Chelsea Transfers

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Ironically a couple of reports in France have cropped up today that we've been in touch with Camavinga's agent to register an interest.

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1 hour ago, Hermione said:

Well talking about opportunities to strengthen Camavinga is there for 30-40 millions while we're insistently trying to sign a worse and more expensive player in Rice, it doesn't matter if were trying if we're continuously looking in the wrong place.

no, only around £25m (€30m)

which is what is really killing me 🤬

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24 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

Ironically a couple of reports in France have cropped up today that we've been in touch with Camavinga's agent to register an interest.

Camavinga will be a great sign but do we need him as we have Gilmore tbh he is on loan.

[Strike 7,478]

Jorginho, Kova, Kante (minutes managed - starts less vs small teams, starts all important/knockout games) are great midfield options.

There is Gilmour to consider since he will likely be pushing for a place in the squad in 2022. I don't see how an 18 year old Camavinga makes sense for us. If anything, a solid screening CDM like Ndidi makes more sense.

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Team needs a DM more than any other midfield type. 

Edited July 5, 2021 by MoroccanBlue

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1 hour ago, Tomo said:

Is he actually a much better player or is this another "Regullion and Telles are better than Chilwell" type thing?

Fyi I don't want Rice here but all these Tom, Dick and Harry's that are supposedly better than him screams a more going for the exotic name thing.

Rice okay but are the links to Rom really all that strong? Certainly not compared to when Conte was here anyway.

Furthermore you never know which player's going under the radar now will be a player to have a major breakthrough season who would be a perfect fit for us next year, case in point Diego Costa went from a nobody in 2013 to the answer to all our prayers 12 months later, Alison went from a backup keeper to the most in demand keeper in the world in a year (not that we need a new number one keeper anytime soon).

Yeah, there is always a case for waiting another year - There are talents that crop up every year but most football fans don't acknowledge this. The opportunity to sign Thiago Silva came up last year for example.

Lot more relaxed about the lack of activity this time than in 2015 or 17. This squad is filled with talented players across the pitch who are also mostly hardworkers off the ball. Tuchel's plan of adding 2-3 starters sounds good but if the right option in attack isn't available/too expensive, I am fine waiting this out and doing a year with Havertz as the false 9 than spend loads on Belotti or Andre Silva. 

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50 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

Maybe he is the second coming and over time it could be a great signing but from what I've seen so far of him Camavinga's reputation seems to be bigger than what he's actually accomplished. Renato Sanches is another who seems to be lauded as this great player but I just don't see it.

Maybe they're really good players in Fifa or Football Manager and that's why they get more love then I think they deserve at this stage.

I'm not completely sold on Rice. I do think he's better then some people give him credit for and as a defensive midfield option and a bit of muscle and size into the midfield I think we could do a lot worse. However I'm yet to be convinced his ability on the ball is up to scratch to play at the highest level and the price West Ham will ask for is astronomical. Having said that our transfer activity since the 2017 debacle has been very good, Kepa aside, and I can only be confident that whomever we target, we can continue this trend.

you are really going to get all 'NO, waste of money' over around £25m?

Rice is likely FOUR TIMES that.

The lad has true WC potential. Have you watched him? I have, extensively for the past 2 years. He was extreme athleticism, can drive the ball forward, tackle, pass, a motor that runs for 90 straight minutes if need be, etc. He also is a hybrid, can play CMF or DMF.

 

as for Renato Sanches, helllllll no

I have seen very few suggest we buy him

never buy players off Euros or WC performances, that will fuck you in the batty (and no chocolates before or after) most every time (exhibit A for us, Bats)

 

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Maybe they're really good players in Fifa or Football Manager

 

this is a massive pet peeve of mine

when people try and slag off others by insinuating they are FM or FIFA console jockeys

I know it is not directed at me in particular THIS time, but when I first joined it was all the time (it soon stopped, thank fuck), and I have NEVER, ever once played either

computer games are a ridiculous way to scout players, and I doubt anyone on here that is a regular is so utterly braindead to think it is a valid method

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Achraf Hakimi flying to Paris with his agent. Done deal, contract until June 2026 with Paris Saint-Germain and here-we-go confirmed  #PSG Exclusive pic by @CLMerlo

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just move on : \ 

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Just now, Mário César said:

just move on : \ 

well, it is truly conformed now

only thing left is the obligatory new kit pic

might as well draw a line under it

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5 minutes ago, Vesper said:

you are really going to get all 'NO, waste of money' over around £25m?

Rice is likely FOUR TIMES that.

The lad has true WC potential. Have you watched him? I have, extensively for the past 2 years. He was extreme athleticism, can drive the ball forward, tackle, pass, a motor that runs for 90 straight minutes if need be, etc. He also is a hybrid, can play CMF or DMF.

 

as for Renato Sanches, helllllll no

I have seen very few suggest we buy him

never buy players off Euros or WC performances, that will fuck you in the batty (and no chocolates before or after) most every time (exhibit A for us, Bats)

 

finally

this is a massive pet peeve of mine

when people try and slag off others by insinuating they are FM or FIFA console jockeys

I know it is not directed at me in particular THIS time, but when I first joined it was all the time (it soon stopped, thank fuck), and I have NEVER, ever once played either

computer games are a ridiculous way to scout players, and I doubt anyone on here that is a regular is so utterly braindead to think it is a valid method

No it's not aimed at anyone in particular, it's based on that I've watched Camavinga a few times (probably not nearly as much as you) and I've not been impressed. He looks ok but hasn't stood out as this fantastic player that I keep hearing he is. 

The hybrid comment worries me a little too because when I've seen him I can't work out what he is because as you said he does have a bit of everything but I don't think he particularly excels in anything (not yet anyway). He doesn't look like he'd be disciplined enough to play a defensive midfield role at the top level, for me that will take a lot of time and patience to be worked on. 

I could be completely wrong but he doesn't look like the player United need to complement Pogba and Bruno.

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32 minutes ago, Strike said:

Yeah, there is always a case for waiting another year - There are talents that crop up every year but most football fans don't acknowledge this. The opportunity to sign Thiago Silva came up last year for example.

Lot more relaxed about the lack of activity this time than in 2015 or 17. This squad is filled with talented players across the pitch who are also mostly hardworkers off the ball. Tuchel's plan of adding 2-3 starters sounds good but if the right option in attack isn't available/too expensive, I am fine waiting this out and doing a year with Havertz as the false 9 than spend loads on Belotti or Andre Silva. 

Speaking of which, imagine if we signed a past his best Rooney in 2013 therefore blocking the route to sign Costa a year after?

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4 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Speaking of which, imagine if we signed a past his best Rooney in 2013 therefore blocking the route to sign Costa a year after?

Good one. Unlike in 2011 when we did sign Torres and blocked the route to sign Aguero in the summer

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I’ve been thinking lately that it may be best to target a top class playmaking midfielder if we miss out on every striker target which looks more and more likely.

We have Jorginho who is the deep lying recycler, we have Kante who is the all rounder who hunts down the ball and springs attacks, and we have Kova who is brilliant at receiving the ball in small spaces and carrying it forward (and then having no clue what to do with it in the final third).

What we don’t have is a central midfielder who can consistently pick out world class passes and through balls. A Pogba/De Bruyne/Bruno Penandes/Fabregas sort of player.

Maybe with that sort of player we can get away with Havertz and Werner as our main strikers for a season.

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19 hours ago, King Kante said:

If we can get Håland and sort out a more offensive CM, I am pretty confident about our chances. If you look at City, they're starting to age out. I mean, look at the ages of the side at the start of next season: 

KdB - 31 (maybe not an issue with his play style but he has never been quick and always looked a little 'chunky')

Gundogan - 31 (bad knees)

Kane - 29 (bad ankles) 

Walker - 32 (relies on speed)

Fernandinho - 38

Mahrez - 31 (relies somewhat on speed)

Then you have some of their speed merchant players pushing for 30 during that season: 

Sterling 28

Cancelo 28

For me, City are a great side but they're not far off a overhaul. One thing the do have however is probably the best group of CB's and GK's in Europe that are still young + Zinchenko (although he seems to split opinion.) 

I feel like the biggest problem with facing City is Guardiola. Given the financial power that City have, I doubt they'll ever have much problem, if any at all, replacing players if they want to. But with Guardiola, it's a different case altogether.

Since he became manager in 2008, he has failed to win a league title only three times. Yes, he has managed some of the biggest clubs in the world and has been able to get the best players around but the consistency that he has been able to get out of his teams is stupid and bonkers. Look at the points total his teams won in their title winning seasons - 87, 99, 96, 90, 79, 88, 100, 98, 86. He did get only 79 points in one of those seasons but 3 of the losses then came after winning the league and also worth remembering that the Bundesliga have 4 less games than in La Liga and the Premier League. Even when he has failed to win the league, the points tally is still reasonably high/high - 91, 78, 81. For context/comparison, we have not gotten more than Guardiola's lowest league points tally of 78 in 8 of the last 11 league seasons. Plus, the two seasons that Guardiola failed to win the Premier League were partly due him to adjusting to the league in 2016/17 and the team having a sudden meltdown in 2019/20 or aka others need to go on a crazy/silly winning run to win it or even stand a chance, like we and Liverpool did. So, the quicker Guardiola leaves City, the better really. It's also silly to see mostly one team dominate the domestic cup competitions, especially the League Cup.