Chelsea Transfers

[Jase 43,479]

10 minutes ago, Strike said:

Guardiola is a league winning machine. Will be tough to win a league where we need 90+ points.

So? Lukaku is supposedly one of the best strikers in the world right? He's supposedly improved in the last 2-3 years right? Then he better win us the Premier League because otherwise, what's the point? It's not like we can't win the domestic cups or even the Champions League without him.  

[Blues Forever 1,232]

 

[Strike 7,217]

3 minutes ago, Jas said:

So? Lukaku is supposedly one of the best strikers in the world right? He's supposedly improved in the last 2-3 years right? Then he better win us the Premier League because otherwise, what's the point? It's not like we can't win the domestic cups or even the Champions League without him.  

Doesn't it feel like the league is out of reach this year - with or without Lukaku? Winning the league has taken around 90 points since the Leicester 2016 win. Tuchel has made improved the team but the margins become smaller as we go closer to the top. City and Pep are league machines unfortunately.

[Azul 1,615]

Am I still reading about Lukaku's first touch? I mean seriously? It's clear that people have not been watching him play for Inter, because he's not the same player he once was.

Conte made Lukaku do drills on his own during Inter Milans training sessions. Those training sessions were to improve his first touch, and it was basically him having his back against Ranocchia whilst balls were played into him. If his first touch was bad then the drill would restart, and that drill happened all last season which significantly helped his first touch. Not only that, but Lukaku's football iq has improved a lot. His end product is amazing nowadays, and his linkup play has improved leap and bounds as well.

I'm confident that he's going to destroy the Premier League if he comes. Ever since Tuchel has been here we've created the most goalscoring chances in the league. Add the fact that we'll have a full team fit and ready to go, because of the pre-season we desperately needed. Kai Havertz will start the season being in very good form, and we know how good his link-up play is. I hope he becomes the new Lautaro for Lukaku.

Edited August 4, 2021 by Azul

[YorkshireBlue 3,122]

8 minutes ago, Azul said:

Am I still reading about Lukaku's first touch? I mean seriously? It's clear that people have not been watching him play for Inter, because he's not the same player he once was.

Conte made Lukaku do drills on his own during Inter Milans training sessions. Those training sessions were to improve his first touch, and it was basically him having his back against Ranocchia whilst balls were played into him. If his first touch was bad then the drill would restart, and that drill happened all last season which significantly helped his first touch. Not only that, but Lukaku's football iq has improved a lot. His end product is amazing nowadays, and his linkup play has improved leap and bounds as well.

I'm confident that he's going to destroy the Premier League if he comes. Ever since Tuchel has been here we've created the most goalscoring chances in the league. Add the fact that we'll have a full team fit and ready to go, because of the pre-season we desperately needed. Kai Havertz will start the season being in very good form, and we know how good his link-up play is. I hope he becomes the new Lautaro for Lukaku.

Finally a level headed guy!!!! Glad to see some 1 who has done his research rather than just post absolute bollocks.

[Azul 1,615]

3 minutes ago, BluesMadLad said:

Finally a level headed guy!!!! Glad to see some 1 who has done his research rather than just post absolute bollocks.

I watch Serie A a lot with my brother, so I'm baffled at what I'm reading on this forum😂

I hate when fans that don't even watch Inter have the nerve to assess Lukaku as a player.

Edited August 4, 2021 by Azul

[Jype 6,398]

37 minutes ago, Strike said:

Doesn't it feel like the league is out of reach this year - with or without Lukaku? Winning the league has taken around 90 points since the Leicester 2016 win. Tuchel has made improved the team but the margins become smaller as we go closer to the top. City and Pep are league machines unfortunately.

Yeah it might be a stretch to expect an improvement from 67 points to around 90 points, but it's not totally unheard of:

- Conte improved 43 points from 15/16 to 16/17 season

- Guardiola improved 22 points from 16/17 to 17/18 season

- Klopp improved 22 points from 17/18 to 18/19 season (still didn't win the league with 97pts tho)

 

With a striker like Lukaku I'd definitely expect Tuchel to reach around 85 points, because not only would he have gotten some reinforcements to improvement the team but he also gets a full pre-season instead of having to come in mid-season and take over from the mess his predecessor left him in. Even with the same set of players I'd be very disappointed if Tuchel didn't make at least a 10 point improvement on last seasons point tally (where Lampard was in charge for half of the season), and with something like  200M spent on the market (assuming Lukaku and Kounde are signed) the improvement must be more than that. I won't berate him if he doesn't deliver the league title but if at the very least he can't get 85 points minimum he'll have failed and there's no way around that fact.

[Azul 1,615]

For those that say that Lukaku doesn't fit our system....false! For a big man, he's extremely pacy, and has very good movement. His link-up play is one a whole other level compared to the likes of Werner.

Not only that, but we play with wing-backs ffs😂 What do wing-backs usually do? They cross the ball in when given the chance, and the amount of opportunities we've had to convert a cross into a goal is absurd. Lukaku is a demon when it comes to being dominant in the box and bully defenders when it comes to converting crosses into goals.

Add the fact that Lukaku is a threat from outside the box as well, and we know how many shots outside the box we've had yet Timo/Mason/Pulisic etc couldn't even really test the goalkeeper. Lukaku is literally made for this system, and he will be surrounded by much much better players. People need to remember that we create way more chances than Inter. Hell we even create more chances than Man City under Thomas Tuchel!

For those being negative, I'm warning you.......you're going to look like a fool when the season starts😂

Edited August 4, 2021 by Azul

[Johnnyeye 7,441]

crazy money for a 28 year old Lukaku, i would rather spend it on Haaland who has age on his side.

[Azul 1,615]

1 minute ago, Johnnyeye said:

crazy money for a 28 year old Lukaku, i would rather spend it on Haaland who has age on his side.

Haaland is going to cost a 100m more if you add everything to it.

[Magic Lamps 11,653]

22 minutes ago, Azul said:

Haaland is going to cost a 100m more if you add everything to it.

Not really, Lukaku deal will be at least 160m if you add wages, agent fees, haaland maybe 220 but is 8 years yonger. easy to say which is the better deal.

Edited August 4, 2021 by Magic Lamps

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[Tomo 21,733]

13 minutes ago, Azul said:

For those being negative, I'm warning you.......you're going to look like a fool when the season starts😂

I really hope so, because that will mean the club has benefitted.

A lot of my skepticism is for two reasons, his rage quits at us before and United (compare that to how the guy in your profile picture embraced and beat his competition, night and day) and his big game record. He has a chance to somewhat silence me on the latter critic with our early games, fingers crossed he does.

[Azul 1,615]

9 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

Not really, Lukaku deal will be at least 160m if you add wages, agent fees (same agent), haaland maybe 220 but is 8 years yonger. easy to say which is the better deal.

Raiola is not Lukaku's agent anymore first of all. Chelsea don't have to pay an absurd 40m agent fees like they do for Haaland.

Lukaku's price will be 120m euro's and Haaland would've been 175m euro's as reports suggested. Add 40m agent fees onto Haaland's price and that becomes 215m euro's, not only that but Haaland has crazy wage demands that are higher than Lukakus. Which means that the Haaland deal would've neared a 100m more than the Lukaku deal. 

I get that Haaland was the better prospect and that he's younger, but to think that he'd stay for a very long time at Chelsea is gullible. However the upside to that would've been his resale value. I personally think that Chelsea were just not ready to spend such a huge amount since they're looking at other positions to sign players.

Edited August 4, 2021 by Azul

[Azul 1,615]

3 minutes ago, Tomo said:

I really hope so, because that will mean the club has benefitted.

A lot of my skepticism is for two reasons, his rage quits at us before and United (compare that to how the guy in your profile picture embraced and beat his competition, night and day) and his big game record. He has a chance to somewhat silence me on the latter critic with our early games, fingers crossed he does.

Trust me, he's not the same player he once was. This guy has become something else under Conte.

Edited August 4, 2021 by Azul

[Johnnyeye 7,441]

I will be happy if Lukaku works out for us in the end, i do have my reservations regarding this deal, but i hope i’m proven wrong.

[Jype 6,398]

3 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

Not really, Lukaku deal will be at least 160m if you add wages, agent fees (same agent), haaland maybe 220 but is 8 years yonger. easy to say which is the better deal.

They don't have the same agent though.

In 2017 when Lukaku moved to Man Utd he was still represented by Raiola but in 2018 he fired Mino due to some arguments, rumored to be regarding the move from Everton to Man Utd when Lukaku in fact would have preferred to join Chelsea even then. Nowadays his agent is Federico Pastorello, who also represents Malang Sarr and is said to have a good relationship with Chelsea.

Pastorello will surely get a fee out of it as well, but nothing is suggesting he would get anywhere close to Raiola money. Raiola is notorious for brokering deals where he gets a big chunk of the pie, but most agents are not like that and while there are still agent fees involved they're nowhere near the same. And in Haaland's case his dad must be paid too for some absurd reason.

Let's say the transfer fee for Haaland was 50M more and agent fees a minimum of 30M more. That is already a huge amount of money, and if it's true (latest Matt Law article) that Lukaku would earn around £250K/wk at the club, then his wages should be a lot 'cheaper' too. Lukaku at £250K would of course still be among the top earners at the club but he wouldn't break the wage structure in place. Haaland was rumored to be after at least £400K/wk which would have immediately made him the club's top earner, not only costing tens of millions more in wages but also surely affecting other players wage demands too. We've already seen at Man Utd how breaking the wage structure can have a negative effect, and how after Alexis Sanchez transfer they were forced to hand out ridiculous contracts to all key players (Rashford, Martial, DDG the main ones) when the time came to extend them.

Like I've said before many times, I'd have loved Haaland at the club but clearly it just wasn't meant to be. And to the people saying he's a longer term option you're just fooling yourselves, because the player and Raiola will surely have an exit plan ready for 2-3 years if the team doesn't deliver him all trophies. Whether it's a release clause few years down the line or just a good old transfer request and going on strike, Haaland would never stay at the club for ~10 years like his age would suggest is possible.

[Razer Sharp 4]

Man for some reason this transfer feels so underwhelming 130M is just ridiculous money for a player nearing 30 years old with a dodgy record in big games whilst also moving the in form Havertz away from the central spot. Also hope we can still make a few more signings Tchouameni would be a good one