves our title odds. Can see him doing well against lesser teams but struggling against the top ones. Funny you mentioned that because Matt Law said something along those lines regarding Haaland, in that he’s not convinced he would immediately hit the ground running and score many goals because of the whole Bundesliga tax thing if he were to come here and may need some time to adjust, which represents a gamble for the money involved (transfer fee + wages + agent fees). Regarding Lukaku, I’d find it hard that the club would be willing to pay somewhere around 100 million to sign him when he’s already 28 years old and would have next to no resale value for the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 8 minutes ago, Mário César said: Well, we need to be realistic. If we don't chance to got halaand this season with the honour of be champions of the champions league, next year, its almost IMPOSSIBLE to get him.... so... if we can't afford halaand, we need to get another player and Lukaku is not a bad choice, there aren't much more options I feel like people are overplaying this ‘European Champions’ attraction card too much. Yes, we may be the Champions of Europe right now but players aren’t just gonna join blindly because of that. Am sure people are not blind to the fact that we have won only 2 league titles in the last decade and we were irrelevant in Europe for so many years before last season. That’s like only 3 major titles in the last decade. We might have also won the FA Cup and Europa League but am sure the really big players don’t care too much about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mário César 1,327 Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Jas said: I feel like people are overplaying this ‘European Champions’ attraction card too much. Yes, we may be the Champions of Europe right now but players aren’t just gonna join blindly because of that. Am sure people are not blind to the fact that we have won only 2 league titles in the last decade and we were irrelevant in Europe for so many years before last season. That’s like only 3 major titles in the last decade. We might have also won the FA Cup and Europa League but am sure the really big players don’t care too much about that. Van Dijk, Alisson, Sancho... Liverpool won nothing before get them and united dont know how to win in for years... Only city won in england more than us but we won 2 ucl in in the last 10 years Edited July 21, 2021 by Mário César Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,985 Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, Jas said: Funny you mentioned that because Matt Law said something along those lines regarding Haaland, in that he’s not convinced he would immediately hit the ground running and score many goals because of the whole Bundesliga tax thing if he were to come here and may need some time to adjust, which represents a gamble for the money involved (transfer fee + wages + agent fees). Regarding Lukaku, I’d find it hard that the club would be willing to pay somewhere around 100 million to sign him when he’s already 28 years old and would have next to no resale value for the future. I think Haaland is the closest thing to a guaranteed instant success there is. His combo of pace, power, and skill will be highly effective in any league. Lukaku on the other hand has the pace and power but is still pretty average on the ball and struggles against defenses that isolate him. He will still have patches where he’ll frustrate the hell out of you with poor touches or close control. Anyway, it’s so frustrating how things have lined up for us. We’re in the strongest position we’ve been in since winning the league with Conte. Even stronger actually. And yet our options are so extremely limited at the striker position so we’re basically paralyzed. Also the fact that transfer fees are so stratospheric these days we can’t simply bully smaller clubs than us into selling. Every one of these world class strikers (Haaland, Kane, Lukaku) are a minimum of £100m. And then there’s just a massive drop off to the next tier of strikers who aren’t the level we need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 6 minutes ago, Mário César said: Van Dijk, Alisson, Sancho... Liverpool won nothing before get them and united dont know how to win in for years... You mentioned those players and yet earlier you said it’s almost impossible to sign Haaland without being the Champions of Europe. Being league champions or European Champions is great and all but things could go either way when it comes to attracting players. Jorginho, for example, rejected City for us (largely due to Sarri) even though they were the English champions back then. 10 minutes ago, Pizy said: I think Haaland is the closest thing to a guaranteed instant success there is. His combo of pace, power, and skill will be highly effective in any league. Lukaku on the other hand has the pace and power but is still pretty average on the ball and struggles against defenses that isolate him. He will still have patches where he’ll frustrate the hell out of you with poor touches or close control. Easy to say that about Haaland when he’s still in the Bundesliga and not in the Premier League. I mean, his goalscoring record is great and all but it’s easy to forget that he’s still only 21 years old and he still is not the finished article. He still also hasn’t challenged for the league title or led a team to the league title in a major league. Not advocating for Lukaku here but compared to Haaland, he has all the experience and has actually led a side to the title in a major league (whether people think Serie A is crap or not is another debate altogether). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whats happening 1,633 Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 49 minutes ago, Jas said: - On Haaland, nothing new. Nothing is happening. Both clubs' position is clear. We want him but no inclination from Dortmund that they would sell Haaland this summer. All depends on how long we want to drag out the interest this summer before going for alternatives (if we haven't already). lets hope by doing nothing that the situation will change 🤡 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,985 Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 4 minutes ago, Jas said: You mentioned those players and yet earlier you said it’s almost impossible to sign Haaland without being the Champions of Europe. Being league champions or European Champions is great and all but things could go either way when it comes to attracting players. Jorginho, for example, rejected City for us (largely due to Sarri) even though they were the English champions back then. Easy to say that about Haaland when he’s still in the Bundesliga and not in the Premier League. I mean, his goalscoring record is great and all but it’s easy to forget that he’s still only 21 years old and he still is not the finished article. He still also hasn’t challenged for the league title or led a team to the league title in a major league. Not advocating for Lukaku here but compared to Haaland, he has all the experience and has actually led a side to the title in a major league (whether people think Serie A is crap or not is another debate altogether). He also dominated in the CL tbf. I just don’t think there’s any risk at all of him struggling. He just seems like someone who is ultra confident and has a monster mentality. I can’t imagine him pulling a Werner or Torres and having their confidence sapped like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 God, i really thought the days of panicking we were going to resign Lukaku were over. Yes he will score goals but we will be a worse overall team (compared to what we've seen under TT so far). Muzchap 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avrobsws 29 Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 6 hours ago, Special Juan said: Lukaku is coming. It's either Haaland or Lewandowski but not Lukaku. Investing on him is a waste. Warning_Hazard, Muzchap and Pepic95 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 6 hours ago, Pizy said: He also dominated in the CL tbf. I just don’t think there’s any risk at all of him struggling. He just seems like someone who is ultra confident and has a monster mentality. I can’t imagine him pulling a Werner or Torres and having their confidence sapped like that. The point isn't about struggling but needing time to adapt to the league etc (Havertz anyone?). Werner's issue was not really the adaptation but the conversion rate, which can happen in any league. And would you have said that about Werner this time last year anyway? Everyone is always confident in life when things are going well until they don't. 6 hours ago, Tomo said: God, i really thought the days of panicking we were going to resign Lukaku were over. Yes he will score goals but we will be a worse overall team (compared to what we've seen under TT so far). Can't see the move for Lukaku happening, mainly due to the finances involved and for someone that will have no resale value whatsoever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,187 Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 Barkley to WHU watch this one....loan. Warning_Hazard 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styl1994 188 Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 I don’t understand why people are buying the Lukaku rumours? Seems like a smokescreen to me I doubt Chelsea would pay 90-100m for a 28 year old and give him a 5 year contract with wages like 300k-350k a week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blues Forever 1,232 Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,985 Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 If only we could sell off our first team deadwood as effectively as we are our highly prized youth prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kante 1,643 Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Pizy said: If only we could sell off our first team deadwood as effectively as we are our highly prized youth prospects. Not going to happen. It is kind of like a Barca situation but with lower figures. I mean seriously, where are we finding a crack head who will pay any of the following wages: Kepa - £170k a week Baka - £110k a week Drinky - £100k a week Batsh*t - £110k a week RLC - £120k a week Barkley - £100k a week I am sorry, but those players above are sunk costs, we are not getting a fee for them, because no one is insane enough to pay those wages. At best we get a loan with wages covered, however most will require subsidised wages and forget about a loan fee. Then you also have the following players who we may be able to get a small fee/small loan fee for (but we have trouble as other teams know we have a weak hand in negotiations): Zappa - £80k a week Emerson - £50k a week In total, those 8 players cost us £850k a week or £44.2m a year. That is also before you get to people like Alonso (I actually count him as usable so don't mind him, but I know others do), Baba, Baker, Miazga and Sarr who probably push us past the £1m a week/£52m a year stage. That is essentially all our transfer income so far, maintaining their wages. People talk about these players as rubbish/deadwood but forget that other teams will see them as not great either and won't go anywhere near their wages as a result and/or hardball us. The youth players are a complete different kettle of fish, they all have low wages, have a lot of potential upside and can be had for low fees. Edited July 22, 2021 by King Kante Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warning_Hazard 156 Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 2 hours ago, Special Juan said: Barkley to WHU watch this one....loan. Maybe Rice comes in for barks loan and some cash? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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