Chelsea Transfers

[Vesper 28,796]

On 07/07/2023 at 19:41, Hashishi said:

I really don't like this board anymore. People just defending the stupidity of the leadership. Am I not allowed to criticise boehly without people comparing how much better he is than the old leadership? 

No, people are just surgically dissecting your positings and you don't like being challenged over your hagiographic revisionism along with your near doomsday level pessimism for the present and future.

simples

We have all (or almost all) have had massive goes at Boehly, when he WAS FUCKING UP, but atm we truly seem to have turned the ship around, and more than a bit.

Steep learning curve, but it is ludicrous to say the club is destroyed atm.

IF Boehly had not hired any actual football directors, and attempted to run it all himself (along with the Clearlake lads), then yes, I can envision how the club would be destroyed, but the bloke is not a fool, he is a damn sharp businessman with previous sporting experience who is learning the footballing world, and in that learning curve he resigned as Sporting Director 7 months ago.

to paraphrase:

Rome wasn't destroyed (or set up to be entering a decline cycle of several years in our club's case) in a day, and it won't be rebuilt in one either.

We had enough good inertia built up over 17 years to wrench out another CL win and finally win the World Club championship (and the Super Cup for the first time under Roman), but the club was massively fraying at the seams, starting with the UK Home Office denying Roman his visa years ago, which lead him to pulling the plug (heartbreakingly) on that monster new incredible 'Gothic stone temple to football' stadium.

Combine that with some horrific contract management and too many shambolic buys, and the writing portending a decline was already etched upon the wall.

Almost all the monster clubs who were monsters when Roman bought us (so remove Citeh and PSG) have had (or are having) issues.

Barca

Juve

Pool ( a long period of decline after they scaped their CL in 2005, until Klopp came)

Manure (they have been a trophy wreck overall since Fergie left and if not for Moscow and Terry's slip, they would be on a 25 straight year run of no CL finals wins, and ONE in the last 56 years, and only TWO ever 'best team on the planet' claims in 146 years of football, and that is even being generous, as they lost the 1968 Intercontinental Cup over 2 legs to Estudiantes (led by the great MFer Juan Ramón Verón, Juan Sebastián Verón's father) following their first CL/EC win in 1968)

Arse (on the rise now after a LONG period of massive decline)

AC Milan

Inter

Ajax was already no longer a top massive club anymore when Roman bought us.

Plus Bayern almost lost the league, and are not remotely close to the machine that won the CL in a trot a few years back.

One of the 2 new monsters, PSG have never won the CL and are in a hot mess with Mbappe, Neymar etc atm,, and lost Messi. I do suspect they fix themselves, but nothing is guaranteed, especially that first CL (look how long it took Citeh).

Only the other new monster (Citeh) is riding high (as in top of the heap), along with Real Madrid (if they freshen it up and make smart buys, which they very likely will).

Even Real had two massive gaps between being the top club on the planet.

32 years (from 1966 to 1998) with no CL final win, and then, after winning it 3 out of 5 years (1998, 2000 (and they and Manure were hammered in the 2000 FIFA World Club Cup, neither even made the final, the only two European teams ever to not even make the final), and 2002) 12 more drought years (2002 to 2014) as well, despite INSANE Galactico spending in the noughties whilst chasing La Décima.

 

Edited July 9, 2023 by Vesper

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29 minutes ago, shrenshah said:

Cucu hate is warranted based on last season

I am much more angered over the fact we dropped £118m on him. If he was just a Emerson/Baba/Zappacosta level buy, then not so much.

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5 hours ago, Reddish-Blue said:

Isn't the Valencia keeper being linked to Bayern?   We can't compete with them

We'll probably end up with Raya on deadline day for 25 million or something along those lines

There's also Yann Sommer in the market. In case club is looking at backup while they evaluate Slonina

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2 hours ago, shrenshah said:

Cucu hate is warranted based on last season

Cucurella hate is based on the transfer fee paid for an average player.   If we had signed Cucurella for 25-30 million (like what City originally proposed), I wouldn't have cared that much. 

2 hours ago, lucio said:

Cucarella and gallagher are actually awful though 

Not sure why Gallagher gets so much hate.  He's literally what you want for a HG squad player who is actually keen on playing for the club.   

Unlike his buddy Mount who couldn't wait to join Manchester United for an extra 50k a week. 

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10 minutes ago, Reddish-Blue said:

Cucurella hate is based on the transfer fee paid for an average player.   If we had signed Cucurella for 25-30 million (like what City originally proposed), I wouldn't have cared that much. 

Not sure why Gallagher gets so much hate.  He's literally what you want for a HG squad player who is actually keen on playing for the club.   

Unlike his buddy Mount who couldn't wait to join Manchester United for an extra 50k a week. 

Cucurella as competition to Chilwell was 90% of the forums wet dream when we were linked to him because he had an “amazing season at Brighton” and was their POTY. A year later he should he sold…. He was always going to be over priced (most of players that we have signed under the new ownership have been) but theres a more than decent player there. Mentally he needs to get used to the pressure of when you make a mistake at a big club there is a lot more pressure than at Brighton and that you need to play well to play regularly at a big club. Looks like he was afraid of expressing himself and would crumble at the thought of taking a risk. 

Caicedo if we get him will also be very overpriced but again, is everyone’s wet dream. If he has a poor year it will be the same though - sell him, overrated bla bla bla. I have no doubts he have to make the same adjustments mentally as Cucurella has to, to adjust to high pressure, to have the personality or lack of meaning he will either sink or swim when things are going poorly.

Gallagher & Mount no comparison quality wise. Lets be honest, we would all of rather kept Mount who has shown he can actually be a quality player if he was going to be in and around the squad and not a guaranteed starter (think Poch would of made a huge improvement on him like EtH will) than Gallagher who runs about like a headless chicken and is technically not remotely close to the level required to play regularly for Chelsea and even for England at international level. But Mount plays for United now so its always going to be that narrative now.

 

@Strike Sommer going Inter for Onana replacement apparently. Almost signed there in January - went Bayern instead.

Edited July 8, 2023 by OneMoSalah

[lucio 5,418]

25 minutes ago, Reddish-Blue said:

Cucurella hate is based on the transfer fee paid for an average player.   If we had signed Cucurella for 25-30 million (like what City originally proposed), I wouldn't have cared that much. 

Not sure why Gallagher gets so much hate.  He's literally what you want for a HG squad player who is actually keen on playing for the club.   

Unlike his buddy Mount who couldn't wait to join Manchester United for an extra 50k a week. 

He played pretty much every game last season , 35 appearances in the league and played v Madrid . Way too much for someone way out of his depth. He can stay and play cup matches at most , if he’s a regular we are in serious trouble 

[Gundalf 804]

Was Cucurella really that bad?

[dimmas 126]

Actually for me, compare him to chilwell, doesn't mean much

since chilwell also give so many medicore performance, even without last season disaster form

Edited July 8, 2023 by dimmas

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2 minutes ago, dimmas said:

Actually him compare to chilwell doesn't mean much,

since chilwell also give so many medicore performance, even without last season disaster form

Yeah, but never gets the hate Cucu gets tbh. 

[dimmas 126]

21 hours ago, Vesper said:

Gus Poyet was proven WC AMF

Rayan Cherki has a huge way to go to get to that level

 

Poyet Honours

Real Zaragoza

Copa del Rey: 1993–94
UEFA Cup Winners' Cup: 1994–95

Chelsea

FA Cup: 1999–2000
FA Charity Shield: 2000
UEFA Cup Winners' Cup: 1997–98
UEFA Super Cup: 1998 (Defeated Real Madrid, one of only 2 euro finals they have lost in the last 40 years (since 1983), the other was the 2000 Super Cup, when Galatasaray beat them 2 - 1 on a 102nd minute golden goal by Mário Jardel)

Uruguay

Copa América: 1995

Gosh I'm sorry, i mean dimitry payet.

Cherky style of play reminds me a bit of him. Not quick lightning, but with good vision, gifted technicality, really good of low centre of gravity, football brain, creativity, comfortable with ball on his feet, someone who actually bit slow but if he can keep improving those aspects he still can shine in premier league

Edited July 8, 2023 by dimmas

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18 minutes ago, dimmas said:

Gosh I'm sorry, i mean dimitry payet.

I immediately realized you mean about him. And you did say Payet. 

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39 minutes ago, Gundalf said:

Was Cucurella really that bad?

He was not and it is not even that relevant. Who wasn't bad last season? It was an impossible task for the new comers. The only players that truly dissapointed me are those who are already at Chelsea beefore last season. Cucurella came from a very settled Brighton team, with a fluid system, to a mess of a team at Chelsea, with managers changing and all that. Not to mention his personal issues.

He got exposed in positions where he wasn't meant to be played. I am 100% sure there is a good player in there and I hope Poch will bring him to surface. 

[lucio 5,418]

48 minutes ago, Gundalf said:

Was Cucurella really that bad?

Both rubbish. Cucarella gets more hate because he was signed during our worst ever season and unlike chilwell he hasn’t won anything with us. Also he looks annoying and makes more big errors 

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11 hours ago, Hashishi said:

He already effed it beyond repair....

bullshit

if you truly think that, why are you even posting here?

according to you we are a ruint club

Edited July 8, 2023 by Vesper

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1 hour ago, NikkiCFC said:

I immediately realized you mean about him. And you did say Payet. 

they said

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which is why I thought Gus Poyet

Edited July 8, 2023 by Vesper

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1 hour ago, dimmas said:

Gosh I'm sorry, i mean dimitry payet.

Cherky style of play reminds me a bit of him. Not quick lightning, but with good vision, gifted technicality, really good of low centre of gravity, football brain, creativity, comfortable with ball on his feet, someone who actually bit slow but if he can keep improving those aspects he still can shine in premier league

all good

[DDA 9,690]

Next week is going to be a season defining week for us in the transfer market.

Big incomings hopefully 🙏 

 

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